"Im tired of spending my tax dollars on lil crumb snatchers"

[Isis7]

LONE WOLF...

I DO care about babies which is why I cram to understand why someone like yourself would put your measly 1% above them. Even after I pointed out to you how your tax dollars are spent you STILL would rather them be spent on crooked cops and old white people then starving kids... REGARDLESS of how they got that way in the first place. We know there are broken homes in this society and we KNOW that their is bad parenting or whatever else you want to point fingers at. The fact of the matter is that regardless of ALL OF THAT, you are still a citizen of this country and as a citizen you are responsible for paying your dues. But you want to moan and complain about Black babies and what they eat LOL

Welfare isnt GOING ANYWHERE and you pay PENNIES for it in comparison to everything else your taxes go to pay for, maybe you should think about that the next time you decide to point fingers and lay blame.

You say that NOW you'll have a plan when you bring babies into this world and you wont NEED welfare, well guess what... ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN and Karma is a B***. Learn how to be humble and accept the fact that people can HAVE PLANS and those plans can FAIL.

Im focusing on self-righteous, selfish do-gooders with no humble bone in their bodies who judge and generalize based on assinine assumptions.

If the shoe fits... rock it!

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Wow. You are really emotional about this issue, so I'm just going to let it die after this post.

I know full well I have no say so where the tax money goes. I haven't given it much thought since you started this thread, basically DARING people to challenge you talking about you're going to "snap".

Please.

Anyway, I didn't say I'd let babies starve. But knowing full well that I don't know all the babies, can't save all the babies...I find it futile to waste time thinking about it. I like babies, probably not as much as you apparently, but to me this is really more about WHY these babies are "starving".

The biggest reason is irresponsiblity. I mean, sure, we don't know why a woman (or a man) is a single parent and needs welfare. But the truth is, if a person dies and leaves the other person with kids and they need welfare after that, they were screwed to begin with. We all know it takes TWO incomes to run a household nowadays, so it's really irresponsible to not have it. My father died when I was a kid and we had little to no money after his medical bills. He left us with quite a bit of debt, so you know what we did? My mom got a job, two of them. Her "babies" didn't starve, and we did it without welfare.

Again, I don't have a problem with welfare or public assistance. I have a problem with the lack of responsibilty that leads to it.

If babies are starving somewhere, then it has more to do with their parents not having it together than it does me and my so-called "selfish", "backwards", and "asinine" point of view. Rest assured, if I ever have kids they most certainly will not starve and we will not need to be on welfare. It's called being responsible and having a plan.

You might have an easier time if you focused less on what other people should be doing and just did it yourself.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be your enemy or argue with you, so I'll leave this thread in peace. Have a good day.

[Phatkatt_76]

If the shoe fits... rock it!






it's rocked

[Isis7]

Lord forbid Phattkat you should ever falter and need some kind of assistance. Because if so... you'd fall into the same category you put those "crumbsnatchers" in. Its heartless and quite republican of you to refer to BABIES as crumbsnatchers.

Why blame ANYONE??? Have you ever worked in social services? Do you know how counterproductive it is to point the finger? It is the responsibility of BLACK MEN AND WOMEN to raise the children they create, not more on one gender than the other. THAT is an excuse that gets deadbeat fathers off the hook.

You have the same irresponsible generalized views of welfare recipients too. This is hardly about your personal past and more about a bigger picture that involves GENERATIONAL POVERTY! Have you ever studied the effects of poverty on a generation? Take it from me, its MORE than just laziness, its more than just popping out "crumbsnatchers" But all you see is your flimsy 50 cents as IF you can feed a child on that alone.

Would you rather pay for cops to shoot unarmed Black men? Would you rather pay for cops to handcuff 5 year olds? Would you rather pay for cops to go looking for the "runaway bride"?? BECAUSE YOU PAY MORE FOR THESE THINGS!!!

You said yourself that anyone with children should be fighting for their own, what makes you think a single mother on welfare isnt DOING JUST THAT? See how we're so quick to judge? LOL

Originally Posted by Phatkatt_76

IT'S A MIRACLE !!! I must say, I agree. But even though we know it takes two, I blame women. We as the primary caregiver of these children need to be responsible for our own sexuality. Now, if they want a house filled with lil' crumb snatchers, then fine. I just ask that ya take care of the lil munchins, cuz I for one am tired of spending my tax dollars on them !!



YEP !!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS MY STATEMENT FROM ANOTHER THREAD !!!!!!!

And I stand behind it 110% !!!!!!!!!

