Hate Crime :Gay Bashing

[MzKwietStorm]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Ok, I'm not about to debate you and your opinions about your loved ones. Thats' just asking for trouble. I'll just stick to the facts:

- It is a behavior. And like any other behavior, it is learned.
- There is no widely accepted scientific evidence or theory to support this assertion. And if there were, we would have to also conclude that people don't really evolve in terms of behavior, we are simply born the way we are. That would be ridiculous.
- Our bodies have very distinct functions at birth/origin. There is irrefutable evidence as to why we have single reproductive organs. God doesn't creat the body and it's organs for the purpose of another.

So there you go.

I'm not trying to make anybody believe that people are born gay. I'm just stating an experience that I went through that could POSSIBLY show that SOME are born gay. Had I not grew up with my cousin, people being born gay would've sounded ridiculous to me because I believe it is a choice. But I also got to see a different side and while it didn't change my opinion entirely, it gave me something else to think about. I'm like you and everybody else, I don't think people are born gay (except my cousin) but I am open to the possibilty that it is possible (not saying that anyone else isn't) and that's why I shared my experience.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Precisely. The black collective needs to quit this love affair with faith-based thinking and the subjective. We seem to hate objective, logical and scientific reasoning.

From how we look at morality, to the black leaders we choose to support; we, as a whole seem to abandon logical and empirical reasoning.

Agreed. Our people need to take off them shackles. Don't let the slave mentality blind your thinking. It's no mistake that Judea Christian and Islam are based on the Old Testament. The truth lies in the comprehension of the Pan African Diaspora as it relates to basis of World Religion. Those who don't learn history will repeat. The time is now.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

I'm not trying to make anybody believe that people are born gay. I'm just stating an experience that I went through that could POSSIBLY show that SOME are born gay. Had I not grew up with my cousin, people being born gay would've sounded ridiculous to me because I believe it is a choice. But I also got to see a different side and while it didn't change my opinion entirely, it gave me something else to think about. I'm like you and everybody else, I don't think people are born gay (except my cousin) but I am open to the possibilty that it is possible (not saying that anyone else isn't) and that's why I shared my experience.

No, you are NOT like me because if you were, you wouldn't find it possible to even entertain the ridiculous and unproven notion that people are born gay. All you have to do is stuy physiology and psychology fundamentals and you would see things alot more objectively.

[MzKwietStorm]

Originally Posted by DBlack

No, you are NOT like me because if you were, you wouldn't find it possible to even entertain the ridiculous and unproven notion that people are born gay. All you have to do is stuy physiology and psychology fundamentals and you would see things alot more objectively.

The fact that I'm entertaining a possiblity in science is not ridiculous. I suppose it's ridiculous for me to believe that they will find a cure for AIDS (or that one already exists) because we're told that there is no cure for AIDS? It's science, they make breakthroughs everyday. Here is just a little information I found on homosexuality being innate. For every article that says people aren't born gay, there's an article that will argue that or state something else. This is one article I found.

Source: ARE SOME PEOPLE BORN GAY?

Are some people born gay?
By Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard
Science is rapidly converging on the conclusion that sexual orientation is innate. It has found that homosexuals often act differently from heterosexuals in early childhood, before they have even heard of sex. A recent study by Simon LeVay, a neurobiologist at the Salk Institute, reported a difference in the hypothalamus, a part of the brain that develops at a young age, between homosexual and heterosexual men. If true, a biological explanation is good news for homosexuals and their advocates.

Our own research has shown that male sexual orientation is substantially genetic. Over the last two years, we have studied the rates of homosexuality in identical and non-identical twin brothers of gay men, as well as adoptive brothers of gay men. Fifty-two percent of the identical twin brothers were gay, as against 22 percent of non-identical twins and 11 percent of the adoptive, genetically unrelated brothers.

In contrast, research on social factors has been fruitless. [:-)...rjw] Despite many attempts, there has been no clear demonstration that parental behavior, even a parent's homosexuality, affects children's sexual orientation. Cultures tolerant of homosexuals do not appear to raise more of them than do less permissive societies.

Homophobes sometimes justify their prejudice against homosexuals by alleging that homosexuality is contagious -- that young homosexuals become that way because of older homosexuals and that homosexuality is a social corruption. Such beliefs form the core of the organized anti-homosexual movement. If homosexuality is largely innate, this would prove that these claims are groundless.

