Hate Crime :Gay Bashing

[DBlack]

If you think I'm going to debate how two people have different armpit odors, you are seriously trippin...and don't deserve any serious debate as your so-called facts make a mockery of the discussion.

Your cherry picking of facts is ridiculous. For example, every emotion by ANY human being can be 'tracked' by brain activity. That's because we ALL respond differently and similarly to pleasure, pain, stress, arousal. All that is a by product of behavior, hence the term, desire leads to action. You skipped alot of classes in high school and it's not gonna get resolved here.

Again, I'm not trying to confuse intentions with purpose. A man has a penis for two very distinct purposes. Now, a man can use his penis for other reasons. In any society, such extremes of behavior is regarded as sickening. Just because you have ovaries, don't mean you have to get married and have children. But the FACT of the matter is is that ovaries are for reproduction. That is my point that destroys you ridiculous assertion that people are born gay.

Are polygamists born that way? What about child molestors? How about serial killers, gamblers, pedophiles? Why can't their situation fit your reasoning? Please explain the difference between one that desire to have sex with his own sibling versus another man? By your logic, all of these are the same.

What about the simple fact of why men have penises and women have vaginas? You never did respond to that simple evolutionary fact.

This is a tired debate. Homosexuals need to stop trying to convince the world to accept their unacceptable choices. If they are proud of who they are, so be it. But decent civilization should not have to forsake morality and common sense so that fags can feel good about their issues.

And PLEASE, stop comparing homosexual discrimination to the Black Civil Rights movement, latino rights or womens rights, it's not in any way, shape or form the same.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

Regardless of what any scientist or doctor says, I watched my little cousin grow up and even when he was smaller, I noticed homosexual tendencies. Now, I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to go out and "research" this because there are going to be arguments on both sides, so I won't believe it. What I will believe, is what I saw with my two eyes for the course of 10 years. I'm not going to say thay people are born gay and I'm not going to say people choose to be gay, but I am going to say that based on what I've observed, it's a mixture of both. I watched my cousin since the day he was born and I've witnessed friends, scorned by men switch over to the other side. I can't say how all homosexuals in the world became homosexuals, but I will keep an open mind because science makes breakthroughs everyday.

Do you choose to be a heterosexual?

Children do alot of things and don't know why they do them. They aren't capable of understanding many of their actions. My son plays with his big sister and he occasionally plays with her pink teddy bears. That doesn't mean he has homosexual tendencies. Give me a break.

Everything you do in life is by choice and consequence. PERIOD.

[afrocentric]

let ms. wanda tell you how she feels about it. Wanda's View....

[amd1588]

Black peoples own prejudices are one of the reason's we as a community is getting no where fast. We have to cut out the ignorance, which is deeply rooted in personal prejudice.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by amd1588

Black peoples own prejudices are one of the reason's we as a community is getting no where fast. We have to cut out the ignorance, which is deeply rooted in personal prejudice.

what does this have to do with the subject of this thread?

[MzKwietStorm]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Do you choose to be a heterosexual?

Children do alot of things and don't know why they do them. They aren't capable of understanding many of their actions. My son plays with his big sister and he occasionally plays with her pink teddy bears. That doesn't mean he has homosexual tendencies. Give me a break.

Everything you do in life is by choice and consequence. PERIOD.

Yes, CHILDREN do alot of things and don't know why they do them, but I was there the entire time. The fact that your son plays with his big sister or a pink teddy bear does not exhibit "homosexual tendencies", but when a 9 or 10 year old goes into his mother's room and makes up his face (better than she can make her own face), polishes his nails and toenails, puts on a wig, and puts on her underwear and bra, there's a problem. This is one of many incidents from the time he turned 5 or 6 and each time it got worse. His mom was very STRICT when it came to homosexuality with him and I've watched her beat him many times from 11 and older, trying to "beat it out of him." She did not want to believe that her son way gay. As I stated, I'm no scientist, but based on what 've seen and lived with, I honestly believe that my cousin, was born gay.
I don't believe he choose to be this way. He would cry to me all the time because he could see how much his being gay hurt his mother and he could not understand why he was the way he was. For a long time he went into a state of depression and he tried to kill himself. When Nicole (his mom) saw him like that, she realized that she had to accept the fact that her son was gay and no amount of beatings could change that. He and his mother are fine now. He's done modeling, fashion shows, numerous dance contests, and he started Howard University last year. I'm proud of him for staying true to himself, despite everything he's been through.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