First of all let me say, I'M A SINGLE PARENT, and have raised my son on my own from day one. So, I definitely know and have experienced the struggle behind doing so. BUT I can't stand excuses, not just for sistahs but this includes whites, latinos......WHOEVER B/C my statement is universal for all women. Not cuz I'm so "high & mighty" but b/c I've faced the consequence of being a so-called "know it all" . I've faced the consequence, of believing that a MAN loved me, and would eventually marry me. ( I was dead @ZZZZ wrong )

No one is complaining ! He!! I'm being realistic ! I live in Florida, and see a lot of women in general who make the sad and insecure mistake of scripting their lives around men. Only to be left to raise their children on their own, and yea, if they've experienced this and still choose to have a house filled with CRUMB SNATCHERS ( WHICH I PERSONALLY USE THAT TERM AS A JOKE ) THEN BY ALL MEANS HANDLE IT WITH UR OWN $$$$$$ !!! AT THE SAME TIME THESE VERY FEMALES, HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL THESE MEN WHO DON'T WNAT THEM SORRY, WELL NEWS FLASH, THEY WERE SORRY WHEN YA LAID DOWN WITH THEM. Charge "being played" to the game, learn from ur mistakes and take care of ur kids. WTF did they do before F-in WELFARE ?????????

This issue is not a "BLACK " issue it, to me is a FEMALE ISSUE, b/c WE'RE the ones who end up struggling and hurt. That's why my OPINION is for us to be solely responsible for our sexuality. YES it should invovle both parties, but as women we can't depend on that.

I could give a damm about how many OTHER ppl are on welfare or recieve public assistance. ANYONE WITH CHILDREN SHOULD BE FIGHTING TO HOLD THEIR OWN, AND IGNORE EXCUSES AND STEREOTYPES. If .50 of my YES hard earned money goes to individuals, who refuse to work but lean on an excuses then HE!! YEA it pissses me the F off .

[Lonewolf]

I was going to be done here, but then I read this:

"It is the responsibility of BLACK MEN AND WOMEN to raise the children they create..."

If you know this then what are we talking about here?

This is the exact same thing I said. Nobody here said they prefered paying money for crooked cops. I could do without them too. All I've been saying is the EXACT same thing you just said.

You're the only person here pointing fingers. You're so busy being self-righteous and telling other people what THEY ought to be doing you can't even see that in essence we're all saying the same thing.

Just calm down, relax, and see that fundamentally, we're all on the same page. We all love babies. We all hate crooked cops. We all think parents should be responsible.

Be at peace.

[Isis7]

I thought you were finished Lonewolf?

Of course I realize WHOS responsibility but OBVIOUSLY thats not working, 60% of our households are headed by singleparents which means that there has been a BREAKDOWN in the responsibility, WHICH MEANS that some parents may need some HELP to make ends meet which means your flimsly little tax dollars may be needed. THATS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT! Life isnt sunshine and peaches Lonewolf... some folks need public aid LOL

But you cant see that, you'd rather get defensive because thats what people do when they've been called out. Your thinking IS selfish and it IS self-righteous and you need to stop complaining about welfare recipients and your little tax dollars.

I suggest YOU calm down and relax and take that silver spoon out of your mouth and find some humility.

You dont want to pay for hungry babies so dont, stop working and pay no more taxes.

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I was going to be done here, but then I read this:

"It is the responsibility of BLACK MEN AND WOMEN to raise the children they create..."

If you know this then what are we talking about here?

This is the exact same thing I said. Nobody here said they prefered paying money for crooked cops. I could do without them too. All I've been saying is the EXACT same thing you just said.

You're the only person here pointing fingers. You're so busy being self-righteous and telling other people what THEY ought to be doing you can't even see that in essence we're all saying the same thing.

Just calm down, relax, and see that fundamentally, we're all on the same page. We all love babies. We all hate crooked cops. We all think parents should be responsible.

Be at peace.

[Phatkatt_76]

Originally Posted by Isis7

Lord forbid Phattkat you should ever falter and need some kind of assistance. Because if so... you'd fall into the same category you put those "crumbsnatchers" in. Its heartless and quite republican of you to refer to BABIES as crumbsnatchers.

Why blame ANYONE??? Have you ever worked in social services? Do you know how counterproductive it is to point the finger? It is the responsibility of BLACK MEN AND WOMEN to raise the children they create, not more on one gender than the other. THAT is an excuse that gets deadbeat fathers off the hook.

You have the same irresponsible generalized views of welfare recipients too. This is hardly about your personal past and more about a bigger picture that involves GENERATIONAL POVERTY! Have you ever studied the effects of poverty on a generation? Take it from me, its MORE than just laziness, its more than just popping out "crumbsnatchers" But all you see is your flimsy 50 cents as IF you can feed a child on that alone.

