Bill Cosby in Newark NJ

[GLC 3]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

15 accusers? come on now. what you are really saying is that rape is OK if you are a conservative.
the message is immorality and corruption.

15 accusers that only showed up after Bill Cosby starting speaking out, me thinks someone wanted Bill to shutup but got the surprise of their life when Bill stood his ground.

You notice you don't hear from those women anymore? Wonder why?

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by GLC 3

15 accusers that only showed up after Bill Cosby starting speaking out, me thinks someone wanted Bill to shutup but got the surprise of their life when Bill stood his ground.

You notice you don't hear from those women anymore? Wonder why?

the bastard children and the rape charges indicate to me someone who should clean up his own house rather than lecturing others. as you excuse the man, his and your moral positions are invalid in my book.

[DBlack]

Same ole song from Bill Cosby. As usual, he can only criticize and devide his own, but chooses to cast no light to expose the ills created and cultivated by white people.

He's not even worth a passionate rant from me anymore.

[GLC 3]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

the bastard children and the rape charges indicate to me someone who should clean up his own house rather than lecturing others. as you excuse the man, his and your moral positions are invalid in my book.

Oh I see we cant bash the message so bash the messenger I see the white media has taught you well. We should just avoid the fact that what Bill says is true because of his questionable character.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by GLC 3

Oh I see we cant bash the message so bash the messenger I see the white media has taught you well. We should just avoid the fact that what Bill says is true because of his questionable character.

Sure, I can bash both. I think your characterization of JFP's comments is unfair. Are you implying that what JFP asserts is untrue? Because it's indeed fact.

I've said this a million times before; the credibility of the messenger determines the value and credibility of the message.

Every word uttered from our lips has meaning and relevance contigent upon the context in which they are delivered.

We've heard Bill over and over. Perhaps if he spent as much passion taking care of his own house as he is spitting on his own people, his home would be a much happier place.

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by GLC 3

Oh I see we cant bash the message so bash the messenger I see the white media has taught you well. We should just avoid the fact that what Bill says is true because of his questionable character.

once you resolve the character issue, then and only then are you even entitled to go to a discussion of the message.
i repeat, by denying his crimes and his corrupt nature, in my book, you lose moral credibility.
when you are ready to acknowledge his crimes then we can move on.

btw, i have not been taught a damn thing by the media.
when you go there you show that you have, as i said, NO MORAL GROUND and no argument.

[Samoon]

True, "the pot can't call the kettle black." I'll relent that much.

BUT DID THE BROTHER LIE?

Black folks are at the cross-roads in terms of our existence, agree or not and that is okay. The threat of annihilation is VERY real. And we need to do MORE in terms of being positive and pro-active. For decades now, we have been aware of what the dire issues are that have had a negative affect in black communities. Not to mention the current ramifications of being racially and politically polarized. "We have bigger fish to fry than Bill."

Not a "whole hell of a lot" has been ongoing to address these issues (except by apathetic, sell-out pretentious politicians and a handful of indivduals that DO give a dam) that have left many black communities in disarray, continual economic disparity, etc. and more importantly? Issues that persist like kiilling our people from gang war-fare to unhealthy life-styles. If we are going to throw stones, then we must ask ourselves how many of US (if we are being honest here) are MIA as opposed to addressing and helping in what the brother is stating are ILLS that continue to PLAGUE our progression as a given group of people? Such as seeing that a kid that you know is on the street, and you know that s/he should have their behind in school yet you shrug it off because "it's not my kid, not my problem"....not taking TIME to rap to our young to see where their head is at...or headed in some cases esp. if you are aware that in their family dynamic that things are NOT up to par on the homefront...active community involvement such as town hall meetings to find out what's really going on whether it is your neighborhood or not...school involvement to determine why test scores in many schools are dismally failing. Whatever your profession or vocation is...do you bring what you are able BACK to the black community and use it? I do not look to a given celebrity as, "the last great hope," oh no..as black people, we need to save our dam selves. Anything less than this is unforgivable. Granted, Bill is putting his money where his mouth is---but these monies are also in critical need IN the black communities as well. ( Sorry for the rant, but I refuse to blame long-standing issues and problems on ONE man when we ALL could have a hand in changing our position in this land. Seems like Bill may have actually embarrassed individauls that know that they have not been about the business...OUR business...or any business for that matter. Would the message that he bears be any better coming from say, David Duke...and HIS money?) The man is not infallible....for at the end of the day, the better question asked is , how many individuals are willing to BE pro-active?

"The time for talk is over." That ship has sailed.

QUOTE: "but chooses to cast no light to expose the ills created and cultivated by white people."

Black, you get no dispute from me on this. You are absolutely correct. This should have been brought into focus as well for the agenda of white supremacy, for decades, has definitely had a long-standing impact in black communities. it is hard to change a "learned" behavior unless one recognizes it and more importantly, the process of how it has been learned.

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by Samoon

BUT DID THE BROTHER LIE?

YES.................

Originally Posted by Samoon

I refuse to blame long-standing issues and problems on ONE man when we ALL could have a hand in changing our position in this land.

I don't blame Bill for our issues. I have a problem with the tone of his speeches which as I said before leave me with the feeling that he is an elitist and has issues with economic classes that are lower than his bracket. He seems to remove himself from the problem- and the solution- pointing his finger and telling everyone else how naughty they've been. IMO we as a community don't need that. We need people who are going to do instead of talking and the fact is that if his house ain't in order, as has been suggested, then he ought to curb his condemnation of everyone else and work on improving himself before undertaking the masses as a project. I think a lot of us talk the talk but don't want to put anything in action, that much I'll agree with. Even with myself. I talk a good game and have some great ideas, ideas that I soon hope to put into place. But I don't even have my own ish together so how can I go to anyone else and tell them how to get their ish together? That's hypocrisy, something I try not to have anything to do with. Cos ought stick to tv and let folks who really want to help the community do their thing.

[MrAtlanta]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

15 accusers? come on now. what you are really saying is that rape is OK if you are a conservative.
the message is immorality and corruption.

First of all, I am not an apologist for Bill Cosby, nor do I consider him a perfect human being. He admits to having once been a philanderer and an adulterer, and he's not the only prominent figure to do so. What else is new? Nevertheless, the man is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty of these crimes, he should pay for them. Rape is a serious, serious crime and it shouldn't be used as leverage or as a bartering chip to receive a cash payoff. The majority of rape victims don't behave this way, but there are SOME women who will feign rape in an attempt to receive a dollar. How many times have we seen this? I've seen it in cases involving Micheal Jordan, Jesse Jackson, Kobe Bryant and a few other wealthy and famous men.

Here's a very informative article regarding this subject if anyone cares to read it. http://www.insiderreports.com/storyp...oryID=20011033

This also happened once before in a case of adultery involving Mr. Cosby himself, where a woman claimed she gave birth to his "love-child", a daughter. The supposed love-child, now a young woman, even tried to blackmail him. Even after he found out that the young woman WASN'T his daughter, and even after the blackmail attempt, he still offered to fund her college education.

Like him or not, forcing us to take a look at ourselves and our shortcomings might be one of Cosby's biggest accomplishments over the past few years. Even his biggest detractors have to admit this.