The Ten Biggest Problems Facing African-Americans Today

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Samoon

PART II (Con't)

The next President of the United States?

While there are individuals that do not embrace Barack Obama, there are others that do support him. "Do you." Think for yourself, as opposed to someone else's perspective. End of story inasmuch as whomever you support goes.

Obama is now running for President. He decided to run at a time that the "old guard" was looking to once again squat upon the throne that they have seen as their "divine right since birth". After enduring 8 years of the second generation of the Bush family soil this country, we now have that "other" would-be dynasty, the Clintons, demanding that they should be allowed to rule over the "serfs" again. And they are using some of the most diabolical tricks in order to do so.

This is "big time politics". There is no office higher than that of President and people have lied, bribed, begged and even murdered over it. The Clintons have thrown every dirty trick and the kitchen sink at Obama; many of their tactics resembling the bigotry typical of Republicans. This was not unexpected, but that does not mean that we as black people should accept it. There is, of course, a place in America for "respect for the Clintons" as some blacks choose to support. Bill Clinton was unabashedly "a friend of Black America" following 12 years of the soft-bigotry of the Reagan-Bush decade of the 1980's. This was sorely needed......at the time. But what the Clintons must understand is that Black Americans are not children. When a child is young he plays with toy hammers. All he does with a toy hammer is smash things. But at some point, that child must become an adult and when you have become an adult, you realize that a hammer is not a toy----it is a tool and that you can no longer simply smash things. You now have a duty to build things. Black America has been trying to contribute at the front of the line for centuries. Segregation denied our fathers and mothers of this right, but we, the children, will not be denied. The Clintons were our "friends" in the 1990's. They did some good (and bad) thiings for us. And we rewarded them by giving them the presidency twice!

The Clintons have b een "repaid" or their duties to us. We owe them NOTHING! And now it is our time to decide for ourselves which directions we will take. And we must not do it, relying on what was done for us decades ago. We must do it looking forward, not backward. I do not know who you will vote for in choosing a President, but I do know that you should do it carefully, weighing the candidates in front of you.

Do not look at what they did, "way back when". Look at what is in YOUR best interests..........today!

Good post, Jaboom.

Samoon, please, give us a break with the obama misinformation. Make the case for Obama, instead of spending so much time talking about the opponent. That is a tired and weak method of debate.

Obama, by his very actions and misactions is not an agent of change.

• Obama is a hypocritical apologist
• Obama is corrupt, with ties to criminal behavior
• Obama has a drug history
• Obama has no record of making CHANGE
• Obama receiving campaign contributions from same sources as Hillary
• Obama has REPEATEDLY sold out black leaders, organizations and even personal affiliates.
• Obama has avoided making critical votes FOR CHANGE over a hundred times.
• Obama IS an UncleTom.
• Obama does not represent black people.
• Obama represents those who either want to be white, are white, or be accepted by whites.
• Obama supports open borders - which will hurt black jobs
• Obama supports illegal amnesty - which will hurt eduction and black communiti9es
• Obama supports the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - He voted repeatedly for the wars.
• Obama ONLY opposed the war in voice - when he came out against the war, he was not a senator and could not vote on the war.

I think you get the point. Is Hillary or McCain any better, no. But my point is, we need to stop with the RHETORIC and start talking about substance.

If you are an Obama supporter, more power to you. But stop abusing the words CHANGE and HOPE when there is no credible evidence that such is even remotely possible with Obama. We all deserve honest debate and discussion, not retarded propaganda.

[Istlota]

A few more bullets to add to the list, all of which Obama himself comfirmed in his race speech. These reveal that an Obama administration would be committed to the same misguided foreign policies as the Bush administration. These also reveals just how disconnected Obama's world view is from that of the majority of black americans. They reflect his complete and total agreement with the world view of the CFR.

• Obama believes acts of terror committed by muslims have no connection to acts of terror committed by Israel.
• Obama has never given us any reason to think he even recognizes that Israel commits acts of terror.
• Obama does not believe that white racism is _endemic_.
• Obama believes black elders who think white racism is _endemic_ are deluded old men.
• Despite recent declarations of support from Malcolm X's daughter, and from Farrakhan, Obama refuses to even utter the name of Malcolm X.