Would you rather pay for cops to shoot unarmed Black men? Would you rather pay for cops to handcuff 5 year olds? Would you rather pay for cops to go looking for the "runaway bride"?? BECAUSE YOU PAY MORE FOR THESE THINGS!!!

You said yourself that anyone with children should be fighting for their own, what makes you think a single mother on welfare isnt DOING JUST THAT? See how we're so quick to judge? LOL

OOOHHHH Phat has "faltered", but it's all about the type of help requested.
If you work in social services.....surely YOU know it's a bunch of The system we refer to as being so AMERICAN is designed to keep the poor or lazy down, by giving them one scrap at a time. KNowing this why would anyone support it ???????

There's free daycare, free training facilities, free housing, free food DANG......how much more would a person need to consider themselves "HELPED" ????

AND yes, it takes two It's TRUE but it's not today's reality. There are too many women raising kids alone, but do we spend our days dwelling on why we can't make a grown man do what's right ?!?!? He!! NAW !! Ya get up, get out and get something. AND knowing this why in the world would anyone cont. to produce more and more lil crumb snatchers ??? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES......that's a realistic view not republican.

Getting DEAD BEAT DAD'S off the hook is based on the same design created by the gov't to keep folks down. MODERN DAY SLAVERY, if we allow ourselves to ignore our resources, and get sucked in, then we need to except our responsibility in diggin a deeper hole for ourselves.

Those same ppl sitting somewhere expecting a check, instead of asking for assistance w/ a career, need to realize that life ISN'T all "sunshine and peaches". They need to except reality, responsible, the consequences making poor choices, and move on.

[Isis7]

Phattkatt you're speaking to the choir, when you say "...The system we refer to as being so AMERICAN is designed to keep the poor or lazy down, by giving them one scrap at a time. KNowing this why would anyone support it ???????

There's free daycare, free training facilities, free housing, free food DANG......how much more would a person need to consider themselves "HELPED" ????..."

First of all, You originally said the crumbsnatchers dont need to be funded by your money, now you say the system is designed to keep them down, so what are we to do for our "downed" babies? Just cast them out? kill them? Abort them? Lock em up? So you dont support the system and you dont support your tax dollars paying for them? What DO YOU Support? Its either going to be one or the other Phattkat... one or the other.

Secondly, I KNOW what the system is designed to do, and I see it in action everyday... that doesnt change the fact that there are people trapped in this system who DO need the help and if welfare is the only means to get it to them then so be it. As far as "..free daycare, free training facilities, free housing, free food..." Thats not free remember ? THOSE ARE YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! LOL

Thirdly, Whos dwelling on making a grown man do right? You dont have to DWELL on it to ACKNOWLEDGE his level of responsibility! Too many people make the MISTAKE of pointing fingers at women without acknowledging the mans role! If Brothas supported their seeds do you suppose there would be as many women on welfare? NO!

Is your child a crumbsnatcher? Are you "Stupid" for having him/her? If you answered NO to any of these questions then why in the WORLD would you assume that of anyone else? Generalizing and disrespecting babies isnt a "realistic view" Its a REPUBLICAN ONE, but most republicans dont know that they are anyway.

Lastly, You say----Those same ppl sitting somewhere expecting a check, instead of asking for assistance w/ a career, need to realize that life ISN'T all "sunshine and peaches". ... How do you know they are just SITTING THERE??? YOU DONT KNOW, YOU ASSUME! Many welfare programs help with CARREER PLACEMENT! And if they are making 200% below the poverty line I think they KNOW life isnt sunshine and peaches.

Stop with your assumptions, stop with that holier-than-thou persona, stop generalizing and stop thinking that those flimsy little tax dollars are your pride and joy. You think because YOU DIDNT need welfare that every other single mother in the country has to be JUST LIKE YOU. How humble is THAT?

The socially conscious NEVER judge....

[Phatkatt_76]

Were ALL guilty of being judgemental at one point !!!

AND YES my child is a "crumbsnatcher" by my definition b/c I use that term in a joking manner LOL !!

Free daycare, free placement is FREE to those who do not spend their money on it !!

Was I stupid for HAVING MY son ??? NO, but was I a fool for putting MYSELF in that situation ?? YES, and I'd be a bigger fool to do it again, and expect someone else to care for MY CHILDREN. Or wait around for a man to do HIS part, if he's resfusing to do so.

No one is ignoring the responsibility that men hold. BUT being in the situation with a DEAD BEAT, I'd be wasting my time trying to get his sorry azzzzzz to except his responsibility.

