what is the difference.....

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by robbboy2003

I believe some folks get divine messages,while others hear voices,that are not for the right thing.

In my opinion. There are anointed people,are people with special gifts to lead spiritually. There's some people with a lot of meisms,that are playing spiritual,which is bad. The bigger question to me is should we pay more attention to people,who act as though they have a demon,or hell in them from time to time. It could really be a bad spirit,or possession there.

Well stated indeed.

Originally Posted by natirnr

Go to the closest city near you that has a French speaking or Spanish speaking African descent community. (Cause our roots folks down south is very secret)
Then go to the cultural council of that community, Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian, etc. and ask if
regarding french speaking; if you can sit in on a Voudun intiation, or healing ritual ceremony.
Then come back to the board and report what you see!!!!!!!!!!!!!(or what you experience).
Do the same for the Afro-Hispanic community; find out were the Santeria or Condomble' rituals are held and ask if you can sit in and then come back and report what you see.
Then if you are really not convinced
take some o that dough out the bank and go to any nation in the Motherland and go to the ministry of culture and say that you want to observe a traditional healing ritual, then come back to the board and report what you see.

You know I am suprised out my shoes how folks will go on and on about the visual aspects of African centered religion and the visual effects of the TRANCE STATE,; (I am not shamed of it and not scared of it the way your European friend is)that Harvard scientists have said that shamans have Made miraculous healings, from such rituals, regardless of religion! Pentecostal, Sufi, Yoruba, Akan or Zulu,
I do not have time to take any one out the house call a cab and take someone to an African ritual.
Get on a plane and see for yourself.
Or take a bus to a major city and participate if you REALLY want proof.
Giving you a book to read or a link to someones statitics, or me writing a mini thesis can't tell you that fire can burn or warm you, you got to experience it for yourself

You know a whole lot of folks didn't beleve in electricity, or microwaves 300 years ago too!

MY POINT IS MALCOM X SAID A TRITE DISCUSSION OF ATHEISM VS DEISM IS DIVISIVE TO OUR STRUGGLE,

but if you all want to drag this out, have fun! I can't hate you if that's the route you want to take.

Pay him no mid Madame, he re-directed and got caught. He tired to compare me to Europeans of 400 years ago, I said prove it. He went on a spew about visiting. It was non sense you know and I know, and this long post can not mask it. I supposed I could have blew the dust off my time machine and set it for 500 year ago and hop in. But I'm rather busy. Newbies always arrive at the site quite arrogant I've noticed. Hopefully he'll calm down, he seems to have a a lot to offer, be a shame every time he post it turns into him being condescending and the thread dying.

[Sumyr]

How do you come here and treat a long time member like she's an unlearned fool simply because she disagreed with you. That seems to be the norm with a lot of newbies these days.

Nyela, Your comments to Natirnr are so on point. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they aren't down for the cause. So many of us are so quick to banish blacks from our communities just because we disagree. I may post something to this regard a little later when I have more time.

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

Pay him no mid Madame, he re-directed and got caught. He tired to compare me to Europeans of 400 years ago, I said prove it. He went on a spew about visiting. It was non sense you know and I know, and this long post can not mask it. I supposed I could have blew the dust off my time machine and set it for 500 year ago and hop in. But I'm rather busy. Newbies always arrive at the site quite arrogant I've noticed. Hopefully he'll calm down, he seems to have a a lot to offer, be a shame every time he post it turns into him being condescending and the thread dying.

My fine featherd friend, if you knew the term VARIETIES OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE, OR STATES OF EXCTACY, you would not have made that sophomoric remark about what happens to some folks when they experience the Holy Ghost in a pentecostal Church.(rolling on the floor and foaming at the mouth)
you may be embarassed at that aspect of direct spiritual communication but we as African's have had that and more drastic visual actions in regard to the ecstatic state of Theurgy during a religious ritual , thousands of years before Christ
Now since you probably one of those spooked Saxoncenric negroes and all Harry potterfied and scared
to see someone kill a goat or a chicken, or a dove , drink the blood or have the blood sprinkled on them ,and then be "ridden" by ELEGUA, or OSHUN,
or OGUN, and be man enough to hear what that person says through the spirit,
just pick up any book by Catherine Dunham about here research on the religious experience in Haiti while she lived there, or any of several books by Joseph Campbell, or his DVD,
OR Zora Neale Hurston's works on religious anthropolgy, or a book entitled, "The Serpent and the Rainbow".

You see the trick you trying to pull is if I do give you a book or a web site, even if it is from someone Afrocentric;
you will say"aw that's just some stuff written by some racist white man" so baby I aint a going to fall for that one thats why I say it again, and again and again and again.

