Why can't black folk on this board seem to see the forest for the trees?

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Ifayomi

My people, WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT FREEDOM DOESN’T COME THROUGH BEING IN SOMEONE ELSE’S HOUSE AND DEMANDING THEY DO FOR YOU.

Agreed. Everybody should have their own spirtual journey and not get caught up in the dogma of one particular belief system . I believe all religions have a universal truth that should be explored (w/the exception of satanism). It's no secret that god is onmipresent and that before he comes to your aide that you have to want to take the first step to want to help yourself first.

[baseneeds]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Agreed. Everybody should have their own spirtual journey and not get caught up in the dogma of one particular belief system . I believe all religions have a universal truth that should be explored (w/the exception of satanism). It's no secret that god is onmipresent and that before he comes to your aide that you have to want to take the first step to want to help yourself first.

Madame X are you sure that's what Ifayomi meant by his statement? I got a different interpretation. Oh well, I guess that's what happens when a statement is nothing more than a shallow platitude.

[Goodrain]

[quote=baseneeds]Yes, I do; extremely detrimental. Black people have too much religion and very little of it has done us any good! To be honest I consider both Jesus and Allah to have a deep hatred of Black people, need proof? Look at the history of African civilization, Islam and Christianity wrecked African civilization and ensalved African people precisely because they weren't either Christians or Muslims.

Originally Posted by Goodrain

Atheist is a devilish term and its supposed to mean not believing in what created you. Someone who practices the non belief in God./QUOTE]

I am an Atheist. And I assure you I have a very strong belief in my mother and father who created me. Seriously though, atheist do not practice anything, I have a non-belief in god or in anything supernatural for that matter, the burden of proof lies upon theist to convince me otherwise.



This is a confusing post, it seems intentionally obscure, which is the hallmark of religious conceptions. Please explain what this means.

Which post are you referring to? Ill try to address anyway. But first let me say I joined this board a few months and it seemed like I would never get such responses. Much respect and love to all of you.

I dont mean to say that all people who call themselves atheist are ignorant. You did not come up with the term or its supposed meaning. You dont have a choice to or not to believe in the creator. To believe otherwise is ignorant. And those people that do only do so because of selfish reasons and running from truth that clashes with their selfish philosophies on life. Its an ego thing and people just dont want other people to know that they were wrong. I wont go on and on and get more off topic though.
In conclusion I am an atheist also meaning I dont rely on(religion) this Christian god. What if I was reading it our natural way from right to left then the word would be dog. The devil would be alot more recognizable then.

[Spam57]

educatin is the key factor to why blacks are doing so bad, its not that your balck or white, in fact i have many white friends who are going to be making less money that i will be making because im getting me a good education. After all the black peole get rid of this Racial Philosophy that has plagued them, then we can move on to bigger and better things.

[Goodrain]

Yeah I hear you. Move on to better things like more bling bling, more White women or self hating Black women, more money to watch King Kong like movies and listen to three six mafia.

[Moorfius]

Hotep

Just learning to tread water can not last unless one is close to the shore or someone throws out a "Life-Preserver" but sooner than later we must get our feet on solid ground. Remember: what ever we think we are being educated in after being put to spiritual, mental sleep is only what the system of white superimacy wants you to know but it will never in 10 trillion years "Free or Liberate (you) Any One...espishly the mentaly dead so-called (negros) African in America.
If any one of us is going to take it apon our self to try and teach a whole generation...then we damb well better be correct! We just can't say any thing that comes to our mind or try to defent a "Lie" just because we don't know any better. History is what it is no matter what we feel about it or no matter if we know our history or not...it is best to sit back and try and learn something before we always open our mouth to say nothing thinking we are saying something. Most of us know our condition is unexceptable and want to see our children have a real future and not the same BS mis-education we all have "Fallen" victom to. Education is to inlighten the Spirit and Mind...and if it is just to get a better so-called job that is personal...and what can you do with that littel bit of change to help Africans Liberate our selves that is if you even want to be liberated you are going to need some help. Frankly...if any so-called negro espierd to be a full man or a full woman and not just some 3/5ths of a human as defined in the U.S. consatution...then we need to Wake Up and stop acting so ignorant unles we are ignorant and don't know it...then we should let someone else do the talking that know what they are talking about. We are...and have always been......"At-War"!!!

