The Key To Revolution...

[Lady_Dread]

You've made very excellent points,brother. Of course,we will have our differences,but the common goal is liberation of our people.

Originally Posted by Ukali

Let's all learn to distinguish between "fighting amongst ourselves" and struggling with one another (principled dialog). In order to achieve greater clarity, develop reciprocal understandings, and establish mutual respect We must learn to deal with our differences, disputes, and disagreements with diplomatic skill, tact, and wisdom.



Agreeing to disagree does not resolve matters. We have to decide which is more important: winning an argument or working things out.

I believe We must settle things, work them out, in a principled manner — without taking stuff personally and without alienating one another over our opinions and perspectives. We can never work things out if We stop communicating or only discuss subjects that are "safe" and comfortable.



This is the way it should be, regardless of how passionate or heated our exchange might become. At all times We must remember that We are not enemies... that We must learn to struggle with one another so that, together, We can struggle against our real enemies.

[JABOOM]

Originally Posted by Ukali

Currently, i serve as a National Officer of the Provisional Government - Republic of New Afrika (PG-RNA). I am also an active, Lifetime Member of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (N'COBRA).



Actually, i never asked about what "other people" are doing... that's not my concern.

I'm more interested in what the three of you (who already spoke out) are willing to do with the ideas you expressed. I'm more interested in building on the sentiments only voiced in your messages. I'm more interested in giving those ideas real-world form and substance.



There's no need to get all defensive... i'm not trying to challenge, berate, or question your standing. I am, however, boldly encouraging you (and the others) to do a lot more than just discuss organizing. I'm encouraging you to actually do the kind of organizing you've written about.

Ok cool, I'm not defensive at all As you should know there are always people waiting on others to do the walking for them. I just had to see where your head was.

I do plently I just don't put out there EVERYTHING that I do. But I am a teacher and organizer in my community. Enough said is what I like to say when telling what it is that I do.

[Militant_minded]

Originally Posted by Ukali

Okay... now that the three of you have "talked the talk" -- are you ready to walk the walk??

That is, are you prepared and willing to translate your nice-sounding words into real world action?

It's easy to sit at our keyboards spouting "revolution" but it's a whole 'nother thing to actually do the meaningful organizing y'all are only discussing.

Let's move beyond flapping our lips and exercising our fingertips...

Last time I checked this was a forum of discussion. So therefore there is nothing wrong with discussing ideas and ways of doing things. Ive put those words into action many times blackman... and continue doing the best I can for my people. I dont want to turn this in to a piss test of who did what Ill be the better person and let it be. Dont question what Ive done without personally knowing,you only make your self look like an ***.

[Ukali]

Originally Posted by JABOOM

Ok cool, I'm not defensive at all

Your reaction sure seemed defensive to me, brother. Excuse me if i misread you.

Trying to make things real (over the internet) takes a lot of patience, tolerance, and restraint. I do hope We won't let our egos interfere with the kind of unity you talked about earlier... "different groups for different departments of the struggle."

Originally Posted by JABOOM

As you should know there are always people waiting on others to do the walking for them. I just had to see where your head was.

Yes, you're right. There are all types of people in this world, some who tend to be more of a follower than a leader. Political maturity is called for when dealing with such individuals, because there also is a role for them in the struggle. Leaders must be ready to help strengthen, guide, and serve them.

As We continue our dialog, i'm sure you will get a better grasp of 'where my head is' -- let's just keep our discussion principled and respectful.

Originally Posted by JABOOM

I do plently I just don't put out there EVERYTHING that I do. But I am a teacher and organizer in my community. Enough said is what I like to say when telling what it is that I do.

Again, my main interest is in what you are willing to do with regard to the ideas you put forth in this thread. What you do, or have been doing, is secondary (in my opinion) but it's good to know that you are active in your local area.

You talked about the need for "different groups in different departments of the struggle" — this is some good thinking (in my opinion). I just wonder if you're willing to make it a concrete function of "the struggle" or if it's only chitchat for this forum.

I think there are enough people here to at least begin compiling a database of different groups... you might be the perfect leader for this project.

[RBG3]

Originally Posted by Lady_Dread

"Our objective is complete freedom, justice and equality by any means necessary."-Malcolm X

even if it means violence..

[Ukali]

Originally Posted by Militant_minded

Last time I checked this was a forum of discussion. So therefore there is nothing wrong with discussing ideas and ways of doing things.

We certainly agree. No one said (or implied) there was anything "wrong" with doing this.

Originally Posted by Militant_minded

Ive put those words into action many times blackman... and continue doing the best I can for my people.

Great!

