Hate Crime :Gay Bashing

[hoopskidoodle]

Originally Posted by MadameX

The gates from City of Trollsville have opened and are waving a rainbow flag courtesy of the latest plethora of Trolls on thread .

Is this directed at me? Oh, I'm a troll because I'm not a raving lunatic willing to summarily execute any gay man who winks at me? I'm sorry, but I have that which is called respect for the civil liberties of all people. You, on the other hand, sound just like a racist cracka, circa 1950, screaming about the the great peril of n*ggers and n*gger-lovers.

[MadameX]

[sonflour_2001]

Originally Posted by lizaa

A black man ,Dwan Prince was taking out some trash at 9325 King's Highway in Brooklyn, New York-when three crips members came walking by

.One of the crips member ,Steven Pomie was looking at him and asked him[Dwan Prince] what was he looking at.According to Pomie, Dwan answered him flirtatously [sp] which led Pomie to beating and stomping him with another crip meanwhile the third crip just watched.

This attack left Dwan Prince in a coma ,just recently coming out of the coma ,he is paralyzed with no use of his left arm and left leg.Still hospitalized.

Steven Pomie was arrested last week , charged with attempted murder and assault as a hate crime.Pomie faces up to 25 years in prison,the other man is still at large.

*For further information follow the link.Crime File - NY Daily News

Okay. According to the info in this article it seems as if the crip, Pomie, instigated the altercation verbally from the beginning. (Not to mention the fact that the article indicates that Pomie was looking at Prince from the start.) To me it seems as if this was an dude looking for a fight.

Now the stupidity on Prince's part had nothing to do with his homosexuality and everything to do with him provoking an already seemingly angry person further.
I'm willing to bet that if homosexuality wasn't involved in this altercation, the man still would have gotten his *** beat b/c Pomie seemed to be ready for an altercation. Prince's mention of his sexual orientation was simply icing on the cake and seemingly peripheral to this altercation. I think the only possible way Prince could have gotten out of this situation was to try and placate his aggressor, and we all know that doesn't work all the time.

That being said, violence is never acceptable to me and should be avoided at all times. Having someone approach you of the same sex should not be enough of a catalyst to make you go ape **** on someone. A simple "I'm not interested," or a "that's not my thing" would suffice. And if they persist you can simply walk away.

To me I'm always a bit suspicious of people who are violently homophobic. These people seem to find it threatening. However, if you have no problems with your sexuality it shouldn't invoke such fight or flight instincts in you.
I, myself, can be around homosexuals...and have them hit on me night and day. I will still love men. Point blank. Women simply do not arouse me or interest me. That's simply the way I was born. Since that cannot be touched or changed in any way I'm comfortable around whoever.

But getting back to the subject, the aggressor in this situation was in no way justified for what he did. There's no argument that would convince me otherwise, and I'm sure what he did to that man will come back to him.

BTW I'm not sure why people have linked homosexuality to deviant behaviors such as pedophilia or beastiality, or rape. It simply makes no sense to me, because these deviant behaviors are linked to an abuse or exploitation of individuals or creatures who haven't or aren't able to give consent. (i.e. children being taken advantage of, or animals unable to give permission.)
Not to mention that you have to have many psychological problems to wish to engage these groups in sexual activity in spite of them not being able to meet you at an adult level of interaction. (Something's just wrong there... )
However, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. I just don't get the correlation.

Dee

[ardamus]

Originally Posted by sonflour_2001

Okay. According to the info in this article it seems as if the crip, Pomie, instigated the altercation verbally from the beginning. (Not to mention the fact that the article indicates that Pomie was looking at Prince from the start.) To me it seems as if this was an dude looking for a fight.

Now the stupidity on Prince's part had nothing to do with his homosexuality and everything to do with him provoking an already seemingly angry person further.
I'm willing to bet that if homosexuality wasn't involved in this altercation, the man still would have gotten his *** beat b/c Pomie seemed to be ready for an altercation. Prince's mention of his sexual orientation was simply icing on the cake and seemingly peripheral to this altercation. I think the only possible way Prince could have gotten out of this situation was to try and placate his aggressor, and we all know that doesn't work all the time.

That being said, violence is never acceptable to me and should be avoided at all times. Having someone approach you of the same sex should not be enough of a catalyst to make you go ape **** on someone. A simple "I'm not interested," or a "that's not my thing" would suffice. And if they persist you can simply walk away.

To me I'm always a bit suspicious of people who are violently homophobic. These people seem to find it threatening. However, if you have no problems with your sexuality it shouldn't invoke such fight or flight instincts in you.
I, myself, can be around homosexuals...and have them hit on me night and day. I will still love men. Point blank. Women simply do not arouse me or interest me. That's simply the way I was born. Since that cannot be touched or changed in any way I'm comfortable around whoever.