Watch carefully, in the next few weeks, to see if Obama leaves his church -- the church that has enthusiatically supported him and whose previous pastor officiated at Obama's wedding. I am inclined to think that it is only a question of time before Obama rejects his church membership. At some point, his white supporters will insist on it. And, as Obama has proven again and again, when confronted with having to choose between the wishes of white people and black people, Obama will invariably appease his white supporters.

[dtownbro]

Good afternoon, Jaboom...

And brief comments...

Originally Posted by JABOOM

The Ten Biggest Problems Facing African-Americans Today. Ranked in order of Despair Caused.

1. Lack of opportunity and safety. There has been a loss of industrial jobs...

CTJ:

Hardly the fault of their former employees...

Next:

and a failure to control crime in northern cities by liberal mayors for most of the last 40 years.

CTJ:

This is a reactionary statement aka 'all liberals are soft on crime' whereas Nixon showed that people of any political label can turn out to be crooks...

2. Breakdown of the family. Until recently, welfare was a constitutional right (Goldberg v. Kelly) that makes government dependency more attractive than husbands.

CTJ:

Says who?

Illegitimacy increased from 23.6% in 1963 to nearly 70% of all black children today.

CTJ:

Yes...

That may well be true in the urban centers...

But where are the commentators stats to back up his or her claim?

This persistent problem was predicted by the Moynihan and Glazier more than 30 years ago and by FDR's Secretary of Labor Francis Perkins who insisted that aid not go to unwed mothers.

CTJ:

Moynihan was a turncoat Democrat who hyped the Nixon agenda...

I. e., benign (social) neglect (as in do nothing about the social issues and problems which would anger further the white mainstream supporters of Nixon by leading to their tax dollars being used to aid the plight of those less well off than they were) was the agenda of the right:

And what aided the suppression of the urban rebellions more than dysfunctional black families (hence individuals who lacked what most whites et al take for granted just to have a human existence)?

Instead it was (and is) the restrictions ad naseum associated with black women (among others) being forced to accept social assistance which also contributes to women having to raise children without there being a mate or father in their household...

So, you have either forgotten or never seen the film CLAUDINE, poster?

Sigh...

The flip side is how even during slavery days slave families adopted some new arrivals who had none...

I know that firsthand:

Two of those newcomers were my late great grand uncle and great grandfather...

Let's do remember our ancestors and forebears efforts to aid each other:

And also let's do contrast that with alleged outside do gooders who were and are nothing of the sort...

Next:

Policy makers and politicians did not listen until 1996. Some still don't see how welfare reduces the value of black men.

CTJ:

And here is the worst sort of self serving doubletalk...

3. Black anti-intellectualism. Accusations of "acting white" in the classroom, as detailed by John McWhorter, undermine education as a vehicle for advancement.

CTJ:

Everybody has an (their) opinion...

Where are the facts to back up this accusation?

Next:

Instead, black leaders expend enormous resources to advance affirmative action at a small number of elite universities, unmindful of the pernicious effects it has had on talented young blacks.

CTJ:

Affirmative action was and is a great idea...

Individuals advancing their own (or their children's) petty self interests, i. e., at the expense of others (and in some cases less well off children of their own ethnic/racial group) is the reality; which a lack of proper enforcement ala the stipulations of who gets what, is also part of the blame which has to be shared by the people who (sometimes halfheartedly) set up such programs (and schemes)...

Otherwise what is being claimed (hyped) is a not so subtle backslap at the black haves themselves!

The flip side are those children of black haves whose parents help to pay their college/university tuition (and/or others who help to pay for them by going to school while holding down part time or full time jobs)...

But, then, prejudging all blacks (or nonwhites) by the way of a double standard, (which a lot of whites can't measure up to), is neither new or news, when it comes to people on the right wing (social and political) extreme...

4. Failure of urban K-12 schools. Teachers unions and the education establishment have been more interested in pay-raises and grants than student achievement, testing, and competition from Catholic schools.

CTJ:

Doing away with public schooling was and is the agenda of elitist snobs...

I. e., creating a private school system, etc., advances the petty self interests of those who have the money, etc., to maintain and sustain them...

Ditto this is just the usual rhetoric meant to advance the self serving interests of one class at the expense of the other...

Thing is?

They too expect state and federal funding for 'their' schools...

So make them hypocrites as well...

Next:

Not to mention the costs of replacing the more effective Basic Instruction with the Self-Esteem pedagogy.

CTJ:

When all else fails?

Use academic jargon to make it all seem and sound reasonable...

