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Old January 13th, 2005, 11:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is this the only way the situation could have been handled?

And will this stop this woman from doing drugs or having children

Wednesday, January 05, 2005

Judge Orders Drug Addict to Stop Having Children.
A judge in Rochester, NY has ordered a drug-addicted woman to not have anymore children.

The 31-year-old mother, identified in court papers only as Judgette W., lost custody of her children, ranging in age from eight months to 12 years, in child-neglect hearings dating back to 2000. Six are in foster care at state expense and one lives with an aunt.

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O'Connor said she was not forcing contraception or sterilization on the mother, who had children with seven different men, nor requiring her to get an abortion should she become pregnant. But she warned that the woman could be jailed for contempt if she has another child.
Here comes the local civil liberties group, on cue.
The New York Civil Liberties Union maintained that the opinion cannot be enforced because it "tramples on a fundamental right -- the right to procreate."

"There is no question the circumstances of this case are deeply troubling," said the group's executive director, Donna Lieberman. "But ordering a woman under threat of jail not to have any more babies ... puts the court squarely in the bedroom. And that's no place for the government."
Also no place for the government is the use of taxpayer money to support the child-bearing habits of a drug-addicted mother. At some point consequences need to be introduced. This mother has put her kids at risk and will continue to do so unless shown some consequences. I mean, it's one thing to put yourself at risk, but when your behavior jeopardizes the health of others, especially children, someone's got to step in. What the civil liberties union is essentially saying is that drug-addict mothers are entitled to having us, the taxpayers, fund the upbringing of their children -- and future children -- until they are healthy and stable enough to care for them, which could be never.

Another question for the New York Civil Liberties Union: what makes you think it's our fundamental right to procreate? Does this go for everybody? Does a serial killer in prison serving several life sentences have the "fundamental right" to procreate? Must the wardens temporarily let him out or supply a doublewide whenever he wants to participate in the life-making process?

Better yet, if I want to have a baby, is it my right that you -- woman -- bear it? Even if you don't want to?

Does a couple have the right to procreate if they know their genetics guarantee their offspring will have some debilitating illness or retardation?

With respect to the addict-mother above, it's not so much a procreation issue as it is a criminal issue.

www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/05/children.ruling.ap


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti.../5/91117.shtml


apnews.myway.com/article/20050105/D87DMCL80.html
www.michnews.net/Drug_Abuse
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Old January 13th, 2005, 12:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont know but I think this was a good way to handle it.

1. ON CRACK
2. 7 KIDS
3. 7 MEN
4. 31 YEARS OLD
5. 6 KIDS IN FOSTER CARE

I DONT FEEL SORRY FOR THIS WOMAN I FEEL SORRY FOR THE KIDS SHE KEEPS HAVING THEN ABANDONING FOR DRUGS AND MEN.

GOOD JOB JUDGE THE ACLU DOESNT ALWAYS DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
 
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Old January 13th, 2005, 12:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I dont know but I think this was a good way to handle it.

1. ON CRACK
2. 7 KIDS
3. 7 MEN
4. 31 YEARS OLD
5. 6 KIDS IN FOSTER CARE

I DONT FEEL SORRY FOR THIS WOMAN I FEEL SORRY FOR THE KIDS SHE KEEPS HAVING THEN ABANDONING FOR DRUGS AND MEN.

GOOD JOB JUDGE THE ACLU DOESNT ALWAYS DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
Its not fair for her to bring these children into such a situation :mad:
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Old January 13th, 2005, 12:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Somewhere on another board, I posted an article where a man was being sued for child support for his kids (I think he had 5 by a few different women). The judge gave him the option of spending time in jail for his child support in arrears or getting a vasectomy. He chose the latter and I think people who abuse their natural right this way should be given the same option.

This will not keep people from doing drugs or having babies when they shouldn't. That's like saying Capital Punishment is a deterrant for capital crimes.
 
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Old January 13th, 2005, 12:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That option originata posted sounds good for this case!!

I was gonna say that it is a dangerous trend to set to ban someone from having kids....people can be unfairly targeted....but at the same time, there really are people who should not be having kids. This is a tough one.

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Old January 13th, 2005, 01:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...04-295727.html

Here is the article. The judge was offering the vasectomy option to men who had at least 4 children by 3 different women and owed more than $10,000 is child support.

I think men and women should be given this option.
 
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I think men and women should be given this option.
^I agree...

That will stop them from having more kids for real
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Old January 13th, 2005, 02:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Well, it doesn't make much sense to jail her after having another baby because that won't work. If the mother can't or won't make a change in her life for the sake of the kids she has now, why would she change for another child?

Holding her in contempt and putting her in jail after having another child does nothing but put another child in the foster care system. I don't agree with the judges ruling. If this lady is addicted to drugs...that is what she needs help overcoming. She has problems and jail is not the solution.

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Old January 13th, 2005, 03:34 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, it doesn't make much sense to jail her after having another baby because that won't work. If the mother can't or won't make a change in her life for the sake of the kids she has now, why would she change for another child?

Holding her in contempt and putting her in jail after having another child does nothing but put another child in the foster care system. I don't agree with the judges ruling. If this lady is addicted to drugs...that is what she needs help overcoming. She has problems and jail is not the solution.



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Old January 13th, 2005, 04:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I personally think that doing drugs and having too much unprotected sex with too many different partners, has nothing to do with the fact that she is on drugs. I would go for it if someone said she has two different problems but one problem is not causing the other, so I think treating only one would really and truly not help the situation at all.

Putting another kid in foster care would be a bad thing for them but it would be worse if they were with this lady, she may love them as her kids but there is no way she can take care of them drugs or not. In fact I be the lady was relieved to hear it so next time one of her partners is trying to hae sex unprotected she may say I cant or I will go to jail.

I still dont feel bad for her and if I was the judge I might have thrown dat *** in jail from the get go, ya feez me
 
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