Why can't black folk on this board seem to see the forest for the trees?

[Corals]

Originally Posted by saraphen

I have to agree with you, Gorilla. Aside from my Admin duties on the site, I'm here for recreation/diversion. If a post requires me to scroll several times, I just won't bother. If it gets to be like work, then it's not recreation anymore.

Length does not really bother me,as long as it is interesting and makes sense. I can decide after reading the first two paragraphs whether it is worth continuing or not.

With regard to the topic in question, Aries1061 states it clearly when she/he stated:

Race has become an excuse for many people's "lack of success" However, it is something that is very rea, especially in America so you can't get away from it. As long as there are black people, white people, asians, hispanics, and other ethnic groups, race will always play a part in our society.

[jamesfrmphilly]

"Mud" just pissed cause no body agree wit him.......

[Nudimmud9]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

"Mud" just pissed cause no body agree wit him.......

James, you really are quite immature for a 60 some odd year old man.

As far as folk not agreeing with me is concerned, it's something I've grown accustomed to through out life. The only difference is, where I am, most other folk want to be but can't seem to get there. And the truth of the matter is, it ain't cause I'm any better than anyone else. It’s because I go that extra mile no matter what’s going on in my life.

Truth be told, I can REALLY understand why some of you may be less inclined to read a post that’s very long. At the same time, the “un-interesting” information that I’ve written about is a necessary segue into info that many of your worlds “PUBLICLY-RICH” pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to acquire, master and use for themselves eventually.

(i.e. Acquisition of a car(s) and home(s) in a corporate name, eliminating jurisdictional authority and or liability. Creation of financial foot-prints in foregin jurisdictions; international citizenship/jurisdiction, diplomatic immunity. Indirect ownership (meaning no direct liability) of intl. private banks)

In the past, I've often asked business associates why stuff like this cost, in some instances, 20,000 to 30,000 dollars for JUST a weekend seminar. And the answer/CONCLUSION they gave me is in concert with the types of responses I've gotten here the last several days. At any rate, I guess it is what it is and it's going to be what it's going to be, now isn't it.

Thanks for the heads up seraphin and gorilla. I'll be sure to conduct myself accordingly in the future.

[Goodrain]

It is not poor money wise thats the cause. Its the poor mind wise. Minds are effected by not only too much of the smoking, alcohol, and drugs. Full committment an ignorant religion is the cause. Greed and the spending of money on things that too much mind energy is wasted on when in the long run it gives you no pleasure because you have to keep getting them. And interestingly as soon as something comes out that has more technology or that comes in a new color then you have to have that. Well I thought the other kind was supposed to give you pleasure.
Why spend your life on a never ending cycle and refuse to learn about higher knowledge that will move you to better places when you die. You have no choice but to learn these things when you die but if you wait until then you probably wont go to a better place. Only the fantansy that comes from the current most popular religions say otherwise where even God is a fantansy because he says that if you say his sons name Jesus you will be saved. Saved from what I ask. Maybe saved from your original African mind. Anyone who originates this saying is a devil my friends.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Moorfius

Hotep

When we begin to think that we don't have to look at (Reality) our history and see what exactly has happen to all Africans in Africa and out of Africa...we can only make inacurate, unlearned and errornios judgements. Do to the "Fact" that we are out of our minds and in the mind of a stranger who has no history for any thing other than distruction of the planet and every thing on it...unles we are excepting those same mind sets of Crazines...any one could not help but to see...including the europeans that "Race" is "The" issue "Above" all else. Race is the number one motivation for "All" laws past and present in the U.S.A. and else ware among europeans. It should be known at this point...the "Foundation" of the so-called United States of America is built on the Slavery of the African. The "Foundation" of any structure is what holds it up! This is the same today as yesterday...nothing has changed except the African who has decided what he or she will except or not except from the so-called white man and woman. They have not changed...they only respond to our dis-satisfaction of their actions twards "Us". The "Fact" that most of the so-called freed blacks or Africans in America are still wareing the "Slave" names of the "Masters" is "Proof-Enough" that something is "Still" gravely "Wrong" whith this "System" that most think they are "Free" in. When one is out of his or her mind and in the mind of another...they will try to cling to any program or idea their enemy will come up with because they will not come up with any ideas of their own.
With out the proper "Knowledge of Self" it is impossible to rise abouve the condition of a Slave...in name and in "Carictor". Every "Law" that is passed in this "System of White Supermacy" is in favor of those who own the system and Blacks don't own anything in the Slave Masters House!

Ase`

Well Said Moorfius!

Originally Posted by Goodrain

It is not poor money wise thats the cause. Its the poor mind wise. Minds are effected by not only too much of the smoking, alcohol, and drugs. Full committment an ignorant religion is the cause. .

Goodrain, I am agreement about your statement out having clear mind that is chemical substance free. It's a know a known fact that a clear mind will bring about clear thought and prospective on life.

As for your skewed prospective on religion/spirituality, I will have to disagree. What anthiest like yourself get caught up in is your strict overly sacrimonious upbringings which probably involved your parents shoving dogma down your throat and that's not what religion is about at all.

