How Can We Fix This Mess?

[Istlota]

I have been flowing recently with the challenge of what to do to end the current war against civilians being waged by terrorists -- and I am talking about both Islamic and Western state terrorists.

Seriously, what can we do to fix this?

White folks kicked it off with their self-serving support of the apartheid regime of Israel - I get that. And, I get that they perpetuate it with their war for oil which has been misnamed the war on terrorism. But, we could all gripe about White Folks devilment for the next ten years and not change a thing. We have a duty, I sense --if for no other reason than that White folks sho ain't going to do it -- to fix this mess they created.

Millions of displaced refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia.

Taliban, and Taliban look-alikes, blowing themselves up and every man, woman, boy, or girl near them just to kill maybe one of two American soldiers.

Then, in retaliation, since it is impossible to distinguish, by sight, a Taliban fighter from a civilian -- American and coalition gang-bangers are doing what amounts to drive-bys -- wasting civilians and Taliban alike.

NATO looking into civilian death reports - Boston.com

So many civilians getting caught in the crossfire. This has to stop. And, only we, if anyone -- we sane black folks in the belly of the beast -- can fix this.

The Human Cost: The Consequences of Insurgent Attacks in Afghanistan

[robbboy2003]

Originally Posted by Istlota

I have been flowing recently with the challenge of what to do to end the current war against civilians being waged by terrorists -- and I am talking about both Islamic and Western state terrorists.

Seriously, what can we do to fix this?

White folks kicked it off with their self-serving support of the apartheid regime of Israel - I get that. And, I get that they perpetuate it with their war for oil which has been misnamed the war on terrorism. But, we could all gripe about White Folks devilment for the next ten years and not change a thing. We have a duty, I sense --if for no other reason than that White folks sho ain't going to do it -- to fix this mess they created.

Millions of displaced refugees from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia.

Taliban, and Taliban look-alikes, blowing themselves up and every man, woman, boy, or girl near them just to kill maybe one of two American soldiers.

Then, in retaliation, since it is impossible to distinguish, by sight, a Taliban fighter from a civilian -- American and coalition gang-bangers are doing what amounts to drive-bys -- wasting civilians and Taliban alike.

NATO looking into civilian death reports - Boston.com

So many civilians getting caught in the crossfire. This has to stop. And, only we, if anyone -- we sane black folks in the belly of the beast -- can fix this.

The Human Cost: The Consequences of Insurgent Attacks in Afghanistan

It's not just because of the oil bro. I wish there was a leader that could honestly tell us why we are there,and why we will continue to be in these places and a few more places in the Middle East. Somebody, that can articulate this on my,or a common persons level please explain this to me!

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Peace!

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by robbboy2003

It's not just because of the oil bro. I wish there was a leader that could honestly tell us why we are there,and why we will continue to be in these places and a few more places in the Middle East. Somebody, that can articulate this on my,or a common persons level please explain this to me!

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Peace!

No apology necessary. A Think Tank should be open to any and all thoughttul responses.

The leader you are waiting for is you
Most of our existing non-politician leaders are philosophically aligned with one of the two major political parties. And, both parties, elephants and donkeys alike, are part of the problem. And, our politician leaders? Our VP is the ex-CEO of Halliburton. Our Prez is the fortunate son of an ex-Nazi oil family. Hillary and Edwards both voted to give W. his war-without-end powers. I am personally convinced Obama would have voted the same way if he had been in a position to do so. Waiting on a a leader is a strategy that will guarantee more of the same bull-manure. We have to become leaders. "We Ourselves".

Yes, it is all about oil
I have heard people say "it" is also about establishing new military bases in the region -- in particular, to replace our bases in Saudi Arabia where the royal family is just one well-planned assassination away from a repeat of what happened to the Shah of Iran. But, even with that motive, you have to admit that the reason the US wants military bases in that region is because that is where the oil is. Think like a war planner thinks -- like a true son of Set. You already control Saudi Arabian oil via the royal family's greed. The next two important oil bearing Arab nations to conquer are Iraq and Iran. Fortunately, Iran is, geographically, right smack dab in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan. So, a plan emerges:

1) Manufacture, or at least allow, a catastrophic event [911] on American soil to convince the sheeple (sheep-people) to agree to sending their sons to fight in a trans-global war to steal all the oil that currently belongs to Arabs. It has to be a catastrophic event, on American soil, because people have to be convinced that the huge losses of GI lives are necessary. The goal here is the same one that drove the colonization of the African continent, i.e., to steal other people's resources and put it into the pockets of a handful of godless, immoral, rich, demonic men.