I hope you're also now willing to promote "communication and unity amongst all the organizations" (as you stated earlier) in the real world . This is a good idea, in my opinion, and it needs to be given the time, effort, and commitment it deserves. I wonder if you'll take the lead in organizing the kind of networking process your words so strongly suggest?

Originally Posted by Militant_minded

I dont want to turn this in to a piss test of who did what Ill be the better person and let it be.

You don't have to worry about that, brother... it takes two for this sort of "test" and i ain't interested in it.

If this is the kind of imagery your mind creates, it might be best for you to stay out of political discussions (with me).

Originally Posted by Militant_minded

Dont question what Ive done without personally knowing,you only make your self look like an ***.

You can imagine what you look like right now... since no one has "questioned what you've done."

Think about it.

[JABOOM]

Originally Posted by Ukali

Your reaction sure seemed defensive to me, brother. Excuse me if i misread you.

Trying to make things real (over the internet) takes a lot of patience, tolerance, and restraint. I do hope We won't let our egos interfere with the kind of unity you talked about earlier... "different groups for different departments of the struggle."



Yes, you're right. There are all types of people in this world, some who tend to be more of a follower than a leader. Political maturity is called for when dealing with such individuals, because there also is a role for them in the struggle. Leaders must be ready to help strengthen, guide, and serve them.

As We continue our dialog, i'm sure you will get a better grasp of 'where my head is' -- let's just keep our discussion principled and respectful.



Again, my main interest is in what you are willing to do with regard to the ideas you put forth in this thread. What you do, or have been doing, is secondary (in my opinion) but it's good to know that you are active in your local area.

You talked about the need for "different groups in different departments of the struggle" — this is some good thinking (in my opinion). I just wonder if you're willing to make it a concrete function of "the struggle" or if it's only chitchat for this forum.

I think there are enough people here to at least begin compiling a database of different groups... you might be the perfect leader for this project.

Tell me this do you think it is a problem to talk about this type of thing inorder to get your idea's out there.....or are you just taking notes on who is doing what?

When dealing with people you don't know or just meet, the best thing to do is pass around idea's before you decide to make plans with strangers.

I'm willing to do what needs to be done, I just don't feel a need to go out and broadcast what it is I'm willing to do.....starting to understand the message I'm trying to send to you and all that are reading.
Don't tell or ask anybody what they are doing to avoid any potential "note takers" that have secondary plans in mind.

[Ukali]

Originally Posted by JABOOM

Tell me this do you think it is a problem to talk about this type of thing inorder to get your idea's out there.....or are you just taking notes on who is doing what?

Neither.

I have no problem with talking about things, if that's all you want to do (talk). However, if you talk about doing something, at some point discussion must yield to action.

And, no, i'm not "taking notes" — there's nothing happening to take notes on, brother, just a lot of talk. This is not too much different from the abstract street-corner philosophizing that goes on every day in our communities throughout this country.

Originally Posted by JABOOM

When dealing with people you don't know or just meet, the best thing to do is pass around idea's before you decide to make plans with strangers.

This might surprise you, but you're no stranger to me. Your many posts in this forum say a lot about you, your mindset, and the limits of your thinking. I'm quite familiar with the person you present yourself as.

As for ideas... you've put some out here that call for real-world action (beyond chitchat). I'm just trying to encourage you (and others) to give your own words more meaning and more substance.

Originally Posted by JABOOM

I'm willing to do what needs to be done, I just don't feel a need to go out and broadcast what it is I'm willing to do.....starting to understand the message I'm trying to send to you and all that are reading.

The message i'm understanding (now) is that you were just speculating about the things other people could possibly do... not you in particular. If that's what you consider "getting there together" then i'm in the wrong conversation.

Originally Posted by JABOOM

Don't tell or ask anybody what they are doing to avoid any potential "note takers" that have secondary plans in mind.

No one has asked you what you're doing... i did, however, suggest a specific project that you could (if you're willing) give leadership to. This is a project that can be done in the open without being concerned about the mysterious "note takers" you keep alluding to.

[ardamus]

Is this thread about actually doing something or more so a thread of saying what people have done and proving themselves to be more revolutionary on a message board? Not clowning on what anyone has done. Just wanted to know. Sometimes, when I see topics like this come up it ends up being an argument of who does what for our people and etc.

[JABOOM]

Originally Posted by ardamus

Is this thread about actually doing something or more so a thread of saying what people have done and proving themselves to be more revolutionary on a message board? Not clowning on what anyone has done. Just wanted to know. Sometimes, when I see topics like this come up it ends up being an argument of who does what for our people and etc.

I feel you on what you just said....

I'm just gave my 2 cents and started getting questioned.

I'll say this though......I'm done with the convo.