Instead:

Say what?!?

Moving right along...

Next:

The failure of urban schools is not attributable to a lack of funding. There has been a 300% real increase in per pupil spending since 1970. This increase has been only modestly offset by increases in special need students from 8.3% to 11.8% of the student body - of which the percentage of seriously challenged children actually declined. The limits of throwing money at the problem were seen in Kansas City's $1.2 billion debacle.

CTJ:

Some of those who were trying to make a difference were offered instead a chance to make a lot of money...

Those of us who didn't go for that also have our right to hold them accountable too...

Next...

5. High incarceration rate of black men. The Democratic Party is a co-conspirator in the "War on Drugs" to garner suburban votes.

CTJ:

So the typical democrat is on a guilt trip?

And gosh does that reek!

Next:

Instead it should fight to decriminalize drugs and reduce the jail time served by family members of its most loyal voters.

CTJ:

No...

The black churches etc. should realize and recognize the ongoing crisis all of this barely restrained drug taking and drug dealing presents to all of us...

I. e., too many of our people--and hence our communities are bad reflections of folk, whose feelings of helplessness and hopelessness leads to such aformentioned options, hence who we are and are about as a people in 2008 we need to be candid and honest about, particularly on forums like this one...

CTJ:

Given the system's restraints I can't go into detail about Number 6...

And Number 7 isn't either worthy of a response...

Next:

8. Victimolgy. The speeches and ideologies of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and leaders in the reparation movement undermine the initiative of many African Americans. Moreover, there is a lack of honest debate among black leaders because of the fear of being called an "Uncle Tom" for not supporting the grievance agenda.

CTJ:

Opinion and/or mere speculation...

Next:

9. Radical relativism. Black leaders and liberal academics do not criticize even the most obscene behavior of people like Puff Daddy, OJ Simpson, and Dennis Rodman.

CTJ:

There are indeed things the black and colored masses themselves must be held accountable for...

And if some self appointed or elected leaders won't?

Time for them to be replaced by new ones...

Next:

They fail to see the effects on youth of Hip-Hop culture.

CTJ:

The issue and problem is gangsta rap...

Ditto you (or the commentator) should place the blame for the (over)promotion of that crap on the greed of the white media establishment...

To me:

I consider what they're also doing is a form of cultural and social genocide...

So shut down gangsta rap now white media execs!

Next:

Instead they applaud the legitimacy it receives from people like Harvard University Professor Dr. Cornel West. (Larry Summers was right).

CTJ:

Another cheap shot (but also at our intelligence)...

Next:

10. Excessive race-consciousness. The Left is insincere in acknowledging the advancement in race relations since the early 1960's.

CTJ:

"They're not really your friends..."

"Let us be your new ones..."

Instead?

Regardless of anybody's words I did and do judge them in relationship to their deeds...

Uh...

Would it be my guess you didn't write any of this (because I never remember you writing/talking down to the rest of us like this, bru)?

Let's move on anyway...

Next:

75% of blacks have joined the middle class.

CTJ:

Is it just me, or does that number seem and sound a wee bit high to your,
posters?

Instead loads of second generation blacks who may well be better off, socially and economically; though a setback or two away from being right back down with the rest of us, be we poor or working class...

Next:

If they lived in an independent country, they would be citizens of the 10th richest nation in the world.

CTJ:

Considering the ongoing housing crisis etc.?

That might not last much longer...

Next:

Race matters but not very much. Race-consciousness diminishes the importance of addressing the more important issues listed above

CTJ:

Racism did and does reflect the 'us vs them' of the white mainstream movers and shakers...

The flip side is they are quickly realizing and recognizing that doesn't play well around the globe anymore...

So let us end our own social/cultural/etc. isolation and figure out how to hold our own as equals to the rest of humanity on this planet...

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by Istlota

It is just human nature that hot button issues [Obama, gays, white folks' latest act of devilment, Michael Jackson's cray-zee self] will always get the most activity.

The good news is that a lot more people silently read positive posts than we might think.

And, sometimes, after you plant the seeds, the One has preordained that someone else is supposed to water them.

Something I am currently working on is trying to learn to Renounce and Enjoy --- to 1) do the work, 2) Renounce any attachment to the outcome, and 3) Enjoy the outcome whatever it works out to be.

CTJ:

It is always a good thing to be in the midst of old acquaintances and friends...

