Immigration & Black America

[GLC 3]

Im sure you have all noticed the huge immigration rallies where thousands of Hispanics & Latinos have come out to protest suggested changes in immigration law and to ask for an easier path to U.S. citizenship.

Now no matter what their views on the matter many blacks have wondered how the Hispanics & Latinos are having their voices heard when we who have been here over 200 years can't even get our problems ackowledged let alone addressed.

The answer is simple, after they obtain citizenship Hispanics & Latinos vote and vote in large numbers. You have pliticians falling all over themselves and jumping through all kinds of hoops not to upset these potential voters

The Hispanics & Latinos have learned something Black America should already know, If you don't vote you don't count...

[Nudimmud9]

I understand what you're trying to say from one perspective. But from another perspective, and I'm not trying to be funny with you, it shows that you don't see what these folks are really doing. When I say these folks, I'm talking about the powers that be. If you go on line and type in "UNDERGROUND ECONOMY" you see that out of 200 plus million eligible income tax payers, only between 90 to 110 million are paying taxes on a yearly basis as of 1995 to 1999.

This is causing the illusion of American Democracy to begin to crack at its foundation. More importantly, from the perspective of the statutory power brokers, it's causing them to loose human resources/capital, which is what makes the entire commercial system in this country run.

The immigration issue is nothing more than the Federal Government attempting to institute more unaware bodies and minds for the purposes of their fraudulent and corrupt commercial process. And before the communist/socialist advocates get started, I'm not talking about capitalism. I'm talking about the system many of us unwittingly live in, which is based in the hypothecation of debt instruments.

Long story short, the government is considering getting more pledges from sovereign flesh and blood bodies, since those U.S. Citizens who've been here five to six generations have scoped out what the game is all about in this country. Frankly speaking, you become a citizen of the U.S. and they have contractual rights to your full-faith and credit as a living man or woman. In exchange, you get to run on a wheel like a mouse, looking dead at a golden carrot you can never have and will die trying to get.

[Samoon]

Firstly, my response to your commentary is that the charter of this country's immigration laws should have been revised DECADES ago. For there are many misnomers contained therein and much "comprehension" was misconstrued. It is insidious and down-right insulting to "stamp births with a seal of approval" of off-spring born of parents that are ILLEGAL ALIENS. Immigration reform, as well as Welfare reform are two areas where our government, "just can't get it right."

Secondly, Blacks and Hispanics are at odds with each other. Illegal aliens have had a long-term, adverse affect on black communities in terms of affecting our economy.
Black people have to contend with illegal aliens that are paid under-the-table-wages (hmmm? how does one "pay taxes if one is paid under the table I surmise?) to contractual "under-bidding." The end result has been that this has curtailed decent, living wages for many blacks (and no, I do not advocate this asinine, "pro" illegal entries thinking platform). From our health-care systems that continue to bleed to schools that "dummy-down" curriculum to establishing ESL (English as a SECOND language? Huh?) as the "flavor of the month." This form of thinking (and acts) should come to a FAST HALT. What has failed to be examined is that politicians have two agendas: (1) pontificating to ethnic groups that are large in numbers and pander to them in securing votes (at any rate, false promises) and (2) supporting the interests of individuals and groups that line THEIR pockets.

Thirdly, this country has long-standing ethnic and societal contention/racism towards African-Americans. More than any other ethnicity (current exclusion: the towel-heads, welcome to the front row for a bit!)

Now, filled with arrogance (and presumed political power) illegal aliens have "taken it to the street" to demonstrate that illegal aliens should be "given" citizenship simply because of connect the numbers? And then have the gall to ride the coat-tail of Bush's words, "the jobs that Americans refuse to do." Let's see....whatever happened to "hard labor" with chain-gangs and the like? This is the ruse that our government continually resounds to elevate ILLEGAL ALIENS above her citizentry. Do not be fooled. Blacks have gained some milestones in terms of social mobility, but the "secret, government agenda" is what it has always been: to marginalize and misplace black people.

The impact of illegal aliens with regard to the black community did not preent as a "problem" to white people or the mainstream until the off-spring of illegal aliens came of age and are NOW in direct competition as well.

Still, Blacks and Hispanics accuse one another of "power" that neither has. And should realize that both are being bitten by the head of the same SNAKE. Do not be fooled.

[Nudimmud9]

Um, as a black woman, why are you using racial slurs regarding any group of people? You don’t know better than that? Secondly, the predecessors of present day Mexicans Immigrants were the original inhabitants of this country Samoon. It's divine plan and poetic justice that they're taking America back in droves.

