The N-Word

[darkreign]

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Man, all ya'll ni99az sensitive....lol! I don't care, get mad if you want. I say ni99a and don't really care who likes it. Hell yeah it's a double standard. What people don't understand is that we made it a double standard because everything else was a double standard against us back in the day.

We know, it shows. I say this because you come on a black, positive, progressively thinking board and call yourself and other blacks this vile and disrespectful word even though we expressed our distaste for it. You really need to check yourself.

No one has attacked you for your embracement of this word or you defining yourself as this, but yet you attack those who choose to think more respectfully of themselves and other blacks by not using this word themselves or calling another black this word.

You labeling us “sensitive” b\c we have chosen a path of respect and positive thinking is the same irrationality as whites claiming we are crying when we complain about second class treatment. Everything is quiet and peaceful as long as we are willing to accept an inferior status.

You need to ask yourself why are you attacking us and fighting with tooth and nail to hold on to this pejorative term that was/is used to degrade blacks

Read and consider the content of your post. It’s full of malice, spite, and profanity and unsound reasoning; b\c you interjected the notion that blacks say it b\c “we don’t understand” and b\c of the double standards we faced in the past. Sorry, but I don’t know of any dialog that blacks had and then concluded that this would be the reason we would use to call ourselves this.



White folk could say whateva to us and do whateva but when we did it, our a$$ got lynched or str8 fvcked up.

And this is relevent how? We are talking about the usage, acceptance, and etymology of the word.

Don't get mad at those of us who use it because you know yo' a$$ still says it even in your head...call me ig'nant or whateva you want, but i'm still a ni99a to all my ni99az...and still a ni99er to all them honkeys....but guess what? So are you, whether you like it or not.

No one is mad, and I don’t say it in my head. It’s a matter of garbage in, garbage out. You can’t rise above the dreck if you continue to immerce yourself in it.
You and your attitude is nothing new. Back in slavery times they had blacks snitching on other blacks for trying to read or plotting to runaway. In MLK’s time, you had blacks too shun him b\c he was upsetting the apple cot, and some black even spoke against X for his views; and here you are; on this black board in the year 2006 being combative, belligerent, and very disrespectful and why?

all b\c we don’t and won’t embrace the “n” word the same as you.

Peace!!!

[Samoon]

@ dark reign--"beautiful post. I could not have said it better myself. I whole-heartedly agree with you." After all...referencing the "N" word..."you can't make chicken salad out of chicken chit." :whistling

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

My problem is the black people that get upset with white people for saying it. How can you get upset with someone for saying something, you say all the time. Yeah, I understand it's coming from a white person and they shouldn't say it, but if it hurts you to hear them say it, why speak it yourself. My thing is, you can't correct somebody when you're wrong yourself.

This is the same pathetic argument White's try to use to justify calling us Nikkerz!

We've had this debate in the past and my views haven't changed one bit: What you choose to allow your colleagues, associates and friends is your choice. If someone outside your circle uses it and you find it inappropriate, that is fine as well. Amerikkka is full of subcultures, subclasses and entities, all with their own language/slang within the english language. What one word means for one, is totally different from another.

People should respect others' choice of words they chose to use to communicate with and expect the same in return.

If the word N* is so negative to anyone, perhaps they should work on not giving a word so much power. Words only have the weight, power and influence we give them...period.

[Celeste]

Righteous and true darkreign, DBlack...it's so simple, really.
We own the word. We bled for it. Suffered and died for it. Sometimes the last word we heard while we twisted at the end of a rope.
It belongs to us now to use as we please. Just another part of our culture White folks can't control. We also own every derogatory word ever thrown at us. And we own the beautiful words too--- the healing words of hope and power: "Sister", "Brother", "Sistah", "Brothah", "girl" , "gurlfriend", "all y'all", "crib", "homegirl", "homie", every shizzle, every jazz riff becoming language becoming poetry becoming song--- we claim it all. With pride. It's our birthright.

Dig it.

Originally Posted by MzKwietStorm

My problem is the black people that get upset with white people for saying it. How can you get upset with someone for saying something, you say all the time. Yeah, I understand it's coming from a white person and they shouldn't say it, but if it hurts you to hear them say it, why speak it yourself. My thing is, you can't correct somebody when you're wrong yourself.

Think of it this way Storm: you know how you can talk all kinds of mess about your own family (my crazy cousin this and my fool brother that), but if someone outside the family starts talking about your own it becomes a problem? Well that's the dynamic here, re: the "N" word. We're a family. It's a family word. Used within the family it has an entirely different flavor and intention. Cause no matter how bad I talk about my family, I still love them more than anything in the world. Therein lies the difference.
Just my opinion. Hope it helps.