SEE FOR Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-F

You see I wonder if you know anything about African history either because the most important concept of the scientific process of research is OBSERVATION,( part of our stolen legacy!)
You aint got to be a Royal Arch to know that your college chemistry lab classes are based on the observation of the interactions of elements, and that the parent science was Alchemy. The goal of which was to turn lead into gold, not physicallybut spiritually thus transforming your tired>>>>
Some of you folks want us newbies to go on google and do all the research for you, but I aint mad at you brother, fact is let's have a glass of Green label Jack Daniels together and forget the whole thing, I'm buying.
And when I get to your state I will ask some of the local Santero's or Santera's, or Hoongun's to let you attend a HEALING RITUAL, OR INITIATION (not ceremony thank you) that is if you promise to behave yourself and not faint,

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by Nyela

Being down with the cause is not the issue here as far as I'm concerned. I commented because of the way you blasted MadamX for her comment. How do you come here and treat a long time member like she's an unlearned fool simply because she disagreed with you. That seems to be the norm with a lot of newbies these days. So, I have no agenda nor need to prove a thing to you my friend. Posting in the political activism forum does not an activist make. Shame on you for alluding to such. And since you took it upon yourself to pretend to know about me, know this. I don't participate in sparring. It's boring and pointless for me. So if you think you've found one to engage, think again. Find someone else to practice your skills on.
Welcome to AfroChat

But I still got love for you

[natirnr]

I meant no harm to no one on the board but when i feel that someone is trying to bash me for making a statement of facts, like I BEEN LOOKING AT TOO MCH HOLLYWOOD FICTION, I will defend myself and my position, and especially if someone is gonna call me a roach on a discussion board, even if they been a member for 85 years!
Like I said I did not join toflame war with no one but to see how we can get past our differences, RELIGIOUS, or otherwise;
for the common good of our people

Originally Posted by natirnr

My fine featherd friend, if you knew the term VARIETIES OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE, OR STATES OF EXCTACY, you would not have made that sophomoric remark about what happens to some folks when they experience the Holy Ghost in a pentecostal Church.(rolling on the floor and foaming at the mouth)
you may be embarassed at that aspect of direct spiritual communication but we as African's have had that and more drastic visual actions in regard to the ecstatic state of Theurgy during a religious ritual , thousands of years before Christ
Now since you probably one of those spooked Saxoncenric negroes and all Harry potterfied and scared
to see someone kill a goat or a chicken, or a dove , drink the blood or have the blood sprinkled on them ,and then be "ridden" by ELEGUA, or OSHUN,
or OGUN, and be man enough to hear what that person says through the spirit,
just pick up any book by Catherine Dunham about here research on the religious experience in Haiti while she lived there, or any of several books by Joseph Campbell, or his DVD,
OR Zora Neale Hurston's works on religious anthropolgy, or a book entitled, "The Serpent and the Rainbow".

You see the trick you trying to pull is if I do give you a book or a web site, even if it is from someone Afrocentric;
you will say"aw that's just some stuff written by some racist white man" so baby I aint a going to fall for that one thats why I say it again, and again and again and again.

SEE FOR Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-F

You see I wonder if you know anything about African history either because the most important concept of the scientific process of research is OBSERVATION,( part of our stolen legacy!)
You aint got to be a Royal Arch to know that your college chemistry lab classes are based on the observation of the interactions of elements, and that the parent science was Alchemy. The goal of which was to turn lead into gold, not physicallybut spiritually thus transforming your tired>>>>
Some of you folks want us newbies to go on google and do all the research for you, but I aint mad at you brother, fact is let's have a glass of Green label Jack Daniels together and forget the whole thing, I'm buying.
And when I get to your state I will ask some of the local Santero's or Santera's, or Hoongun's to let you attend a HEALING RITUAL, OR INITIATION (not ceremony thank you) that is if you promise to behave yourself and not faint,

Pentecostal isn't African. Do you read what you type.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

Pentecostal isn't African. Do you read what you type.

Obviously not. He's too busy inhaling his own brand of dogmatic thought laced under a cloud of while he types.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

Pay him no mid Madame, he re-directed and got caught. He tired to compare me to Europeans of 400 years ago, I said prove it. He went on a spew about visiting. It was non sense you know and I know, and this long post can not mask it. I supposed I could have blew the dust off my time machine and set it for 500 year ago and hop in. But I'm rather busy. Newbies always arrive at the site quite arrogant I've noticed. Hopefully he'll calm down, he seems to have a a lot to offer, be a shame every time he post it turns into him being condescending and the thread dying.

I couldn't agree with you more.

[natirnr]

That is why I made the post,
Why is it that..........