I am a Black separatist because....?

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Who said that other women weren't beautiful? It is the beauty of these "other" women that are lifted up as a whole in THIS society to began with. I didn't start this ish.

What is wrong with wanting to preserve your ethnic bloodline? It is hard to explain the importance of this to a people who lost their culture and ethnic ties through slavery. I'm not trying to sway anyone over to my beleifs anyway. This is how I feel and I can't think of any reason more genuine than wanting to keep what is left our culture and physical attributes alive through homogenity.

I'm not talking about what America's Society does. America's Society has always been backwards and bias but I was talking about the position of typical arguments in interracial dating. There is only one "other" woman that gets prime time and she goes without saying.

As for the rest of it, heritage and culture are much more than just blood. Racial purity does not correlate with either one. As much as I enjoy my connection to the base of the African diaspora, what about the cultural achievements of my people here? I'm more than willing to reconnect to the motherland but not at the cost of countless men and women who did great things here.

Racial homogeneity has proven to consistently be one of the most dangerous mentalities displayed by human beings. There are way more worthwhile and decent ways to preserve us. Besides, the "threat" of interracial dating is way overblown.

To each their own though. Also, I was not knocking you for your beliefs I was just merely stating my mind on the matter.

[JABOOM]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Today during a discussion on a site I often visit, I was saying that I choose to date bm only and would teach my children to only date and marry Black people. For saying this I was accused of being a Black separatist, a racist, never going to find happiness in a relationship because I won't consider IR dating etc...

I was literally attacked. But the worst part of this is that this is a site that uplifts natural Black womens beauty and all the women who came at me were Black!! I was also attacked for saying that, if I had a Black boy child I would teach him the beauty of Black women and that we are attractive and worthy of admiration!!! I was told that I should teach MY child that all women were beautifull!

Mind you, the subject was originally about Black men desiring non-Black women and placing them on a pedestal over us. They had a problem with this but also have a problem with teaching our boys at a young age to put Black womans beauty on a pedestal I told them they were contradicting themselves. What is going on with us?

How does the NA fam feel about this subject? Do you feel that dating Black only makes you/me or anyone else a racist and a separatist?

First off

This is strange in and of itself. This doesn't make you a racist this just makes you smart and willing to take care and love your own. The women on that site have completely lost it. How can you on one level want to love yourself but then dont want to LOVE YOUR OWN. If you don't love your own people how can you love you?

This is a case of selfish self love, Nothing wrong with loving yourself but there is something wrong with ONLY loving yourself damning your people and bashing any one that cares for there own and wants to teach their children to do the same...............you sure that was a black site???

once again.......

[DBlack]

I'm not a separatist, at least not in the purist sense, but I do believe in dating and marrying our own. I do believe in building communities, businesses and infrastructure for our own. After all, White Amerikkka's infrastructure is not built for you and I.

Far as I'm concerned, blacks that come with that interracial garbage are either part white, or otherwise sold out to YT. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but you can bet those that fall for this kind of bull fall into one or both said categories.

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

What is wrong with wanting to keep my people and heritage alive? I don't have to get on the bandwagon of breeding Black children of the face of this earth.

100 years from now I want my predecessors to still be able to be considered American of African descent. I expect my great grandchildren to have some sort of resemblance to me and the father. I want my blood to stay strong..

Sis, you're preaching to the choir here. What you DECIDE is YOUR business, regardless of what others think. For when issues like this arise and generally are "no win" situations, it then becomes a "control" issue. I see this quite frequently, especially in black apologists. It is a real tragedy that so many of our black people have been brain-washed to "support" anyone and anything BUT our own! You can uplift and support anyone but your own ethnic group. And the cold reality is most other ethnic groups could give a less than a rat's arse about OUR people. No, I am no saying to slur other ethnic groups, but as black people we have failed dismally when it comes be BECOMING a cohesive group. Like I've referenced before, many of us are still arguing over what I've termed "stupid chit."
Black women do hold a historical allegiance to the black male--and if you want to embrace and support our brothers? "Do you." If you want your child(ren) to have cultural pride instilled in them? "Do that." For at the end of the day? Most people only prove continously what they really ARE--not with their mouths, but with their DEEDS. Be well.

