The Ten Biggest Problems Facing African-Americans Today

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Samoon

WHO died and made YOU God, brotha? I do not tell you how to present your "opinion." Please do not instruct or tell ME how to present as well. Watch your words...."retarded" is a personal attack. I do NOT take kindly to personal attacks--I give as good as I receive 'em. But I won't go there, at least not today. I don't give a rat's arse if you ARE the Administrator of this site, "treat others with "words" in the same manner of dignity and respect that you want to be treated." Period.

And if it is any indication by your "bullet" points above? I'd state (with an unbiased opinion) that you are trying a bit too hard in illustrating YOUR distain for Obama as well as to "influence" others in why this candidate should not be supported. Or is it just me......(laughing on my way outta this thread!)

Black? Stop it. Give it up.

I am only a man with an opinion. Unlike you and others, I don't worship any man, I only judge them by the fruit they produce. Your assertions and views are retarded, NOT you. I don't know you, only what you spew on this forum. You certainly have the right to feel the same about me, so cry us a river....

The fact of the matter is my bullet points are 100% accurate. And versus your unfounded and unproven rhetoric, it will stand like a rock, unchipped and unmoved. You have facts to chip away at the bullet points, lets hear them, otherwise, you rant is just that; another subjective faith-induced rant in worship of a man untested and unproven.

I have a disdain for fake blacks, and uncletoms, yes! As a people these types will do us no good and provide no help in moving us forward. Its' not rocket science. But then again, perhaps to you it is...

And as far as the influence goes...I realize that very little of what I assert here, others will actually listen to. It's too convenient for many of us to lazily lean on blind faith, rather than challenge the mainstream momentum. But I do have a moral obligation to speak with truth and conviction.

...So anytime you want to challenge those bullet points, I would love to actually have an intelligent debate. Until then, I will continue to attack the obama-apologists that, in the end, will ensure more of the same politics and Amerikkkan culture that will hurt us as a collective.

I'm not running for office, so I have no fear of who I offend.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by jimihaze

Question? are either clinton or mccain any more credible than obama when it comes to hope and change? Another question are you saying that obama is not black enough and that he has no right to run for president? are you saying the george w. bush has more experience than obama?

Actually Obama has every right to run; he's an American citizen. I don't understand the question. And from an experience perspective, George Bush is actually more experienced than Obama, and look what he's done to the country! Sure you want to go there? Because I can easily make the point that Obama will be a far worse President that George Bush, and base it PURELY on what Obama has done and said in his past.

Trust me, you don't want to start comparing Obama's record vs Bush. I don't even want to open up that can of nasty rotten worms...

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Neither do I Brotha D.



True enough. You've got a point there. Of course, like her husband slick Willie, they'll say one thing and mean another behind closed doors as we all know. That's why she wasn't so quick to dismiss Farrarro's comments.

Like I said before, the job of politician is politicking, nothing more, nothing less. At the end of the day,politics is the American way & its all good theater especially when take in the consideration how NY Governor's putting it down just within the few weeks of office(dirty laundry galore).

You are right, most politicians will SAY one thing and DO another. But it's what they DO that we have to at least put some stock in. Words without action is the worst kind of conduct from a politician. We don't have to like Hillary or any other white politician, but when they are willing to address black folks when our so-called black leaders won't, we better take notice.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

We don't have to like Hillary or any other white politician, but when they are willing to address black folks when our so-called black leaders won't.

True enough. But you can't help but wonder what's their true motives. Are they just willing to address our people just for a photo opp/publicity? And do they intend to stand by what they say. Let's not forget, Hillary Husband- Slick Willie did support NAFTA which dragged down our economy .

[Samoon]

"You certainly have the right to feel the same about me, so cry us a river...."

My point, exactly. "Cry ME a river." Please!

"I have a disdain for fake blacks, and uncletoms, yes! As a people these types will do us no good and provide no help in moving us forward."

And this is the main culprit in why "specific" individuals only "retard" the uplifting and progression of our people. But I'll let you tell it....lol. The mainstream in this country has only ONE goal: to retain it's power base. In prior posts, I have consistently pointed out that, "a race that once deemed itself as "owning" black people will NEVER respect us." Please. Take OFF your rose-colored glasses and your "we are the world" mentality. Ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever. Bill and Becky are no more "friends to our people" than the Jews. Obama is not a choice candidate for ME, but I refuse to be one to adhere to decade's old practices of voting for people who have proven track records of illustrating that they give "less than a dam" about BLACK people.

"It's too convenient for many of us to lazily lean on blind faith, rather than challenge the mainstream momentum."

Your words. "Mainstream." And not enough of black people are willing to challenge them.

We are on one accord in one given area: many of US do lean lazily on blind faith--and this is just one of the variables in black dynamics that continue in curtailing our progression. Intelligent debate? Sure, when you present ME with such. Stick a fork in you--you're done Black.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by YoungFreeman

Warning: This post is long, but it's the truth.



Their true motives are to win. I was there in South Carolina. The Clinton's sold out on the black community the second they realized that we would rally behind Obama. They moved onto the new important minority group, Hispanics. Apparently, we weren't even worth arguing over. Niggas don't vote anyway, right?

I used to like the Clintons a lot. I planned to vote for Hillary. But since South Carolina, I can't help but support Obama. He may have missed the NAACP meeting (supposedly had to campaign somewhere, so whatever. His speech on race was good enough for me. At least he acknowledged our anger), but he didn't ignore us just because we didn't vote for him at first. That's something.