2) Invade Afghanistan which is immediately to the east of Iran.

3) Invade Iraq which is immediately to the west of Iran.

4) Launching strikes from the Persian Gulf, and your two new sets of military bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, grab the brass ring - Iran.

Voila, a Destroyer's wet dream -- you now control all the oil that used to belong to Arabs.

We are NOT fighting terrorism
Taliban violence in our world has increased since the Afghanistan invasion of 2001. They kill more Americans than ever. And, we, in our cloud of denial, even speed up the process by flying Americans to where the Taliban lives and prospers -- Afghanistan and now, thanks to ill-conceived policies, Iraq. The Taliban doesn't have to figure out a way to to hijack a few planes of Americans on U.S. soil. No, now, we deliver! We'll put American targets on planes and fly them to where the Taliban lives.

The presence of U.S. troops in that region only increases the ranks of insurgent organizations. Every time U.S. soldiers blow up an Afghan civilian's mud brick home:

NATO airstrike kills 9, official says - South and Central Asia - MSNBC.com

or murder an 52 year old Iraqi civilian and throw his body in a hole:

cbs5.com - Sailor: Camp Pendleton Marines Killed Iraqi Man

or rape a 15 year old Iraqi girl and then murder her, her mama, her daddy, and her 7 year old sister:

Ex-G.I. Held in 4 Slayings and Rape in Iraq - New York Times

these events are extensively covered, with pictures and eyewitness reports, on Arabic news outlets. Such events are infinitely more effective recruiting tools for the insurgents than those video arcade style ads the US military is currently cycling thru the major networks.

But, none of these contradictions matter because fighting terrorism is not, and never was, the goal. The goal all along has been to steal Arab oil and give it to a handful of godless, immoral, rich, demonic men.

Solutions?
Only we, the sane ones among the Family of Man, we whose eyes have been opened to allow us to see the madness of what is transpiring -- we are the ONLY beings walking around on this planet who would even try to fix this mess..

So, again the question. How do we fix this mess?

[robbboy2003]

Thank you Istlota! That was a very detailed and logical explanation for this governments main interest in the Middle East.

As for the solution. I think the only thing we can do is talk or communicate with Muslims from that area as common human beings and pray that the so called leaders that are coming after this adminstration will use deploymency rather than lying,and recognize a universal law of things. You can not have every nations resources,even if you desire them. Peace and thanks!

[UglymanCometh]

The best way for us to clean our hands of this mess would be to withdraw all support from Israel and to recognize Palestine as a nation-state.

But don't hold your breath.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by UglymanCometh

The best way for us to clean our hands of this mess would be to withdraw all support from Israel and to recognize Palestine as a nation-state.

But don't hold your breath.

I couldn't help but notice that you suggested BOTH what the US says it wants and what the US says it will not do. The US says it wants a separate Palestinian state, but the US also, consistently and often, pledges its unwavering commitment to continue to bankroll/arm Israel. And, even though the US says it wants a separate Palestinian state, what it has in mind is a vassal state, something along the lines of a Qatar. On paper, Qatar is a independent nation. But, for all practical purposes, it is an unofficial U.S. territory. The US wants a separate Palestinian state that is no more than a vassal state of Israel.

Our (the US) government is hopelessly corrupt and evil. It is a waste of time and energy to seek to convince our elected officials to behave in a responsible manner. But, even our government must bow to the will of the majority of American citizens. That, I think, is perhaps our challenge -- to find a strategy to convince a majority of all fellow Americans that what they think are their informed opinions about the world around them are, in reality, carefully and painstakingly programmed illusions fed to them via movies, TV, newspapers, radio, and preachers.

[UglymanCometh]

The problems here are 1.) the eons old link between Israel's judeo-christiantic beliefs and history and the United States' neo-christian policies and 2.) the newer war against terrorism a.k.a. the war against Islam/the desire for Middle East economic conquest.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by UglymanCometh

The problems here are 1.) the eons old link between Israel's judeo-christiantic beliefs and history and the United States' neo-christian policies and 2.) the newer war against terrorism a.k.a. the war against Islam/the desire for Middle East economic conquest.