[Nyela]

Originally Posted by Samoon

For when issues like this arise and generally are "no win" situations, it then becomes a "control" issue. I see this quite frequently, especially in black apologists. It is a real tragedy that so many of our black people have been brain-washed to "support" anyone and anything BUT our own! You can uplift and support anyone but your own ethnic group. And the cold reality is most other ethnic groups could give a less than a rat's arse about OUR people.

Well put. I completely agree!

[ardamus]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

I would be EXTREMELY upset and unhappy, but I would teach them from the youngest age that this is not acceptable and they are expected to find Black mates to keep our heritage strong. I would teach them their history and remind them constantly about this.

I would put into their minds that they owe this to the survival of their/our people.

All this would pretty much detour this possibility. Would I disown them? They would probably feel like I did. We must stand for something and be principled as Black people

Having pride about who you are and who your people and being racist against others is a difference. I think those often get blurred because some see having racial pride has to include bashing other races. That shouldn't be the case but others have definitely incorporated that into their way of thinking. And teahcing your children that is good thing as well as carrying on the heriatge. But you're not going to be able to control who they fall in love with and marry. You can definitely put some weight on the decision but when they're grown.....you won't be able to make that decision for them. If they are only marrying for the sake of heritage and not because of what they feel deep down, that could cause another black family to split and be broken. I don't think you're seperatist for wanting black people to believe in themselves and wanting them to carry the torch of your family. It may be an important thing to consider how to pass down that information of having racial pride and being racist towards others.

And don't disown them or make them feel like it. I only say that because the selfish side of what you want will show and that could cause problems. But good topic though. Thanx for posting this.

[The Dragon]

@Gorilla

"Racial homogeneity has proven to consistently be one of the most dangerous mentalities displayed by human beings. There are way more worthwhile and decent ways to preserve us. ."

How is this mentality "dangerous" and what are the "better" ways (per you) to "perserve" us?

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

@Gorilla

"Racial homogeneity has proven to consistently be one of the most dangerous mentalities displayed by human beings. There are way more worthwhile and decent ways to preserve us. ."

How is this mentality "dangerous" and what are the "better" ways (per you) to "perserve" us?

For the first part, observe the history of human beings filled with examples of its destructive obsession.

For the second part, continue to pass on our legacy regardless on the merits of a person's heart and not the "purity" of their blood. Plenty of groups of people out there maintain culture across notions of "race".

There are some more direct methods and tangible, of course. Patron black business, get your hands dirty volunteering, get involved with your local community, find a cause and get behind it, use whatever talents you can to help improve conditions, start a black library, and any of the countless other sustainable things which lead to true lasting prosperity and and a person can conceive of doing.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Gorilla

For the first part, observe the history of human beings filled with examples of its destructive obsession.

For the second part, continue to pass on our legacy regardless on the merits of a person's heart and not the "purity" of their blood. Plenty of groups of people out there maintain culture across notions of "race".

There are some more direct methods and tangible, of course. Patron black business, get your hands dirty volunteering, get involved with your local community, find a cause and get behind it, use whatever talents you can to help improve conditions, start a black library, and any of the countless other sustainable things which lead to true lasting prosperity and and a person can conceive of doing.

It would have helped it you gave some valid examples to back up your claims. What group of people maintain culture across notions of "race" which does not exist anyway?

Every other culture values keeping the culture and the people therein "alive" so to speak. That is why most are hell bent against "mixing."

Black folks need to get off this "we are the world," and this "rainbow coalition" crap if we want to survive as a people.

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

It would have helped it you gave some valid examples to back up your claims. What group of people maintain culture across notions of "race" which does not exist anyway?

Every other culture values keeping the culture and the people therein "alive" so to speak. That is why most are hell bent against "mixing."

Black folks need to get off this "we are the world," and this "rainbow coalition" crap if we want to survive as a people.

I don't believe race really exists either but it seems to be the issue with interracial dating. And, you've made it a point that you desire racial homogeneity but you believe that race does not exist?

Examples of cultures that span across race and continue to pass down their culture: South America has plenty of examples. You can classify whether or not they're "hell bent on mixing" on your own.

I guess pigeonholing people, interracial couples for genuine reasons, their resulting children (which are really a low percentage), and holding onto out dated notions are much easier than doing any real work.

Its been interesting, as always.