what is the difference.....

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

why? they both hear voices. they both see visions. they both believe in things we cannot see.
what is the difference? if somebody says they talk to god how do you know who is who?

Sometimes they even foam at the mouth and roll around on the floor.

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

Sometimes they even foam at the mouth and roll around on the floor.

That is exactly what the first European invaders to Africa said when they observed the religous rituals of the royalty of Dogon, Abbysinia, and Great Zimbabwe, Ghana, and AmaZulu,
100s of years ago,
you are absolutly right!!!!!

Originally Posted by natirnr

That is exactly what the first European invaders to Africa said when they observed the religous rituals of the royalty of Dogon, Abbysinia, and Great Zimbabwe, Ghana, and AmaZulu,
100s of years ago,
you are absolutly right!!!!!

Prove it. Refer me to a book or web link.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

I ponder that frequently.

Hmmm. Being that both overly religious and schizophrenic individual
can exhibit fanatic behavior, there may be an correlation in behavioral patterns.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

Prove it. Refer me to a book or web link.

Agreed. Sounds someone has been engaging in too much Hollywood fiction.

[The Dragon]

Chrisitians are notorious for hearing "the lord" talk to them. I was like this too when I was going to church. and have a co-worker who is always talking about how the lord told her this and that. Maybe..... but I tend to think that this is really their conscience dealing with them.

Most all, if not all religious and cultural beliefs talk about some entity communicating with them.

I wouldn't call them schizaphrenic simply because of this.

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Agreed. Sounds someone has been engaging in too much Hollywood fiction.

Go to the closest city near you that has a French speaking or Spanish speaking African descent community. (Cause our roots folks down south is very secret)
Then go to the cultural council of that community, Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian, etc. and ask if
regarding french speaking; if you can sit in on a Voudun intiation, or healing ritual ceremony.
Then come back to the board and report what you see!!!!!!!!!!!!!(or what you experience).
Do the same for the Afro-Hispanic community; find out were the Santeria or Condomble' rituals are held and ask if you can sit in and then come back and report what you see.
Then if you are really not convinced
take some o that dough out the bank and go to any nation in the Motherland and go to the ministry of culture and say that you want to observe a traditional healing ritual, then come back to the board and report what you see.

You know I am suprised out my shoes how folks will go on and on about the visual aspects of African centered religion and the visual effects of the TRANCE STATE,; (I am not shamed of it and not scared of it the way your European friend is)that Harvard scientists have said that shamans have Made miraculous healings, from such rituals, regardless of religion! Pentecostal, Sufi, Yoruba, Akan or Zulu,
I do not have time to take any one out the house call a cab and take someone to an African ritual.
Get on a plane and see for yourself.
Or take a bus to a major city and participate if you REALLY want proof.
Giving you a book to read or a link to someones statitics, or me writing a mini thesis can't tell you that fire can burn or warm you, you got to experience it for yourself

You know a whole lot of folks didn't beleve in electricity, or microwaves 300 years ago too!

MY POINT IS MALCOM X SAID A TRITE DISCUSSION OF ATHEISM VS DEISM IS DIVISIVE TO OUR STRUGGLE,

but if you all want to drag this out, have fun! I can't hate you if that's the route you want to take.

Originally Posted by natirnr

Go to the closest city near you that has a French speaking or Spanish speaking African descent community. (Cause our roots folks down south is very secret)
Then go to the cultural council of that community, Haitian, Cuban, Panamanian, etc. and ask if
regarding french speaking; if you can sit in on a Voudun intiation, or healing ritual ceremony.
Then come back to the board and report what you see!!!!!!!!!!!!!(or what you experience).
Do the same for the Afro-Hispanic community; find out were the Santeria or Condomble' rituals are held and ask if you can sit in and then come back and report what you see.
Then if you are really not convinced
take some o that dough out the bank and go to any nation in the Motherland and go to the ministry of culture and say that you want to observe a traditional healing ritual, then come back to the board and report what you see.

You know I am suprised out my shoes how folks will go on and on about the visual aspects of African centered religion and the visual effects of the TRANCE STATE,; (I am not shamed of it and not scared of it the way your European friend is)that Harvard scientists have said that shamans have Made miraculous healings, from such rituals, regardless of religion! Pentecostal, Sufi, Yoruba, Akan or Zulu,
I do not have time to take any one out the house call a cab and take someone to an African ritual.
Get on a plane and see for yourself.
Or take a bus to a major city and participate if you REALLY want proof.
Giving you a book to read or a link to someones statitics, or me writing a mini thesis can't tell you that fire can burn or warm you, you got to experience it for yourself

You know a whole lot of folks didn't beleve in electricity, or microwaves 300 years ago too!

MY POINT IS MALCOM X SAID A TRITE DISCUSSION OF ATHEISM VS DEISM IS DIVISIVE TO OUR STRUGGLE,

but if you all want to drag this out, have fun! I can't hate you if that's the route you want to take.

Voodoo was not purely African. Anyway your post seemed like an sophisticated manner of avoiding backing your point.
It can end here, I'm not really religious nor anti religion, so honestly the topic isn't very important to me.

[natirnr]

what in the hell is so damn sohisticated bout anyone getting off they hindparts and going to a real African ritual in their city or town, if you do't like voudoo go to Yoruba, if you don't like Yoruba goto Santeria if you dont like Santeria goto Candomble', like this here;;
see-fo-yo-self thing isso damn sophisticated?!.
I aint being evasive, just seem like you scared of what you mite see, (OR EXPERIENCE)
This Thanksgiving ask your elderly aunts and uncles bout roots,(and I aint talking bout the movie) or Obeah,
and see the expression on they face, then ask them to tell you astory or 2!

[afrocentric]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

between a deeply religious person and a schizophrenic...?

i don't know. but i do know that schizophrenic people can sit right next to you in church and act like a religious person. hell, we had one driving the churchbus.