Finally, it's obvious that you have a pretty good bit of knowledge as to the workings of the system on the surface. Only problem is I'm not talking about surface stuff. Your commentary about taxes not being paid by illegal immigrants is the very reason why they WILL eventually be legalized. That’s a whole lot of tax income that would willingly be paid to the FEDS if it didn’t result in them getting deported because they have no “papers.”

The fact of the matter is this, when you registered with the State or Federal Government, you are giving them first dibs on any commercial transactions you engage in. There are ways around this, but only individuals who have a relative perspective and perception are aware of these loopholes in Title 26 of United States Code. Illegal immigrants are not aware of these things and will not be for quite some time. Therefore the power brokers of corporate Statutory America will take advantage of their cumulative ignorance.

Make no mistake, it's all about taxes Sammon, just not in the way you’re seeing it at present moment. And these illegal immigrants are willing to become "legal" which essentially means "lienable", for purposes of not having to dodge police cars and move from shanty to shanty when their current make-shift abode is ransack by alleged authorities.

As much as it might hurt, those of us (both black and white) who get caught up in the whirlwind that is immigration are expendable assets as far as The District of Columbia is concerned. Sorry if that offends you, but that's the bottom line.

[Samoon]

@ Nudimmud 9:

The beauty of individualism is that, thank goodness, 'Samoon is not the individual that supports, "shared group mentalities," or worse, succumbed to the mind-set of being mentally dead. For clarity only? As an educator, I am well-versed not only in the history of this country, but other countries as well. How you "surmised" by my few paragraphs that MY wealth of information and knowledge concerning this hot-bed political issue is "nominal at best," leaves me to fathom that "if" I was not totally enscounced in black history, you are correct--I would construe your comments as insulting if I was not learned, confident or unfamiliar with black history/dynamics, the history and cultures of other ethnicities and lastly, had I not kept abreast of the issue at hand. So this leaves me only to chuckle a bit.

"Truth stands it's own merit, it needs no support." What may appear as absolutes or truth's to you may not be in the eyes of others. However, "as the script is read out in our country", 'Samoon has long been aware of what you have attempted to illustrate.

Thanks for your comments---thoughtfully pondered and this is the end of our dialogue. Be well. :)

[Nudimmud9]

@ Sammon

I was not saying that your knowledge was nominal at best. That couldn't be any further from the truth actually. Obviously you are well versed in the areas of politics and the history that comes with it. I guess I was not clear enough about that in my post to you.

For clarifications sake, what I was trying to say to you is that the angles that you are looking at things from are the angles that the powers that be want you to look at them from.

I'm not saying this to brag to you or anyone. But while you may be a teacher of history and international politics, I deal in International commerce, and by default, politics every single day.

If you look in the career post, I state that I deal in International Commodities and Debentures. I am a chief analyst Samoon. What that means is, every security that my bank facilitates the buying and or selling of comes across my desk. More specifically, I understand, however general it might be given the situation, exactly what the pro’s and con’s are for every vested party/GOVERNMENT, no matter where they are in the world. I also know what the motivating factors are.

Now if you know exactly what international debentures and commodities are, you know that I deal in the initial commercial paper that allows society to begin existing on any level in the first world. Because of this position, I see a lot of the fine print most people don't ever see; nor do they read about it in any history books. Long story short, if the people of this country knew how royally screwed they were on a daily basis; there would be national and eventually international mayhem. Frankly speaking, there would be blood in the streets and it would be the blood of public officials Samoon.

I wish I could share some of the less confidential topics around the present immigration policy about to be legislated by the CORPORATE U.S GOVERNMENT. The only problem is, most of the folk I deal with could give to Sh#$@ about what they perceive to be subjects. And because of that they would know it was myself who leaked the info. Again, I'm not trying to minimize your intelligence; I'm saying your utilizing your intelligence in the way that they want you to; nothing more.

I hope my position around you is more clear at this point.

Originally Posted by blackvoter

How do you figure that the Mexicans were the original inhabitants of this country? I thought that claim went to the various Native American tribes that migrated here through Northern Europe. The Mexicans are descendants of the Spaniards who like the Europeans came here to rob, rape and pillage and yes they had black slaves too. They only became Mexicans when they won their independence from Spain much like the American European colonies won theirs from Britain.

The Mexicans are a genetic by-product of Spanish and indigenous people copulating black voter. In many instances, much like us, the children that came from these unions were as a result of rape; however, sometimes it was genuine love and commitment.

During "MANIFEST DESTINY" many of your indigenous peoples moved to parts of the southern Americas. Sometimes they were forcibly relocated there and other times they voluntarily moved there in lieu of being decimated in the process of being relocated there.

At present moment I actually deal with the legal team from Little Shell Pembina Band (not to be confused with the Pembina Nation Little Shell Band) and it's quite interesting to here their perspective on the Mexican immigration debate.