NAFTA didn't drag down our economy, globalization did. NAFTA made it worse. America can't hope to continue it's economic dominance if it doesn't invest in educating a generation of scientists and engineers. As of now, we're a country of executives.

Or we can just...not invest in education. Dropout rates would continue to climb, leaving an uneducated proletariat to do low-wage labor at rates comparable to those in the third world. We can call it being "competitive". Actually, we're in the beginning stages of that. Right now, immigrants are taking up all the work, but it seems like most of them are only doing it for a generation or two. Even the illegals are seeing the values of education, and more and more second generation Hispanics are enrolling in institutions of higher education. They're out-pacing everybody.

Any idea who this uneducated proletariat will be? Us. Yes, it's sad, but it's true. Graduation rates our lowest among us at almost all levels of education. Unless we begin to STRESS education like crazy, we'll be left behind. No government initiative is going to help us. We need to take education back, create our OWN SCHOOLS like the NoI did a generation ago. Those schools out-performed most publics and held their own against most private boarding schools of the day. Our people excelled because they weren't the victims of low expectations.

So here's my no.1 biggest problem: allowing ourselves to indulge in an education system that's created to cater to white/Asian students specifically.

so basically, you are blaming HIllary for the decisions her husband made, and you decide that you are supporting Obama because he made a speech on race, as a maneuver to deflect cricism from a toally unrelated issues.

And it's this kind of reasoning and and lack of thought that plagues black America.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Samoon

"You certainly have the right to feel the same about me, so cry us a river...."

My point, exactly. "Cry ME a river." Please!

"I have a disdain for fake blacks, and uncletoms, yes! As a people these types will do us no good and provide no help in moving us forward."

And this is the main culprit in why "specific" individuals only "retard" the uplifting and progression of our people. But I'll let you tell it....lol. The mainstream in this country has only ONE goal: to retain it's power base. In prior posts, I have consistently pointed out that, "a race that once deemed itself as "owning" black people will NEVER respect us." Please. Take OFF your rose-colored glasses and your "we are the world" mentality. Ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever. Bill and Becky are no more "friends to our people" than the Jews. Obama is not a choice candidate for ME, but I refuse to be one to adhere to decade's old practices of voting for people who have proven track records of illustrating that they give "less than a dam" about BLACK people.

"It's too convenient for many of us to lazily lean on blind faith, rather than challenge the mainstream momentum."

Your words. "Mainstream." And not enough of black people are willing to challenge them.

We are on one accord in one given area: many of US do lean lazily on blind faith--and this is just one of the variables in black dynamics that continue in curtailing our progression. Intelligent debate? Sure, when you present ME with such. Stick a fork in you--you're done Black.

You have yet to present any fact, yet you brazenly think you are making an intelligent argument. Refute the bullet points please..show up or shut up!

This is funny! Hasn't Obama shown you the same track record? How has he shown you he gives a damn about black folk? If he'll sell out his pastor, what the hell do you think he's gonna do to you? This ain't rocket science.

Once again, you admit that you lean on NO facts, but the empty promise o faith and hope. What's truly sad about your reasoning is that Obama is showing you that he WON'T change Washington. But you, and so many others foolishly think that since he is half black, he's gonna not only move the black collective in a different direction, but he's gonna be good for the country. Wake up and see for yourself that Obama doesn't even recognize the black condition, nor does he care. Not a single fact or morsel of evidence to support what you force yourself to believe.

and you wonder why I called your views (not you)retarded.....

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MadameX

True enough. But you can't help but wonder what's their true motives. Are they just willing to address our people just for a photo opp/publicity? And do they intend to stand by what they say. Let's not forget, Hillary Husband- Slick Willie did support NAFTA which dragged down our economy .

There is much credibility to what you say here. But, because I like divine power and the ability to read minds, I can only judge a man by what they actually do. Wallowing in what we expect people to do is dangerous if we don't take into account what they have done.

Words void of action are dead. And if people really beleive that, it's not hard to see what a fraud Obama has been for years.

[Samoon]

[quote=DBlack;177113]You have yet to present any fact, yet you brazenly think you are making an intelligent argument. Refute the bullet points please..show up or shut up!

This is funny! Hasn't Obama shown you the same track record? How has he shown you he gives a damn about black folk? If he'll sell out his pastor, what the hell do you think he's gonna do to you? This ain't rocket science.

Once again, you admit that you lean on NO facts, but the empty promise o faith and hope. What's truly sad about your reasoning is that Obama is showing you that he WON'T change Washington. But you, and so many others foolishly think that since he is half black, he's gonna not only move the black collective in a different direction, but he's gonna be good for the country. Wake up and see for yourself that Obama doesn't even recognize the black condition, nor does he care. Not a single fact or morsel of evidence to support what you force yourself to believe.

QUOTE: "And you wonder why I called your views (not you)retarded....."
Refute the bullet points please..show up or shut up!"

I'm still waiting for you to refute the bullet points and illustration that I presented about the Clintons. Waiting?

QUOTE: "...but the empty promise o faith and hope." Truly sad, that many still BELIEVE in the track records of EMPTY faith and hope. Tsk.

[Sasori]

Actually, my points are simplified to all Americans

We are currently being controlled by 2 privately owned institutions.

The Federal Reserve, a central bank which our nation borrows money from with interest
And their goons, the Internal Revenue Service, which acts as collections agents to the populace.

Any nation which doesn't control the printing of its own currency truly has no power, it is enslaved