I do hope that you consider me one or the other...

As per usual:

On point/on time commentary...

And Brother Ahmed would say/write likewise...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

[chibaba]

Originally Posted by Istlota

A few more bullets to add to the list, all of which Obama himself comfirmed in his race speech. These reveal that an Obama administration would be committed to the same misguided foreign policies as the Bush administration. These also reveals just how disconnected Obama's world view is from that of the majority of black americans. They reflect his complete and total agreement with the world view of the CFR.

• Obama believes acts of terror committed by muslims have no connection to acts of terror committed by Israel.
• Obama has never given us any reason to think he even recognizes that Israel commits acts of terror.
• Obama does not believe that white racism is _endemic_.
• Obama believes black elders who think white racism is _endemic_ are deluded old men.
• Despite recent declarations of support from Malcolm X's daughter, and from Farrakhan, Obama refuses to even utter the name of Malcolm X.

Watch carefully, in the next few weeks, to see if Obama leaves his church -- the church that has enthusiatically supported him and whose previous pastor officiated at Obama's wedding. I am inclined to think that it is only a question of time before Obama rejects his church membership. At some point, his white supporters will insist on it. And, as Obama has proven again and again, when confronted with having to choose between the wishes of white people and black people, Obama will invariably appease his white supporters.

More of a few more bullets about Obama:

*Continues to support a for-profit health care system that is detrimental the majority of the country but good for the insurance companies
*Continues the support the war in Afghanistan which was another lie told to the country
*Continues to support a war with Iran, N. Korea, and who knows who else with the caveat of talking before bombing.
*As not uttered a word of about the militarization of Africa (Afro-com)
*Although he supports bringing the troops home after taking office, he still plans to leave contractors there to continue to loot the country.

Originally Posted by Samoon

Let there be no doubt about it. Black people should pay close attention to this ongoing election. This election is about "change", alright. But not just for the Presidency. It's also about change as a people. Black people need to realize that no one beats a path to our door unless they WANT something from us. It's time to let those people know they can beat a path to our door, but that this club now has a door charge JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!! The Clintons have done very little for us, and the NAACP has done LESS! These unconcerned individuals don't even aggressively vie for our vote (and why not, so many of us just hand our vote over on a silver platter without knowing the relevant issues that DO affect US) and all we get for our vote is war for oil, outrageous gas prices, health care you can't afford and low-wage jobs. Replacing the twerp in the White House with a skirt in the White House is not going to make me feel better about it. Barack Obama has his work cut out for him. And we'd all best pay attention to how this goes down. Because it lets us all know who our friends really are....and aren't.

"Take a look around"

The Black and Brown Divide

As Blacks have voted and tuned in on the presidency, Hispanics are firmly opposing Black leaders in favor of white ones. Is the brotherhood among minorities dead?
The Democratic primaries in California woke up a lot of people. During this election, there was a lot of talk going on about the "Black and Brown" divide. Most people have assumed for decades that since Blacks and Hispanics are minorities, it is only natural that they will support each other for elective office. Wrong! Hispanics have always viewed themselves as a "dominant" group. While Blacks have helped to elect Hispanics (The wife-cheating Mayor of Los Angeles, for example) it is abundantly clear that Hispanics have a clear opposition to voting for Black candidates. Whether it's viable Black candidates like Ron Kirk, the former mayor of Dallas who lost his bid for the senate, or now Barack Obama running for president, Hispanics have opted to vote for the white candidate--or not at all. Up until recently, this trend has been most notable in places like California and Texas, but as the legal/illegal Hispanic populations increase across the nation, I note that this trend is not just isolated to the southwest United States.
What we see is that when the candidates are Democrat or Republican , Hispanics will routinely vote Democrat. However, when the candidate is Black and his opponent is White, Hispanics will tend to vote against the Black candidate as we're seeing in the Obama/Clinton race. During "Super Tuesday" for presidential candidates, California voters chose their candidates for president. Hispanics make up a huge block of voters in California and they overwhelmingly chose Hillary Clinton over Obama by 64% according to MSNBC. It is now clear that being a fellow minority hasn't created any kinship with Hispanics in America if we ever had this. We've all heard of the racial school fights that are almost a daily occurence in California, and the situation in the jails is so balkanized that even rival gangs like the Crips and Bloods put aside their street differences, while in prison, in order to put up a resistance to the Hispanics in jail, many of whom are illegal aliens. What we see coming into form is a two front assault: Whites against Blacks on the one hand and Hispanics against Blacks on the other.