I am actually in the process of becoming a J.D. and eventually LLM through their law program; this is the only reason why I know a little more than nothing regarding real Native American political and social challenges and issues.

Originally Posted by blackvoter

I have no respect for these people, they became criminals the minute they crossed the border illegally, you try it and see if your arse don't end up rotting in a Mexicali Prison. If they had any self respect, they would revolt against the upper classes and the political establishment in their own respective countries. Yet they won't do that down there but have the balls to come up here and take to the streets. I wish I had rolled past them with a basket full of eggs, I'll be ready the next time.

We live in a cold, cruel world.

[Edward Williams]

What is "immigration"?

[jimihaze]

Like bv said why have they not revolted in mexico? instead they come here and do it. However they will soon learn that white american is no joke. just keep watching if you don't think so. my question is where were they when black people were being lynched and being made to sit in the back of the bus? where were the latino and hispanic people then? where they marching for these little so called rights that we have now?

[MrAtlanta]

Gibson: "Make more babies" because in "[t]wenty-five years ... the majority of the population is Hispanic"


Summary: On The Big Story, John Gibson urged viewers to "[d]o your duty. Make more babies," because he had found out, from a recently released report, that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: "You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." Gibson later repeated: "To put it bluntly, we need more babies."

On the May 11 edition of Fox News' The Big Story, host John Gibson advised viewers during the "My Word" segment of his program to "[d]o your duty. Make more babies." He then cited a May 10 article, which reported that nearly half of all children under the age of five in the United States are minorities. Gibson added: "By far, the greatest number [of children under five] are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic." Gibson later claimed: "To put it bluntly, we need more babies." Then, referring to Russia's projected decline in population, Gibson claimed: "So far, we are doing our part here in America but Hispanics can't carry the whole load. The rest of you, get busy. Make babies, or put another way -- a slogan for our times: 'procreation not recreation'."

As The Washington Post reported, the U.S. Census Bureau recently released population estimates that found that nearly half (45 percent) of U.S. children under five are racial or ethnic minorities, and that "the percentage is increasing mainly because the Hispanic population is growing so rapidly." The U.S. Census notes that, "[e]stimates usually are for the present and the past, while projections are estimates of the population for future dates." The U.S. Census last released its population projection in March 2004 and found that, by the year 2030, Hispanics will account for roughly 20 percent of the total population in the United States. The U.S. Census also projected that Hispanics will make up 24 percent of the nation's population by 2050. The two-year old projection has not been updated to take into account the new data on the race and ethnicity of children under five.

Gibson also noted that Europe is "not having enough babies to sustain their population," adding that "[c]onsequently, they are inviting in more and more immigrants every year to take care of things and those immigrants are having way more babies than the native population, hence 'Eurabia'."

From the May 11 edition of Fox News' The Big Story with John Gibson:

GIBSON: Now, it's time for "My Word." Do your duty. Make more babies. That's a lesson drawn out of two interesting stories over the last couple of days.

First, a story yesterday that half of the kids in this country under five years old are minorities. By far, the greatest number are Hispanic. You know what that means? Twenty-five years and the majority of the population is Hispanic. Why is that? Well, Hispanics are having more kids than others. Notably, the ones Hispanics call "gabachos" -- white people -- are having fewer.

Now, in this country, European ancestry people, white people, are having kids at the rate that does sustain the population. It grows a bit. That compares to Europe where the birth rate is in the negative zone. They are not having enough babies to sustain their population. Consequently, they are inviting in more and more immigrants every year to take care of things and those immigrants are having way more babies than the native population, hence Eurabia.

Why aren't they having babies? Because babies get in the way of a prosperous and comfortable modern life. Peanut butter fingerprints on the leather seats in the BMW. The Euros are particular -- in particular can't be bothered with kids. Underscore that second point.

A second story, today, reports that [Russian President] Vladimir Putin is so concerned about the declining and imploding population of Russia, he is paying couples to have babies. Imagine, procreating for cash in Mother Russia. Putin has taken this step because at the rate things are going, Russia will lose close to 45 million in population in the next 45 years. Russia will be two thirds of today's population.

This is not a good trend for Russia and it won't be here either if that should happen. To put it bluntly, we need more babies. Forget about that zero population growth stuff that my poor generation was misled on. Why is this important? Because civilizations need population to survive. So far, we are doing our part here in America but Hispanics can't carry the whole load. The rest of you, get busy. Make babies, or put another way -- a slogan for our times: "procreation not recreation." That's "My Word."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120006

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Please read the bold text above.

John Gibson is saying out loud what most white people are thinking to themselves. If you think jobs and lower wages are the central issues here, you're mistaken. It's all about maintaining the status quo.

These people are really afraid of losing their "dominance" in this country, both culturally and politically.