But getting back to the subject, the aggressor in this situation was in no way justified for what he did. There's no argument that would convince me otherwise, and I'm sure what he did to that man will come back to him.

BTW I'm not sure why people have linked homosexuality to deviant behaviors such as pedophilia or beastiality, or rape. It simply makes no sense to me, because these deviant behaviors are linked to an abuse or exploitation of individuals or creatures who haven't or aren't able to give consent. (i.e. children being taken advantage of, or animals unable to give permission.)
Not to mention that you have to have many psychological problems to wish to engage these groups in sexual activity in spite of them not being able to meet you at an adult level of interaction. (Something's just wrong there... )
However, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. I just don't get the correlation.

Dee

There is definitely no justification for what the attacker did. But honestly, that guy should've been careful. You never know what can happen responding to someone of your same-sex in a flirtatious manner.

[sonflour_2001]

Originally Posted by ardamus

There is definitely no justification for what the attacker did. But honestly, that guy should've been careful. You never know what can happen responding to someone of your same-sex in a flirtatious manner.

Yeah, I agree. But I am of the opinion that he was gonna get it regardless. He was tragically in the wrong place at the wrong time and if someone has it in their minds that they are going to fight, there is really nothing you can do about it. Albeit trying to respond defiantly to aggression with homosexual innuendos probably isn't the best course of action.
The man probably was trying not to go out like a punk (absolutely no pun intended) and paid the price for standing up for himself.
This situation just has WRONG and TRAGEDY stamped all over it.

Dee

[SistaJosie79]

Originally Posted by sonflour_2001

BTW I'm not sure why people have linked homosexuality to deviant behaviors such as pedophilia or beastiality, or rape. It simply makes no sense to me

However, homosexuality is between two consenting adults. I just don't get the correlation.

Dee

What part of *Leviticus 20:13* is **foreign** to you?

If there is a man who lieth with a male as those who lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; A detestable act. They shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

Are *you* a **better** judge of *morality* than your Creator?

Sista Josie Has**Spoken!!!!**

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

What part of *Leviticus 20:13* is **foreign** to you?

If there is a man who lieth with a male as those who lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; A detestable act. They shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

Are *you* a **better** judge of *morality* than your Creator?

Enough Said.

[sonflour_2001]

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

What part of *Leviticus 20:13* is **foreign** to you?

If there is a man who lieth with a male as those who lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; A detestable act. They shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

Are *you* a **better** judge of *morality* than your Creator?

First of all, while I do consider myself Christian and I love God, there are a lot of things in the holy text that I find fault with.
It's a subjective matter of my own dealings with my faith. Thus, throwing scriptures at the matter isn't simply going to cut it.

Also analyzing that scripture in it's cultural context might help to illuminate why it was so important in those ancient days.

The early Jewish nations were a diasporic community who had just gotten out of slavery from Egypt. They were broken, downtrodden, oppressed and divided on many issues. Not to mention their population was endangered.
Any anthropologist will tell you that back in ancient times, population was of the utmost importance in survival and the surviving tribes of Israel were dwindling in numbers after their escape from Egypt. Population is so important because you need a sufficient number of people to farm and provide sustenance for the community. Once you have a good number of people farming you can produce surplus which helps to alleviate the immediate danger of starving and the need for future food. Surplus also allows some people to stop farming and devote their efforts to other skills such as artistry, government, philosophy, and protection (i.e. army infantry to protect your budding civilization).
What does all of this have to do with homosexuality? Well we just mentioned how important population is. What's the one thing that could compromise having a large population which is an imperative part of survival? Homosexuality.

Laws against homosexuality were probably included in early Judaic law because homosexual relationships were a danger to the early development of the Jewish community. In their situation they needed every able-bodied man and woman to procreate to ensure the continual survival and flourishing of their population.

Well gee...how do you stop homosexuality? You include it in a heavenly mandate.

Obviously we don't really need to be worried with population concerns as much today, because the world is overpopulated anyway.
That's where I stand on the homosexuality issue currently: it was considered dangerous because it wasn’t conducive to procreation.
Besides that, I don't think it's a good idea to blindly follow everything in a text that took years of arguments and fighting and revision to make. The Bible didn’t come as a whole like many Christians think it did.

I love God and I think God is infalliable. Humans on the other hand...not so much.

Much love to ya.

Dee

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Soulja4Life

For example if they know the person is straight and not interested in them then they shouldn't even bother them.
But some do it anyway and that's the reason they get beat.

Exactly. If the person is not feeling you then, keep your freak to yourself. Case Closed.

[ardamus]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Exactly. If the person is not feeling you then, keep your freak to yourself. Case Closed.

Exactly. Because I know too many people who slap the daylights out of someone of the same-sex hitting on them. I'm somewhat the same way. The only rule I have about all that is DO NOT TOUCH ME. I'll tell you I don't roll like that so take that and leave.

Or else there'll be trouble.....trouble......trouble.....