Let me be clear: I don't use the word in my personal life (surprise!!!). It's not spoken in my home on a regular basis by visitors, etc. But I understand the nuance of its use within the Black experience. I support our right to own the word, own its power, and use it or not according to our personal tastes. I don't feel it's at all necessary to explain or defend its use to anyone outside the collective Black family.
Peace.

[Samoon]

"If the word N* is so negative to anyone, perhaps they should work on not giving a word so much power. Words only have the weight, power and influence we give them...period."

@ Black: My point exactly. The word ONLY has power if one uses or acknowledges it.
These are really the two operatives here--either you use and/or respond to it, or you don't. It's just that simple. You are correct, the word is given wayyyy too much power. I prefer to look at one in silence and like they are stupid. Then, "they get it." But this is just 'Samoon's opinion. Everyone else, "do you." The only person that can be controlled is YOU. It stops there and that is all that one CAN do. Unless another is receptive to hearing your position on it and perhaps re-thinking their perspective (shrugging).

[Trej27]

N-G-R, NETYR, NIGER, NEGRO, "******," NIGGA, THE ORIGIN OF A SACRED WORD


The racist (white supremacist) term "******", a derivative of the original name for God, "N-G-R"(pronounced "Net-ger") is continually used and taken to insult. The term "******" has its origins in the sacred and divine title for "God," and came from the Egyptian WORD FOR GOD. That word is "Net-yer" or "Net-ger" from which the English terms "nature" and "nurture" came from. The idea of God being nature and nature being God, comes from the African and Egyptian idea of what God is which shows down to the similarities in the terms used to describe aspects of the Godhead.

THE SACRED "N" IN THE AFRICAN AND AFRO-ASIATIC LANGUAGES

The letter "N" is one of the most important prefixes in the African, Afro-Asiatic, Indo-Negroid, Negro-Australoid, Melanesian, Australian Aborigine, Austric, Kong-San (Bushmanoid), Sudroid languages. In fact, the sacred "N" as in "Ni-han" (Rising Sun) OR "NG" as in "ChaNG," (ChaNGo in Manding-Congo), "Ndong" in Vietnamese (Ndongo (Angolan Kingdom) in African Manding-Congo languages) is also found in both Chinese and Japanese. In fact ancient Chinese, Vietnamese, South Indian, SriLankan, Melanesian, Australian Aboriginal and modern Japanese show strong similarities to Bantu (proto-historic Sahara, Niger-Congo), languages (see "African Presence Early Asia," by Ivan Van Sertima and Runoko Rashidi) See also the works of Clyde A. Winters also go to The GLOBAL AFRICAN PRESENCE - Articles by Runoko Rashidi

The letter "N" is also the word that denotes any title pertaining to human beings. In fact in Bantu or Niger-Congo and Cushic languages, the letter "N" is found as the first letter in many names. For example the name "Ndaba," = "counsil" while the name "Ndabaningi" is the first name of Africans in region thereof.

HOW THE WORD FOR GOD, "N-G-R" (Net-ger) became Niger, Negro and "******"

The ancient Egyptians called their Pharaohs "N-G-R" (Net-ger) because the Egyptian Pharaoh was seen as a representation of the sun and the Sun God. The original Pharaohs who were pure Black Africans SAW BLACK SKIN AS SACRED AND A DIRECT BLESSING FROM THE SUN GOD, ATEN. In fact Blackness and black skin became associated with God and the sun. BLACK PEOPLE WERE POWERFUL, CULTURALLY ADVANCED, MILITARILY SUPERIOR, BLACK/DARKBROWN IN COMPLEXION, STRONG STATURE, TALL AND DESCRIBED AS A "HANDSOME" RACE , (SEE HERODOTUS, "THE HISTORIES, DESCRIPTIONS OF "ETHIOPIANS" OF AFRICA AND SOUTH INDIA).

The recognition of the Pharaoh as a living God and the black skin as a blessing spread worldwide to other cultures. In fact the term "Net-ger" became the Ethiopian "Negus" or "Negashi."

In the Sudroid (Indo-Negroids of India) languages of India, which are part of the Cushite branch of the African languages, the term "Naga" denotes original or first. In fact, in ancient India, the people with the blackest skins were respected and held to igh esteem, unlike today where the racist (white supremacist), colonialist and alien concept of "varna" or caste color racism places Sudroids, Indo-Negroids, Black Tribals, Dalits, Negro-Australoids and other BLACKS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF iNDIAN SOCIETY.

The term "Ngola" (Angola) means "King" in the Angolan languages. This term was mistaken by the Portugese to mean the DESCRIBE "Ndongo," the kingdom.

The first people to corrupt the term "N-G-R" were the Roman invaders of Egypt who may have heard the term used to describe the leader of Egypt or Nubia. The term "Niger" was later used to mean any Black/Negroid person that the Romans saw in Africa or anywhere else.