Given these implications, it may seem surprising that the biological studies disturb many gay and lesbian advocates. Misunderstanding them, the advocates often suggest that the search for a biological cause is motivated by an assumption that homosexuality is an illness. Behavioral scientists, however, have long searched for biological underpinnings of traits such as extraversion and intelligence, which no one considers to be negative. Furthermore, a biological explanation of homosexuality simultaneously explains heterosexuality.

This leads to a more pertinent fear of gays and lesbians, that people will assume that answers to moral questions hinge on the results of scientific study. Should a benevolent view of homosexuality depend on the assumption that it is innate? Are gays and lesbians to be tolerated only if they are "born that way"?

Regardless of what causes sexual orientation, there is no plausible justification for oppressing homosexuals. Reasons that have long been offered -- that homosexuals disproportionately molest children, convert heterosexuals to homsexuality, are mentally ill, betray their country -- have been shown to be false.

But homophobia remains the one form of bigotry that respectable people can express in public. If the long-overdue national debate on homosexuality took place, the poverty of the anti-homosexual case would become readily apparent.

If scientific study of the origins of sexual orientation would not directly resolve the public issue, why do it?

First, in can inform public debate. But equally important is the value of discovery, particularly self-discovery. A gay man with a heterosexual identical twin, both of whom we studied, put it this way: "I accepted being gay years ago, so that's not why I want to know. But sexual orientation is such an important part of my life -- anyone's life -- that I'm still curious why I turned out gay and my brother straight." How could anyone not be curious?

Michael Bailey is assistant professor of psychology at Northwestern University. Richard Pillard is associate professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine.

[Chinky]

I am still confused as to what purpose the beatdown served?

If we are going by the Bible and saying homosexuality is an abomination and should not be tolerated or accepted...well, so is murder (which is what the gang banger came REAL close to commiting). So I am confused as to which is the lesser evil.

What happened to love thy brother?

Prince most certainly didnt deserve that beatdown...let his Creator judge him on Judgment Day. Why must we take matters into our own hands ultimately making things worse? So, now instead of having a brother who is gay and unable to procreate due to his sexuality...we have two brothers who are unable to procreate...the homosexual and the gang banger who is most certainly going to spend the majority of his remaining days incarcerated.

[Istlota]

The beatdown served no purpose, other than as an outlet for heterosexuals to release their in-denial homosexual tendencies.

But, let us make sure we get our priorities straight. The following sort of heterosexual boy-on-boy love is an infinitely greater threat to humanity than anything the rest of us, gay or not, are doing to each other.




Be afraid. Be very afraid. Cause after November, these two lovebirds plan on doing to us what Bush has been doing to McCain for the past eight years ...

How much you wanna bet that McCain has his right palm on W.'s left cheek? That would explain the blissful smile on Grandpa's face ...

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Precisely. The black collective needs to quit this love affair with faith-based thinking and the subjective. We seem to hate objective, logical and scientific reasoning.

From how we look at morality, to the black leaders we choose to support; we, as a whole seem to abandon logical and empirical reasoning.

I agree, but I couldn't help noticing your side of this interesting thread presented nothing empirical, logical, or scientific. Its also interesting you invoked God and asserted his intentions in the debate.

Also what happened to the other person who was pasting research from wikipedia?

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

No, you are NOT like me because if you were, you wouldn't find it possible to even entertain the ridiculous and unproven notion that people are born gay. All you have to do is stuy physiology and psychology fundamentals and you would see things alot more objectively.

Precisely. Sexual orientation is a choice. However, when it comes down to ethnicity( the color of our skin), there's no choice because it boils down to genetic and what God designed not man.

[Shooting Star]

Beating someone just because you don't agree with their lifestyle is wrong. I personally don't agree with homosexuality, but that doesn't mean I beat on someone based on their lifestyle. I am getting so tired of this blood, crip, crap anyways. When will it stop?!

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

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And PLEASE, stop comparing homosexual discrimination to the Black Civil Rights movement, latino rights or womens rights, it's not in any way, shape or form the same.

Elegantly Stated. Brotha & Sistas are tired of being lumped into a stereotypical label which doesn't represent our struggle (minorities).