If only American Christians could be talked into researching the actual history of their faith and of Judaism, their support for Israel would rapidly dissipate.

1) Most of the white Jews running Israel are, as Ashkenazis, not pure descendants of the original 12 tribes.

2) Many of the Palestinians happen to be, not only Christians, but descendants of people who physically walked the earth with Jesus and followed his teachings. For American Christians to arm and bankroll descendants of Japheth in their demonic quest to run the sons of Shem out of the holy land is the height of hypocrisy.

3) A century ago, the ancestors of most of the Palestinians in our world lived in the Holy Land. By contrast, a century ago, the ancestors of most of the Ashkenazis in our world lived in Europe or America.

4) The name, Semite, implies a descendant of Shem, one of Noah's three sons. But, Ashkenazis are sons of Japheth who, relatively recently, converted to Judaism. As a matter of fact, the word Ashkenaz is a medieval Hebrew name that means Germany:

Ashkenazi -- Encyclopaedia Britannica

5) The bible explicitly describes Ashkenaz as a son of Japheth, not Shem. Noah begat Japheth, who begat Gomer, who begat Ashkenaz (Genesis 10:1-3).

6) Some other sons of Japheth are mentioned in the bible as Gog and Magog. According to the prophet Ezeziel, Gomer, Gog and Magog, and other sons of Japheth would lead military assaults against "unarmed villages" in Israel [Ezekiel chapter 38]. This is EXACTLY the sort of devilment the Ashkenazis, and their Japhetic relatives from Europe and America, are currently committing against Palestinian villages. There is this great documentary entitled "Iron Wall" which has footage showing gangs of settlers beating up lone Palestinians while Israeli soldiers either stand around and do nothing or, even worse, join in the fray. It is pretty much an identical scene to those in the 60s showing gangs of white Americans beating up black non-violent, unarmed, civil rights marchers. This has been the modus operandi of far too many of the sons of Japheth. Other footage in the documentary shows Israeli soldiers admitting they were ordered to open fire into Palestinian neighbors that offered no resistance to them whatsoever.

7) If one is religiously inclined to believe God's Chosen People should run Israel, then the only fair method to determine who that would be is as the Apostle Paul did:

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, and in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The sons of Japheth have put their faith, not in Jehovah or Yeshua, but in nuclear missiles, tanks, F-16s, and cluster bombs. They are, spiritually, the descendants of their father, the devil --- not Abraham.

[ColdSoul]

Stop voting for thse bastards is the only answer.

Israel is a colonizing body; neither the bible nor can the torah or the guilty Europeans make it a rightful state. I can’t believe that argument the Zionist us to legalize their position and murder, it so absurd.

Back to the original question, terrorism, how I detest that concept and all its connotations. The terrorist I see is the everyday killing of millions of people in their own land and homes to justify his own feelings superiority and righteousness, American government. I see no Taliban or Bin’ladan,it is just a character created to brainwash ppl into believing there is an enemy and justify the killing for material power.
This obsession that the Americans and Britain have with the Middle East is the old feelings of ‘white superiority’ re-emerging, only this time its under the disguise of democracy and 'peace' before it was ‘civilizing’.

[Istlota]

I do not see how the ballot box can be an effective tool for change. It probably was, at one time. But, now, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils".

Our choices at the ballot box are so lame. We can vote for a democrat who supports US aid to Israel. Or, we can vote for a republican who supports US aid to Israel. Or, we can vote for a independent who has no chance in hell of winning any office above local politics unless he supports US aid to Israel.

A few minutes ago, I was reading an AFP news story that talks about how some congressmen got together and prevented Bush from giving any more foreign aid to Saudi Arabia.

Channelnewsasia.com

The reason they did this was primarily because of Saudi support of Hamas, which is substantial. I do not support the violent methods of Hamas anymore than those of the US military. But, if these politicians had any integrity, any honor, they would be fighting US aid to Israel. Israel kills more people than Hamas and Hezbollah put together. Israel is able to do this because of all the fighter jets, cluster bombs, attack helicopters, anti-tank missiles, and other arms sold to them by the US. Which would be bad enough in and of itself. But, what is even worse is that Israel pays for those weapons with U.S. foreign aid, your and my tax dollars, that our sad excuse for politicians, donkeys and elephants alike, proudly allocate to them.