The Romans tried to invade Nubia during the early years of the Christian Era. Then, Nubia-Kush was ruled by a line of Queens called "Ka'andak'es (Candace). One such queen and her son defeated the Roman army at Aswan, Egypt and burned the Roman Fort. AND CARRIED THE BRONZE HEAD OF ROMAN EMPEROR AGUSTUS TO THE CUSHITE (NUBIAN) CITY OF NAPATA. The Romans colonized and spread the Latin language to Europe. Due to this linguistic influence, the Latin term "Niger" became "Negre" in French and "Negro" in Spanish.

The English colonialists and slave entity borrowed the term "Negro" from the Spanish. The term for Black people in England before Shakespeare was "Moor" or "Black-a-Moor." The English slave owners degraded and defiled the entire name by turning the Negro into a slave and turning the original term "Ned-ger" or "God" into the racist (white supremecist) term "******." One can say that they have insulted the sacred name for "God" and have oppressed the original people created by God. This phenomena is due to their own sense of inferiority.

LIST OF NAMES FROM THE ORIGINAL TERM FOR "GOD" AND "NEGRO/BLACK"

N-G-R (net-ger) Ancient Egyptian for God

Net-tyr (Net-ger) Khemitic/ancient Egyptian = God, Sacred, Nature

Net-tyr (Net-ger)

Negus (Nee-goos) Ethiopian term for "Emperor."

Negashi (Nee-gah-shee) Ethiopian term for "Emperor or King."

Niger: Roman/Latin term for Black or Negro

Negre: French for Negro or Black

Negro: Spanish for Black

"******" racist (white supremecist), corrupted term used to insult, degrade, enfuriate.

Nigga: (pronounced "nig-gah), used as a term of endearment by some youth; rejected by others as sounding too close to the racist (white supremecist) term "******."

Netzer (as in Nazerine) Hebrew for "root, original)

Naga (South Indian and African term) (Black Negro tribes of India and Africa - Sudan to Nigeria) = original

Nagaloka - The Black Negro, Negro-Australoid, Indo-Negroid/Sudroid lands and people in Asia (India to Indonesia) (see more from the book, "Nagaloka,' by M. Gopinath (Dalit Sahitya Akademy, Bangalore, India) also see "A History of Racism and Terrorism, and Overcoming,".

Ndaba (Manding-Congo/South Africa) = A counsil of wise people, kings, chiefs, ect.

Ngola (Manding-Congo) = "King/Lord"

Nkosi = God (Zulu, South Africa)

Ngosi = blessing (Ibo, Nigeria)

Nyamekye = God's Gift (Akan, Ghana)

Nile (Egypt, Sacred River)

Niger (West Africa; Sacred River)

Niger (country in West Africa)

Nigeria (country in West Africa)

Nugarmatta: Term used by Africans of Ghana Empire to call themselves (see writings of Ibn Buttata -- National Geographic Magazine

So this is the true story and origins of the "N" word. NEVER FORGET THAT THE WORD "******" CAME FROM THE KHEMITE/EGYPTIAN TERM FOR "GOD" AND AND THAT WORD IS "N-G-R" OR "NET-GER."

See also "A Nation of Ventriloquist Dummies":
XIA Dynasty, Shang Yin Dynasty

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

This is the same pathetic argument White's try to use to justify calling us Nikkerz!

We've had this debate in the past and my views haven't changed one bit: What you choose to allow your colleagues, associates and friends is your choice. If someone outside your circle uses it and you find it inappropriate, that is fine as well. Amerikkka is full of subcultures, subclasses and entities, all with their own language/slang within the english language. What one word means for one, is totally different from another.

People should respect others' choice of words they chose to use to communicate with and expect the same in return.

If the word N* is so negative to anyone, perhaps they should work on not giving a word so much power. Words only have the weight, power and influence we give them...period.

Case Closed.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Samoon

[b]The only person that can be controlled is YOU. It stops there and that is all that one CAN do. Unless another is receptive to hearing your position on it and perhaps re-thinking their perspective

Speak on Sista Samoon. My indivual mind power should reign supreme if one is in control of themselves.

[Juice.]

I'm disappointed with nearly every response in this thread with the exception of DBlack.

Look at the change of context when two Black people call each other the name used by whites to demoralize them. That hateful context no longer exists - because the hateful context existed almost exclusively in the mouths of whites. It is this malice which does not exist when 'nigga' leaves the mouth of a Black person.

When Blacks use the word 'nigga', it is a way of embracing our past and relishing in our similarities. It is a recognition that we are in the same struggle. People from the Carribean, from American, and from places like Angola use the term 'nigga' in a non-derogatory manner.

I use the word 'nigga' and I use it often. But I also expressly disallow whites from embracing in the same terminology. As I should. I shook my head after reading MzKwietStorm's argument and many others in this thread. You people are confused.

[Samoon]

"You people are confused."

I see that there remains much work to be done in elevating the black psyche as the above statement exemplifies this.