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Old November 20th, 2007, 04:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I DID SAY RIGHT!!!!NOW!!!!
not after we planned and what not.....

AND I DID MEAN THE """ABOVE SERVICES""" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT WE HAVE NOT WORKED ON PROVIDING FOR OURSELVES SINCE, MARCUS mOSIAH GARVEY INSTRUCTED US TO ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO.
with all due respect I pose this here not as some idle chit chat but for some serious thought regarding our collective survival!!!!
Plenty of skilled people now to take over all of the infrastructure services mentioned above that are minorities. We only make up 12.3% (or so) of the population in the United States. This alone would prove to be quite a challenge.
 
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Old November 21st, 2007, 03:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If all the whites disappeared the asians would take over. We would be defenseless against them. They would put us to work the same way.

But that's not the meaning of this post. I don't think we are ready to take the reins of the infrastructure. I say this because we don't have our own infrastructure. During Katrina we had to wait for the govt to airlift us to safety. That's not to say there are no black helicopter pilots. Are these black pilots teaching their skills to other black men? Do we know how to properly dispose of a nuclear warhead? I'm sure there isn't a book at the library with step-by-step instructions.

Whites have their stake in this world, it's their planet too. They can't just up and leave no more than you can just up and leave your house.

Here's one thing we can do; instead of sending our kids to basketball camp, how about science camp, math camp, or space shuttle camp? We can survive in a whiteless world without ball players, but can we survive in a whiteless world without engineers, physicists, and scientists to dismantle and interpret the infrastucture whites have created?
 
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Old November 21st, 2007, 03:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I don't think there would be much change if whites disappeared. IMO, I don't think they are the major factor for our issues. We do sabotage ourselves with our actions as well and I think its giving them too much power to say that with them gone things would be fine.
 
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"Power does not respect weakness, however power will concede or negotiate with power."

Before our enslavement, we had a "black, civilized society." And from this, evidence will clearly illustrate the contributions that we gave to modern day civilization. Some here seem to forget that we came to this land against our will, that former slave-holders held to the belief that blacks were to be only slaves, segregated and to "serve us." Even today, as I've referenced before, black people are viewed primarily as consumers and laborers, relegated to an "employee class" if you will. I disagree with some here, for yes, we CAN transcend as laborers and consumers. It IS getting better, but we are not "properly" prepared. Through sheer power, whites were able to prepare themselves. And everyone else that came to this country CAME WITH A PLAN. Blacks were NOT given the opportunity to define OUR existence and purpose without the omni-present hand of death.

Moving on, it is not amusing how much of the "maintenance" of the white infrastructure's systems came about through their contrived tactics of beg, borrowing or stealing. For vitually everything that Amerikka has? She STOLE. For white Amerikka has always subjugated, inflicted and impressed THEIR will upon the other races. Case in point, the Chinese invented gun-powder (for celebrations--at first) yet who "took" control of that and gained the monopoly with weapons of mass destruction?

What we need to do as black people is to BE more self-reliant, that is contribute as a UNIT in the idea of US becoming a black infrastructure. That is, doing what is right where "we" all profit instead of the "me" mentality that exists amongst our ranks. Another case in point, self-hating. Looking at individuals such as Oprah and Bill, no, we do not need their speeches or their taking position on the Morals squad. Their premise is to only garner more "worshippers" and promote themselves. Neither contributes to the over-all idea of a black infracstructure, to do what is right, for both carry a bad case of the "me" mentality. Shaq is not rich, however that white man that signs his check is. Why can't Shaq, for example, own the whole dam team?

We are at least two generations removed from where we SHOULD be. The practice of each generation "waiting" on the next generation for change should die a quick death. We can do what is not impossible. Make change and secure a position for ourselves in this country.

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Old November 21st, 2007, 06:44 PM   #25 (permalink)
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"Power does not respect weakness, however power will concede or negotiate with power."

Before our enslavement, we had a "black, civilized society." And from this, evidence will clearly illustrate the contributions that we gave to modern day civilization. Some here seem to forget that we came to this land against our will, that former slave-holders held to the belief that blacks were to be only slaves, segregated and to "serve us." Even today, as I've referenced before, black people are viewed primarily as consumers and laborers, relegated to an "employee class" if you will. I disagree with some here, for yes, we CAN transcend as laborers and consumers. It IS getting better, but we are not "properly" prepared. Through sheer power, whites were able to prepare themselves. And everyone else that came to this country CAME WITH A PLAN. Blacks were NOT given the opportunity to define OUR existence and purpose without the omni-present hand of death.

Moving on, it is not amusing how much of the "maintenance" of the white infrastructure's systems came about through their contrived tactics of beg, borrowing or stealing. For vitually everything that Amerikka has? She STOLE. For white Amerikka has always subjugated, inflicted and impressed THEIR will upon the other races. Case in point, the Chinese invented gun-powder (for celebrations--at first) yet who "took" control of that and gained the monopoly with weapons of mass destruction?

What we need to do as black people is to BE more self-reliant, that is contribute as a UNIT in the idea of US becoming a black infrastructure. That is, doing what is right where "we" all profit instead of the "me" mentality that exists amongst our ranks. Another case in point, self-hating. Looking at individuals such as Oprah and Bill, no, we do not need their speeches or their taking position on the Morals squad. Their premise is to only garner more "worshippers" and promote themselves. Neither contributes to the over-all idea of a black infracstructure, to do what is right, for both carry a bad case of the "me" mentality. Shaq is not rich, however that white man that signs his check is. Why can't Shaq, for example, own the whole dam team?