We're also seeing a lot of the same pathology typical of caucasian society against Black people being exhibited by Hispanics against Blacks. Jennifer Lopez was adamant to prove her "street credentials" when she embarked on her music career. She struck up a romantic relationship with Sean "P. Diddy" Combs to leech off his fanbase, but when it was time to choose a life partner she chose Latin singer Marc Anthony. There has been a large influx of Latinos into rap music, but you do not see Latinos clamoring to equally welcome Blacks into their music culture. To be clear, there is nothing wrong with people trying to make as much money as they can, and in all honesty there were legal and public image issues involved with Lopez's break-up from Combs (specifically a nighclub shooting involving Combs' protege' Shine). However, once again, we are seeing an economic methodology of using what Black people have to offer and then discarding Black people after usurping a position among us. Whether it's Asian stores, Arab liquor stores that prefer to set up shop in Black neighborhoods and not white ones or traditional white businesses, Black people's money is respected, but Black people ourselves are not welcome----even when it is WE who generate the income for these businesses.

Black people have been very naive about a good number of things, and how Hispanics see Black people is probably the most recent, and the most troubling because, unlike whites, Hispanics tend to live and work in traditionally Black neighborhoods. And what we are seeing in traditionally Black neighborhoods is a "push" to push out the Black residents.

We don't see this kind of behavior when Blacks move into Hispanic neighborhoods. And so it begs the question "Why do Hispanics hate Black people?"

Is it simply competition for space? Or, a power struggle between two ethic groups that, at the end of the day? Neither holds the baton of power in this country. That would be a sensible explaination if Black people had something to compete for. But considering that the majority of the valuable assets in America are white-owned, that doesn't hold water. Most likely it is the fact there is a highly influential nativist push among Hispanics (through long-time groups like La Raza and Conquistadors) combined with the fact that other ethnic groups have learned the lessons of white racism very well. If one wants to be looked upon favorably by the larger society (mainstream), all one has to do is to show disdain for Black Americans. Hispanics have only been a political force for the last 10 years and yet you have white politicians and white businesses bending over backwards until their spines snap to become as Hispanic as possible---even burdening themselves with extra expenses like setting up bi-lingual phone services and bi-lingual package printing. You've NEVER seen these same companies go out of their way to hire Blacks or make mainstream advertising featuring Blacks in a positive role. White politicians regularly oppose Affirmative Action, claiming that they are listening to their constituents, but we have presidential candidates like John McCaan and Hillary Clinton fighting and even openly insulting their white voters telling them they approve of amnesty for illegal aliens, for example. We have NEVER seen these same white, Republican, or even Democratic candidates publicly tell white voters that, "we are against you and in favor of Black Americans---even if you don't like it!" And yet this is exactly what we see in their attitude toward Hispanics. Not all of these politicians use illegal aliens to mow their lawn or babysit their children. More likely, big business has more to do with it than anything else but it still has a devastating effect on Black people.

It's clear that Hispanic disdain for Black people is no accident and it is clear this is not a trend we will see diminish. As Hispanic influence increases, we will see fewer and fewer opportunities for Black Americans develop. Remain in denial about this if you want, the proof will definitely be IN the pudding. We will be in the middle of a giant squeeze play, crushed between Whites on one hand and Hispanics on the other. While no one should construe this article to mean anyone should be anti-Hispanic (or anti-anyone else for that matter) we as Black people need to see to our own affairs first. We can't just support people because they are white----or Black for that matter. Screw-ups cross every ethnic line.

Hopefully this will "open the eyes" of OUR people that have sleeping on this for years, decades even. "BE for US, by US."

They have been fully indoctrinated with the "white-is-right" ideology since coming to America and since they are a race in which many of its members can pass for white, they have no problem with believing every negative image perpetuated by whites about Blacks. What's even more pathetic is that they don't get that white folks don't like them either! Honestly, I'm waiting for them to get that gunshot-near-your-eardrum wake up call when the government finally marches all of the illegals back across the border. There were too many Blacks who were standing behind Hispanics with this immigration thing but I've been against it from the start since having to deal with Hispanics who have treated me worse than some white people have. Everybody gets there comeuppance.