Ase`

Note: any one who is not of the African experience don't have any thing to say to us and should stay out of our way...we must help ourselves and we can't stop to BS with any one until we get everything we need and even then we will be too busy.

[Samoon]

"Why is it that you.....yada, yada, yada."

Why is it that you appear to have "difficulty" in being able to, "agree to disagree?"
Sound familiar? Why are individuals here...or elsewhere relegated to the ranks of, "mentally dead" because their perception and truth's do not stand in solidarity with your views? Much of what I have observed and learned has been accomplished by merely listening to the soliloquies of others. I pay attention to their critical thinking skills, etc.--or lack thereof. And, as always, sooner or later when the conversation IS steered to one being "learned" in Black and global history (as well as others) therein lies the real story. But I digress...

"What an individual may "deem" as their absolutes? Other individuals do not have to support or or stand in solidarity with." And this, coupled with the "inference" of "emotionally charged" "expected" responses of posters here really leaves me suspect as to the true intent of informing and sharing information to the the members of this board? In truth, people can and have the right to adhere to their research, truth's and experience. So the statement of individuals being emotionally charged is moot in my opinion. Study, observation and critical analysis are but two of the MANY variables in how one reaches their own perception or analysis if you will, in relation to, self-actualizing, thus reaching the knowledge of self. The driving force of ANY country is CAPITALISM and RACISM followed by ethnocentrism. For history does illustrate that there has always been an under-class to serve those with wealth and/or power. For one would be a fool to expect that power is voluntarily relinquished.

This just in? If we look at each epoch of history in terms of progression? There has always been an underclass in the annals of history. Do the math. And yet, to state, "why can't we FORGET?" Interesting...Jew have not forgotten and yet America "assists" Jews in their NOT forgetting the Halocaust through reparations, etc. And yet the tragedies that my people were subjected to is trivialized? Imagine that! If you don't KNOW where you have been, can you say where you are going? And yes, history does repeat itself....Civil Rights are under attack, Affirmative Action has been dismantled (not that it benefitted blacks, that would be the white female and asian male)...reparations will end up on a ballot before it ever sees the light of day in the black diaspora. Please.

QUOTE: "With sweeping generalizations and equally boring "assumptions" and content, did you really expect to get that many responses?"

On point, Gorilla. On point. brotha. For I did not observe much in the manner of pro-active solutions or "bullets" so to speak, of a contrived agenda to enlighten, teach and otherwise HELP in moving the masses forth as well as changing the global enconomic picture. Fact: blacks are marginalized. Fact: Blacks are politically polarized. Fact, fact, FACT. What is this poster ACTIVELY doing in the face of this to help bring change to the plethora of problems that black people face?

[Moorfius]

Hotep

Some of us are most insecure and sensitive to the point of selfdistruction. The bottom line is..."If the shoe fits ware it...if it don't...it is not for you"! We are all in the same boat and suffer the same universal discrace as a people and "None" of us can rise above the condition of "Our" people. "May the spirits of the divine ancient so-called "African" ancestors continue to "Bless" us with the light of understanding. People Know Thy Self

Ase`


Note: The condition of todays decendents of the "origenal people" of the earth "demands" absolute liberation and a total return to "Balance" and sanity...only through "Right Knowledge" and "Spirituality" in which "we" are "Created" and not the "Fabrications" we find our selves in today.

[Samoon]

^^@ Moorfius, agreed. "The time for talk is OVER." That ship sailed long ago. All, be well.