And I'm all for supporting MY "crumbsnatcher", I just think anyone who has a child should be ALL about supporting their own, with THEIR MONEY.

We cannot blame absent fathers for women who are on welfare. OKAY, so we acknowledge a man's role. That of a man who refuses to hold his responsibilty.....then what ????? At a certain point ya have to do it yourself, and quit feeling sorry for ya self and ur situation. NO one should wait or expect a handout. Having a J..O..B brings in way more $$$$$ than waiting for a check from the gov't.

We cannot change the system. We cannot make a sorry mofo take a role that he refuses to take. So as hard as it may be WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. It was VERY difficult for me, it's not that I did'nt NEED help, financially......I didn't want it. I did what I had to do, and that's not being self righteous, that's being ADULT.

We can go around this topic for days......for the sake of arguement.
We all want the kids taken care of, I just hold their parent or parents responsible. Their Father's should absolutely play an active role, but if they don't, then their mother needs to kick it in.

I don't have to ASSUME things about these women. Women who truly NEED help, get it , grow, and move on to bigger and better things. The reality is TOOO many abuse the system and get away with it.

Were all really just running our mouths( venting if you will ) , b/c there's nothing we can do about it either way. I just make sure that I do what's necessary to handle me and mine.

[Isis7]

PHATTKATT

"....Was I stupid for HAVING MY son ??? NO, but was I a fool for putting MYSELF in that situation ?? YES, and I'd be a bigger fool to do it again, and expect someone else to care for MY CHILDREN. ....."


YOU are not caring for those children just because you pay taxes! You pay SQUAT for welfare, you dont change no diapers or heat up no bottles, all you do is pay taxes just like me, so stop with the "im taking care of those kids" rhetoric!

"...I just think anyone who has a child should be ALL about supporting their own, with THEIR MONEY...."

You think that, but REALISTICALLY, thats not always the case... REALISTICALLY some people need food stamps for a few months, REALISTICALLY some people need help with their rent, REALISTICALLY some people get laid off! In the REAL WORLD people need aid and assistance once in awhile...


We all know that having a job is much better than being on welfare, we all know that welfare is TEMPORARY, we all know that there are those that will abuse the system but that is NOT the majority.

In a perfect world, all men would support their seeds and all women would have the means to support their children. But since the world is not perfect, and since there will always be single mothers and there will always be social programs designed to assist those families in need. And there will always be taxpayers to foot the bill whether you like it or not.

I said it before, i'll say it again.

You pay more for crooked cops.
You pay more for Bush to kill innocent people for oil.
You pay more for backstabbing politicians to smile in your face.

Taxes schmaxes

[therealisticlady]

Originally Posted by Isis7

PHATTKATT

"....Was I stupid for HAVING MY son ??? NO, but was I a fool for putting MYSELF in that situation ?? YES, and I'd be a bigger fool to do it again, and expect someone else to care for MY CHILDREN. ....."


YOU are not caring for those children just because you pay taxes! You pay SQUAT for welfare, you dont change no diapers or heat up no bottles, all you do is pay taxes just like me, so stop with the "im taking care of those kids" rhetoric!

"...I just think anyone who has a child should be ALL about supporting their own, with THEIR MONEY...."

You think that, but REALISTICALLY, thats not always the case... REALISTICALLY some people need food stamps for a few months, REALISTICALLY some people need help with their rent, REALISTICALLY some people get laid off! In the REAL WORLD people need aid and assistance once in awhile...


We all know that having a job is much better than being on welfare, we all know that welfare is TEMPORARY, we all know that there are those that will abuse the system but that is NOT the majority.

In a perfect world, all men would support their seeds and all women would have the means to support their children. But since the world is not perfect, and since there will always be single mothers and there will always be social programs designed to assist those families in need. And there will always be taxpayers to foot the bill whether you like it or not.

I said it before, i'll say it again.

You pay more for crooked cops.
You pay more for Bush to kill innocent people for oil.
You pay more for backstabbing politicians to smile in your face.

Taxes schmaxes

Amen and

People do need help sometimes. We do loose our jobs, family members, finacial and emotional support. If we are blessed we have someone in our corner to help and if not so blessed some have to rely on the welfare system. I have no problem with that being welfare ws created for that very reason. Just dont abuse it. Use it as a stepping stone and move on.

Would not finacial aid be considered a type of welfare? Would not your crumbsnatcher be taking from the system if they needed to get some aid to further their education? Think about it folks.....there are all kinds of welfare out there and most does not come in the form of a check or food stamps. That lil discount presciption plan you have, those kick backs on your taxes because you have kids, the housing assistance those got when their homes were destroyed...all someone else's tax money.