At the end of the day, everybody has to choose their own spiritual journey. So regardless of your beliefs, it not fair to shove your dogma down peoples throat.

[Goodrain]

So you dont think a full committment to ignorant religions is detrimental to Blacks?
What I state on here is what I know unless I label it a belief.

But in respect to your view on upbringings I see what you are trying to say.

But what I said about full committment to ignorant religions is my lead response to that and everybody that practices it have not had religious dogma forced on them.

There is the so called saved person that practices it.

And you call me an atheist? Do you want to expound on this?

Atheist is a devilish term and its supposed to mean not believing in what created you. Someone who practices the non belief in God.

Well I not only believe what created me but I know. And it wasnt the misintepreters of the Bible or any other original Holy book.

If you want to go farther with that then we can go. You brought it up.
We can go where ever you want on this high plane.

Peoples minds must look high in order to rise.

[Nudimmud9]

Originally Posted by Goodrain

What I state on here is what I know unless I label it a belief.
Atheist is a devilish term and its supposed to mean not believing in what created you. Someone who practices the non belief in God.

Well I not only believe what created me but I know.

Peoples minds must look high in order to rise.

I'm glad I've finally come in contact with someone who's in alignment with this way of BEING.

God it's sooooo hard to find folk who deal in "KNOWLEGE" as compared to "BELIEF." Everybody wants to believe something as compared to paying the price necessary to KNOW. Everyone wants to get to HEAVEN, but don't nobody wanna go to HELL.

WELL DONE!!!!!!! & Much respect to you and yours.

[Ifayomi]

My people, WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT FREEDOM DOESN’T COME THROUGH BEING IN SOMEONE ELSE’S HOUSE AND DEMANDING THEY DO FOR YOU.
FREEDOM LAYS IN CREATING YOUR OWN HOUSE AND SETTING UP THE RULES HOW YOU SEE FIT.

This I agree with with all my heart

Originally Posted by Goodrain

So you dont think a full committment to ignorant religions is detrimental to Blacks?
What I state on here is what I know unless I label it a belief.

But in respect to your view on upbringings I see what you are trying to say.

But what I said about full committment to ignorant religions is my lead response to that and everybody that practices it have not had religious dogma forced on them.

There is the so called saved person that practices it.

And you call me an atheist? Do you want to expound on this?

Atheist is a devilish term and its supposed to mean not believing in what created you. Someone who practices the non belief in God.

Well I not only believe what created me but I know. And it wasnt the misintepreters of the Bible or any other original Holy book.

If you want to go farther with that then we can go. You brought it up.
We can go where ever you want on this high plane.

Peoples minds must look high in order to rise.

Personally Good Rain I would like to hear what you have to say
Peace Ifayomi

[baseneeds]

Originally Posted by Goodrain

So you dont think a full committment to ignorant religions is detrimental to Blacks?

Yes, I do; extremely detrimental. Black people have too much religion and very little of it has done us any good! To be honest I consider both Jesus and Allah to have a deep hatred of Black people, need proof? Look at the history of African civilization, Islam and Christianity wrecked African civilization and ensalved African people precisely because they weren't either Christians or Muslims.

[quote=Goodrain]Atheist is a devilish term and its supposed to mean not believing in what created you. Someone who practices the non belief in God./QUOTE]

I am an Atheist. And I assure you I have a very strong belief in my mother and father who created me. Seriously though, atheist do not practice anything, I have a non-belief in god or in anything supernatural for that matter, the burden of proof lies upon theist to convince me otherwise.

Originally Posted by Nudimmud9

I'm glad I've finally come in contact with someone who's in alignment with this way of BEING.

God it's sooooo hard to find folk who deal in "KNOWLEGE" as compared to "BELIEF." Everybody wants to believe something as compared to paying the price necessary to KNOW. Everyone wants to get to HEAVEN, but don't nobody wanna go to HELL.

WELL DONE!!!!!!! & Much respect to you and yours.

This is a confusing post, it seems intentionally obscure, which is the hallmark of religious conceptions. Please explain what this means.

[Nudimmud9]

My interpretation of what "Baseneeds" is saying, is that he has rejected the idea of an omni-present, all-knowing being that watches over our every move keeping a check list of what we have and have not done "properly."

In other words, what he's saying (in my view is,) because he does not "KNOW" for certain what input or play this higher power has, he sees no tangible application or relevance for him/her/it. He even goes, as far as to say, because he can't see relevance in his immediate life, there must be no "REAL" application or relevance.

I can't say that I’m in agreement with him in this way. However, unlike the sky being blue, I can't give him anecdotal data or references to show him there is something more beyond what his eyes can see.

God and Religion are two of the very few topics discussed in the modern world where, tangible & or simplistic, data cannot be referenced to legitimizes ones point(s) or system(s) of practice. These areas are totally subjective in from their inception to their conclusion.

Truth be told, I'm just glad I've come in contact with someone who has the fortitude, regardless of the social perception, to deal from a space of knowing as compared to "THE MOB-MENTALITY" AKA (BELIEF without the benefit of knowledge.) This is what I'm most interested in, regardless of his knowledge/belief in a "HIGHER-POWER" or the lack thereof.