@Weaponof Iseral—I’m not debating with you only having discussion to draw out view points. Like others it is a topic that I am currently discussing w/ profs and other students. I’m not trying to change views only trying to see where it says not to use birth control. Trust me you posting is mild to the classroom. I understood your posting; however, it appears you didn't take the time to understand mine. If you feel that you are right then so be it, however, I do suggest that you reread my entire posting before trying to discredit my view, tell me I’m wrong, or I’m being silly. However, I got your point about children being God’s blessing ect ect…. Anywhoo—on with the discussion.
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THE REASON why you did all of this.........Now i was sitting here ready to correct every single error that you posed but im not gonna do that.
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Don’t quote/extract certain biblical verses to support your ideas without giving the entire biblical story or event that lead up to it.
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Listen, its not hard to understand. The order is given to multiply, and NOT ONLY in Genesis (you will see that further down) then birth control is the opposite of that order......You are ready to admit that specific practicies aren't recorded in the Bible. Rather than questioning me.... you should be asking yourself.... "if its not in the Bible then why am I standing for it?"
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God give us the mind and free will to think, use logic, and reasoning. To take these things and not apply them (taking every story in the bible literally) and not apply rational …is simply rather naive. The Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit written by man and not every single every word is to be taken literally but rather to be used in the context of the entire story.
Also, please find me scriptures that are against or show that female’s tubes cut, tied or burned was not used as a practice to stop producing children.
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-You stated that "its about homosexuality... is homosexuality evil? Then what is the need to debate on it?
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When you quoted the verses about evil—I was relating it to birth control. Putting people to death about birth control in reference to your posting “these evil people should be put to death”. I questioned what do these particular quotes have to do about putting people to death over birth control?
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What you should have seen in Genesis is that God is the one who gives you children, HE has the power to withhold and HE has the power to give. You are not to take that power. But rather Trust him. Assumptions. Thats what your are doing, assuming things. If someone did do that, then guess what? There are scriptures against that too.
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Assumptions are thinking because it’s not in the bible or isn’t told to you it wasn’t practiced or used. Just recently within the last 5-10 years it has been brought to light by the news media that women in East Africa have been being circumcised. This practice didn't start 5 to 10 years ago but centuries ago. The point is when it comes to human genitally and sexuality it tends to go behind close doors.
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its already clear that this was an order given by God, and we also see that it was considered a BLESSING to have MANY children, you show me a scripture where it says OTHERWISE. What you have done is make many assumptions and state many things that the bible does not say.
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Never said children weren't blessing, nevertheless, nothing in scripture prohibits married couples from practicing birth control, either for a limited time to delay childbearing, or permanently when they have borne children and determine that their family is complete. If both spouses are persuaded in their consciences before God that they should have no more children, no Scripture prohibits them from carrying through with that decision. (Rom 14:22)
However,couples shouldn't practice birth control if it violates their consciences (Romans 14:23)--not because birth control is inherently sinful, but because it is always wrong to violate the conscience. The answer to a wrongly informed conscience is not to violate it, but rather to correct and rightly inform one's conscience with biblical truth.
Ok but before you start I’ll address Corinthians....Here goes ---Birth control pills, condoms, withdrawal and timing sex activities to prevent pregnancy are forms of birth control. Do we agree on this?
I Corinthians 7:2-6 ----Since the Bible clearly states a husband and wife can decide to refrain from sex for Christian purposes such as spiritual needs; it also sets the example they can also refrain from sex for other loving needs. Economics could be a reason not to have sex because one has too many children or cannot afford to support any. Under such a rational loving consideration for the marriage, they can refrain from having children.
Obviously, this doesn't mean not having any sex as that would lead to adultery, which is sinful ( I Corinthians 7:9). Therefore, birth control is proper with God if doing so out of what is best for the family and each mate's capability as long as it is based on love. God Himself made the birth cycle in a woman where she can only become pregnant when she ovulates. God therefore gives us an example of birth control (she can only be pregnant at certain times of the month). Therefore, not having sex when she is fertile is just fine Biblically speaking. Condoms are just another way of not getting pregnant just like abstaining from sex when a woman is in her fertile period and birth control pills accomplish the same purpose.
Again, the New Testament does not give any
command that couples have children. The issue is not brought up in any context.
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Then explain why its repeated in Jeremiah 23:3 after the earth was already repopulated.
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Read Jeremiah 21:3-10 better yet start at the beginning of Jeremiah.
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Also, Isaiah 60 says nothing about confessing, it says exactly what i said it says.
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—Isaiah 60:22 The smallest family will multiply into a large clan. The tiniest group will become a mighty nation. I, the LORD, will bring it all to pass at the right time." (I have a different bible but I will go break out the King James version)
Allow me to clarify--- Start reading of the events from Isaiah 59-- The kingdom of Israel was divided and Israel moved towards destruction. Both kingdoms were characterized by rebellion, unbelief and idolatry. God sent prophets to warn them of their danger of destruction and the prophet condemns them of their sins.
Isaiah 59:9-15 the people confess their sins for being unbelieving, and idolatry
Isaiah 16-20 Lord prepares to rescue his people
Isaiah 20-21 Jerusalem was spared while the other cities are destroyed…
Isaiah 60 1:22—talks about the future glory of Jerusalem and passages on the coming kingdom while verse 22 is referencing to growth in numbers for spiritual fulfillment (not physical not having children)
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You can stand by your statement, but makes you look silly. My grandmother didn't have any money to afford birth control, she didnt have 20-25, children. I know 2 sisters in my church who have been married for years and havent had a child yet. I know of other people who havent used any contraceptives and had 2 kids in the space of 10 years.... so where is this "you WILL produce a child every year coming from?"
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As I can counter retort as my grandmothers on both sides were quite fertile. Mom has 4 sis and 8 brothers and Dad has 3 brothers and 6 sisters. If they had continued they would have more children. As it is silly to think that a woman cannot produce 20-25 children.
Again, is entitled to their opinion. Yes, I will continue to stand by my statement. As for grandmothers (God bless them) and their sexual lives are private so whatever preventive methods they used (withdrawal/rhythm method, hysterectomy or tied tubes) will not be discussed with their children/grandchildren. We will never know as some things are sacred and better left unsaid.
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With that being said, if you want to use contraceptives you are denying the willing of God and putting your soul in Jepoardy.
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Maybe, maybe not. However, not all methods of birth control are acceptable I do believe we must never use methods of birth control that cause the destruction of another human being: abortion, IUD, some morning after pill, ect... but since the Bible does not address specifically the issue of birth control so it is difficult to say whether or not it is right or wrong in an absolute sense.
Anywhoo—This was fun but I have some homework to do and a paper to write. :lipsrseal Therefore, I respect your opinions so it is best I :zipit: and get to work
No debating…only friendly discussion.
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