We are at least two generations removed from where we SHOULD be. The practice of each generation "waiting" on the next generation for change should die a quick death. We can do what is not impossible. Make change and secure a position for ourselves in this country.

People get ready...theres a train a comin...The Impressions
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Old November 24th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Honestly it would not change a thing the fact that we focus on them too much instead of ourselves gives them this pseudo power to thinking that they are in control.
Remember "Are Ye Not Gods" granted with the living soul to do anything we put our minds to. Let's not be distracted that is a formula also for oppression and regression.
 
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Honestly it would not change a thing the fact that we focus on them too much instead of ourselves gives them this pseudo power to thinking that they are in control.
Remember "Are Ye Not Gods" granted with the living soul to do anything we put our minds to. Let's not be distracted that is a formula also for oppression and regression.
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It would certainly open up many more economic opportunities for African-Americans in this country.

But the first thing we would need to do is takeover control of the Federal Government through democratic means (i.e, the White House and both Houses of Congress). From there, we would make and institute policies that would benefit black people the most, and that includes passage of the reparations bill H.R. 40, which was first introduced by John Conyers of Michigan.

Our voting block becomes much more stronger (and less diluted) with the absence of white folk, but still, the one thing we need to do, as a people, is get out and VOTE, which is something we don't do enough of anyway. Why? Because the only obstacle standing in the way of all this would be the remaining Hispanic population in this country. It would be their voting block against ours, and the voting block that generates the greatest voting power would, of course, contol everything. The Asian voting block OTOH would not be a real factor all of this.

He who controls the Federal Government and it's economic policies controls everything in this country.
 
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I do read alot fortunately, though are you serious? 95% of world atrocities wouldn't change, evil is part of human nature, some can't enforce their evil nature because they don't have the opportunity, look what the Japanese did when they had a little bit of power before the second world war brought them back humility. As long as there is a need for power war and atrocities won't stop, Lust for power is humankind worst enemy, Its just that white people have perfected the art of evil compare to others and use it to terrorize the world, thats their specialty.
Execellent point. Just because white people perfected it does not mean another race could not do the same thing if they were to up and disappear.
 
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Exclamation Why I Cannot Hate Whites

Why I Cannot Hate Whites or Anyone for that matter

First of all I don’t hate anyone because it is outright wrong!
I don’t have to hate, because I have to much pride in myself
And my culture and the our-story of Black people and their
Contribution to the world these are a few examples listed
Below.

The blacks came into the Iberian Peninsula (Spain) and built the greatest
City the world had ever seen.
The mineral wealth of the land was not disregarded. Copper, gold, silver,
Tin, lead, iron, quicksilver, and alum were extensively mined.

Cordova was the most wonderful city of the tenth century; the streets were
Well-paved, with raised sidewalks for pedestrians. At night, ten miles of streets
Were well illuminated by lamps. (This was hundreds of years before there was
A paved street in Paris or a street lamp in London.)

Cordova, with a population of at least one million, was served by four thousand
Public markets and five thousand mills.
Public baths numbered in the hundreds. This amenity was present at a time
When cleanliness in Christian Europe was regarded as a sin.

The Black Moorish monarchs dwelt in splendid palaces, while the crowned
Heads of England, France, and Germany lived in big barns, lacking both
Windows and chimneys, with only a hole in the roof for the emission
Of smoke.
Education was universal in Black ruled Spain, available to the most humble,
While in Christian Europe ninety-nine percent of the populace was illiterate
And even Kings and Queens could neither read nor write.

In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries in Europe were none
Existent, while Moorish ( Black) Spain could boast of more than seventy, of
Which the one in Cordova housed six hundred thousand manuscripts.

Europe contained only two Universities of any value, while in Black Moorish
Spain there were seventeen great Universities. The finest of these were located in
Almeria, Cordova, Granada, Juen, Malaga, Seville, and Toledo.

When any Black person is accused of being envious or hating white people
They should consider it an insult.
Especially in the in the light of the following.

When Black people were driven out of Spain the land went into decay

As the story continues.
Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, physics, mathematics, geography,
And philosophy that once flourished in Moorish Spain came to and end

The moors introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, and their
Enemies adopted this explosive and used it to drive the Moors back into Africa
After several centuries of progress, the culture of Black ruled Spain finally
Retrogressed into a decadent condition.

The Moors had lost all of Spain except the kingdom of Granada. The Moorish ruler
King Boabdil, was driven out of Spain by resurgent Christian forces of Ferdinand
And Isabella in the year that Columbus visited the new world.

The decline and fall of the Moorish Empire was a great setback to modern
Civilization. Had this great African culture been able to survive, the world
Would have been five hundred years more advanced than it is today.

So why would I or any Black person hate white people or anyone else?
Read the following books for who Black people are compared to the rest of
The world.

Introduction to African civilization by John G. Jackson.
The Moors in Spain by Stanley Lane Poole
Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James
Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams
African Glory by J.C. Degraft-Johnson
African people in world history by John Henrik Clarke
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