can black people be saved by white thought?

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by Ankhesenamun

I truly believe that gathering and moving information over the internet (such as these forums) is a very healthy start to getting us back.

hotep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nudimmud9]

I only have this to say, White people, as a collective would not exist if we did not exist before them. We taught them the foundations for many of the structures that they've enhanced and contorted to their aims through out their collective manifestation on this planet.

We as black people were the first to rule; therefore, in order to get back to our original selves, it is incumbent upon those of us who are truly interested to make change, to ask the question HOW? How did we lose control? How did we lose our authority amongst the peoples of the planet? How did we lose our respect outwardly but also inwardly? We had to lose our control before we tumbled to our current collective state. So the answer isn't singularly in black stories as some have mentioned in here. Nor is it singularly in our own spiritual systems. Just as an aside, Christianity at its core is and was originally a black system, as well as Islam for that matter.

Until we as individuals and a collective people deal with how we lost, IN ALL RESPECTS, we will not be able to understand how we can acquire our original identity back as an individual and people.

Finally, as I've said in a number of posts in recent days, it is us who taught the "WHITE-MAN" the foundation for the capitalist system that dominates the planet at present moment. We were the first participants in a capitalist system in the ancient international trade systems of the known-world. THIS IS HOW WE ESTABLISED DOMINANCE FOLKS, WE MANIPULATING THE CONCEPTS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND TO OUR ADVANTAGE AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS DISADVANTAGE. Truthfully, capitalism practiced properly allows for maximum social support and infrastructure for all members of society. While simultaneously allowing for the necessary diversity within the system to prevent stagnation of the system itself (i e The United Soviet Socialist Republic during the "Cold-War.")

But notice I said the word "PROPERLY." What is not happening in this country and through out much of the world is the proper implementation of a capitalist system. This is why you have the disparity between well to do, the working-class and eventually the poor. Ladies and gentlemen, as blasphemous as some of you might say it is, white-thought was originally our thought. The only difference is, we didn’t use it for the same gain that they have in recent centuries. If you ask, “What am I talking about? Or “What am I saying?” it is because you are not familiar with the concepts that I have put forth in previous post, contrary to what many of you presently allege.

Long story short, capitalism is our system originally guys. The foundation of it is anyway. Truth be told, there’s not much on planet Earth currently in existence that didn’t get its beginnings from our thought as a people. Spirituality and “African-Thought,” as you call it, encompasses all that many of you are seemingly running away from and classifying as “WHITE-THOUGHT.” Very simply, WE CAM BEFORE THEM. THEY LEARNED AND STOLE FROM US. Without our existence and initial dominance, they wouldn’t have had the necessary systems in place to contort and pervert.

[Goodrain]

Christianity at its core such as The ten commandments and other ideas is just common sense and should be taught to two year olds.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Ankhesenamun

I truly believe that gathering and moving information over the internet (such as these forums) is a very healthy start to getting us back.

Preach Brotha Ankhesenamun! If the revolution won't be televised then, we have to take it to the net in order to reach the masses.

[Nudimmud9]

Originally Posted by Goodrain

Christianity at its core such as The ten commandments and other ideas is just common sense and should be taught to two year olds.

You're exactly right. The Ten Commandments are among the first codifications of principals in the written form eventually called "LAW." They are pre-curser to the modern-day common law that I'm talking about so much.

If you want to eliminate much of the corruption in the system, then you have to take it back to basics; the foundation if you will. They can't not convict someone of police brutality if you apply simple common law process. This is because you're dealing in facts and facts alone. There is no room for assumption or presumption in the common law. This is what makes it such a phenominal equalizer in traffic civil and criminal cases.

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Precisely. After our ancestors endured being placed in captivity and being assimilated into Europeon Culture by the White European Colonolonist during Slavery, we still have to combat blantant and sublimal cases of racisim from day to day . But for those of us who are grounded in our history and draw strengh from our ancestors, we're independent spirits who can't be broken.

"Co-signed." I don't pander to the thought that, "black people are not as evolved as white people"------>we can look to white supremacy and the Media in being self-serving as usual. I stand firmly on this.

[DBlack]

Sounds like an extremely vague question. What is white thought? I would assume you mean the entire way that whites think and operate?

Running with that assumption, I think it's important, majorly important that we continute to strive together as a people to further define and build our own black prosperity. But we have to be smart and learn from the dominant Amerikkkan culture. There are many things we can learn from whites and other races, and improve them as tools of our own use.

For example, Japanes and Chinese business rarely invent anything. Instead, they commmonly take American inventions and vastly improve their functionality and performance. As a result, They are economic super powers.

While I value my culture and the knowledge therein, I am constantly trying to 'spy' on other cultures to learn new things that I can bring back to the tribe and help myself and other blacks.

[Baba Ahmed]

I can feel the exuberance! IF we gather to exchange, discuss plan and organize methods to use this internet for learning past stories lets avoid being shooting stars. The 10 Commandments need not be taught. I suggest now, because we have our 13 year old granddaughter as does all of her classmates first memorize the famed 42 Affirmations or laws ("Confessions") from which I dare say the 10 Commandments were borrowed from. This is something that can be done immediately. A simple change, e.g., from "Thou Shall Not" to I have not is our way.

I agree with Prof. Wilson, who said to establish sound relationships is a functioning basis for developing an economy, including handling of finances. For older folk, yes, we generally only know Capitalism and maybe some Socialisms. And if we can or will develop ways to lessen the effects of parasitical usury, Capitalism can have a healthier use among us.

As a start who will volunteer to organize a special space, "forum" to get this show moving.

The sistahs and bruthas at my home site are teaching and learning various Afrikan languages; two of us constantly present Afrikan proverbs including general sayings and quotes of our living elders and ancestors from this hemisphere on back to the dimly lite times of Ancient Kush, Kemet on through Traditional times.

And suggestions? Excluding me as a teacher. Me no be dat. ;) Ankhesenamun has used a word that indicates "he?" can help. The word, commodity, when referring to European's use of us! Anyway, what say y'all?

Onamove in harmony.

[Baba Ahmed]

White or European thought demonstrates itself in all of the institutions we exist in and under. Its not that vague. DBlack u answered your question as to what is it when u refer to "your knowledge" that comes from your culture.

And any confusions we have indicate why often our actions benefit, not us, but European and other ethnic groups. When its done w/o consciousness it is understandable; but when we do so unaware of the driving forces, lets say of Capitalism then its problematic. I just began a thread on Sex Imperative & Capitalism. Its brief and I intend to post more info on it, but therein are references to Capitalism and the mindsets that formulated what we use daily. Systems are created by people: religion, education, politics, economics, entertainments etc kwk etc all bear stamps of European Cultural Thought and Behavior.

Our very speech says it is of and for European Thought.

That's why I expressed eagerness for someone to step up and with your permission organize a "forum" for us to learn and teach our traditional Afrikan Cosmology, we will see and I hope understand a general 180 degree difference between Afrikan Cultural Thought and EuorCentric Cultural Thought. One reason, generally speaking, historically Black people have much to pat ourselves on the back; for over 500 years we've existed in an alien society of the Western Hemisphere. As we continue to get firm in our peeping this and consciously consistently apply our thoughts and actions in our goals sought, I dare say: LOOK OUT WORLD. As Mayor Washington announced in Chicago: Its our time now.

Peace!

[blacks_property]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Preach Brotha Ankhesenamun! If the revolution won't be televised then, we have to take it to the net in order to reach the masses.

i am 100% agree with you

i think white people never let a piece of power or a piece of money just by themselves

only fighting is possible

i am french and i know how africa is still in the hands of the french gouvernements