[UglymanCometh]

Originally Posted by JABOOM

2. Breakdown of the family. Until recently, welfare was a constitutional right (Goldberg v. Kelly) that makes government dependency more attractive than husbands. Illegitimacy increased from 23.6% in 1963 to nearly 70% of all black children today. This persistent problem was predicted by the Moynihan and Glazier more than 30 years ago and by FDR's Secretary of Labor Francis Perkins who insisted that aid not go to unwed mothers. Policy makers and politicians did not listen until 1996. Some still don't see how welfare reduces the value of black men.

Solve this problem and you've solved HALF the problems.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

I think you get the point. Is Hillary or McCain any better, no.

Exactly. And after seeing how well Obama presented himself on The View, I'll say that I regained a renewed respect for him. He held his own ( and didn't Tom) while interacting with the hosts of the show especially with the boisterous , dingy ,borderline-racist staunch Republican Elisabeth (on the left).

[dtownbro]

I do hope and pray some who post on this board double check the stuff they repost:

And, yeah...

I could even dig it if the source had been a black conservative--as in somebody who is at least of the same ethnic/racial background etc.

But a right wing demigod like David Horiwitz has become in his 'old age'?

Pulease!

Though the flip side is my big props for you watching our backs young fella!

I also hope to get to know you better too!

That's it for now...

And more forthcoming...

FYI...

Later...

CTJ

Originally Posted by Juice.

Hate to break it to y'all, but the article you're praising was written for an anti-Black, anti-Islamic, anti-minority website run by a right-winged Jew named David Horowitz.
See for yourself: FrontPage Magazine

The only two I slightly agree with are #1 and #5.

Sure the lack of opportunity is killing, not only poor Blacks, but the entire lower class as America continues to prove how little it believes in its "equal opportunities/Anyone can make it if they work hard" pipe dream by outsourcing jobs and not providing any realistic way to climb the economic ladder. But that epidemic isn't attributable to "liberal mayors", and neither is the crime problem cited in the article. Drug related crime isn't typical of Black communities alone, it is a national problem that needs to be addressed. You have Mexican drug dealers murdering each other in Los Angeles, Cuban drug dealers murdering each other in Miami, and Black drug dealers murdering each other in Baltimore, why are Blacks singled out?

As for the educational system - I agree that the educational system is horribly broken, but the problem lies deeper. Being educated in the American system does not secure success and it only reinforces the false beliefs we're being fed as Black people. Black children are being made to believe that their people made no advances prior to the slave trade. Formal education is designed to crush the hearts of many of the future intellectuals who would be more than willing to put paid to the current system. And what motivates the poor child is void in the classroom.

Scholars on the subject of education, already know that what is most important for a child's, or young adult's, development is the social circumstances outside of school. This includes the homelife. It includes the life that the children and adolescents see transpiring around them on the streets. The learning really takes place in the school yard, rather than in the classroom.

None of my words are to refute that Blacks are underachieving. But we must look at all the reasons why they are not living up to their potential. It's easy to throw the blame upon those who are being oppressed and claim that Blacks are "anti-intellectual". Blacks most definitely should strive to be educated. But then we need to analyze what education actually is.

And how can "Jaboom" say that this garbage article is necessary to the upliftment of out people? The words you read in this article can be heard in any area that Blacks congregate, it's nothing new. It's fine to say to the Black guy: get an education, take care of your kids, stop sellin' on the corner, get a job; but if society makes is extremely difficult to do any of those things, who is to blame?

Couple that with the fact that the negatives of Black men are hunted out and publicized at every opportunity, and we have the manufacture of inferiority complexes. The hardest way to make something believe something is to prove it. The easiest way, as the media and television know so well, is to simply repeat the unprovable at every opportunity. The average person is influenceable and buys the garbage the media and television are selling.

Fortunately, some of us are raised to be more enlightened.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Exactly. And after seeing how well Obama presented himself on The View, I'll say that I regained a renewed respect for him. He held his own ( and didn't Tom) while interacting with the hosts of the show especially with the boisterous , dingy ,borderline-racist staunch Republican Elisabeth (on the left).

How well a man or woman speaks while in front of the camera means very little to me, if it is not reinforced by a clear record of action and accomplishments that give prudence, validity and credibility to the eloquent words.

As a people we have to learn to stop taking things at face value and look into the substance of the person and their body of work.

I find it shameful that Obama has time for The View, but no time for Tavis Smiley, NAACP, etc.....

Disgraceful!