Regardless of what any scientist or doctor says, I watched my little cousin grow up and even when he was smaller, I noticed homosexual tendencies. Now, I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to go out and "research" this because there are going to be arguments on both sides, so I won't believe it. What I will believe, is what I saw with my two eyes for the course of 10 years. I'm not going to say thay people are born gay and I'm not going to say people choose to be gay, but I am going to say that based on what I've observed, it's a mixture of both. I watched my cousin since the day he was born and I've witnessed friends, scorned by men switch over to the other side. I can't say how all homosexuals in the world became homosexuals, but I will keep an open mind because science makes breakthroughs everyday.

Your cousin was showing feminine qualities which does not automatically make one "gay." Enviornment certainly influences this and so does your choice which is the bottom line.

Is there a scientific explanation why someone would "choose" to become gay? I doubt it but inviornment, childhood experiences, and other influences play a pivotal part.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

Yes, CHILDREN do alot of things and don't know why they do them, but I was there the entire time. The fact that your son plays with his big sister or a pink teddy bear does not exhibit "homosexual tendencies", but when a 9 or 10 year old goes into his mother's room and makes up his face (better than she can make her own face), polishes his nails and toenails, puts on a wig, and puts on her underwear and bra, there's a problem. This is one of many incidents from the time he turned 5 or 6 and each time it got worse. His mom was very STRICT when it came to homosexuality with him and I've watched her beat him many times from 11 and older, trying to "beat it out of him." She did not want to believe that her son way gay. As I stated, I'm no scientist, but based on what 've seen and lived with, I honestly believe that my cousin, was born gay.
I don't believe he choose to be this way. He would cry to me all the time because he could see how much his being gay hurt his mother and he could not understand why he was the way he was. For a long time he went into a state of depression and he tried to kill himself. When Nicole (his mom) saw him like that, she realized that she had to accept the fact that her son was gay and no amount of beatings could change that. He and his mother are fine now. He's done modeling, fashion shows, numerous dance contests, and he started Howard University last year. I'm proud of him for staying true to himself, despite everything he's been through.

Ok, I'm not about to debate you and your opinions about your loved ones. Thats' just asking for trouble. I'll just stick to the facts:

- It is a behavior. And like any other behavior, it is learned.
- There is no widely accepted scientific evidence or theory to support this assertion. And if there were, we would have to also conclude that people don't really evolve in terms of behavior, we are simply born the way we are. That would be ridiculous.
- Our bodies have very distinct functions at birth/origin. There is irrefutable evidence as to why we have single reproductive organs. God doesn't creat the body and it's organs for the purpose of another.

So there you go.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Your cousin was showing feminine qualities which does not automatically make one "gay." Enviornment certainly influences this and so does your choice which is the bottom line.

Is there a scientific explanation why someone would "choose" to become gay? I doubt it but inviornment, childhood experiences, and other influences play a pivotal part.

Precisely. The black collective needs to quit this love affair with faith-based thinking and the subjective. We seem to hate objective, logical and scientific reasoning.

From how we look at morality, to the black leaders we choose to support; we, as a whole seem to abandon logical and empirical reasoning.

[MzKwietStorm]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Your cousin was showing feminine qualities which does not automatically make one "gay." Enviornment certainly influences this and so does your choice which is the bottom line.

Is there a scientific explanation why someone would "choose" to become gay? I doubt it but inviornment, childhood experiences, and other influences play a pivotal part.

I did not say it makes him "automatically gay." I said this was the behavior I noticed when he was growing up. Why would he choose to cause his family all of this pain just to be with someone of the same sex? This is something he tried to KILL HIMSELF over and that goes far beyond a "learned behavior." Either way, I know what I saw and what he went through and IMO, he was born gay and I'm gon leave it at that.