Science vs. Religion ?

[Sasori]

Originally Posted by Istlota

we empower the government by paying taxes and voting scoundrels into office every two years, and we serve in the military, and we work for companies that buld the weapons, and we defend relgiously our religions.

Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me.

I'll gladly raise my hand in this, for it is the only honest to observe that it will still happen regardless what the 'people' want or could stomach.

Technological breakthroughs, especially in the last centuries, have all been attributed to our research of warfare, this also includes medicines and every other facet of life. It is the methodology of the beast and closer to our primal natures than anything else...

but regardless, wars would be fought for anything else if religion wasn't involved, it just happens that the ignorant would like to put a label on it rather than deal with their true objectives.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by Sasori

I'll gladly raise my hand in this, for it is the only honest to observe that it will still happen regardless what the 'people' want or could stomach.

We are at war because that is what the 'people' wanted.

After our own government orchestrated the 911 attacks on our own soil, we _wanted_ to kick some a-rab *** and were willing to crucify any politician who tried to get in the way of our lust for war [as Cynthia McKinnney found out]. Keep in mind that, even after W got caught lying about WMDs, 4% more whites, 2% more blacks, 9% more hispanics, and 4% more Asians voted for him in 2004 than did in 2000.

And, in six months, most Americans who vote will, once again, vote for a scoundrel --- Obama, Hillary, or McCain -- even though we _ALL_ know that _ALL_ three of them are 100% committed to continuing W's War on Terror. There is a candidate, a black woman, Cynthia McKinney, who is not, and never has been, committed to the War on Terror, but few of us will vote for her. We _say_ we want peace, but we _VOTE_ for war.

Technological breakthroughs, especially in the last centuries, have all been attributed to our research of warfare, this also includes medicines and every other facet of life. It is the methodology of the beast and closer to our primal natures than anything else...

That is what politicians want you to believe --- that man is a beast, born a sinner, who must be restrained from wickedness by the police and the FBI and the CIA and war, war, war. Preachers concur, insisting that we are all filthy rags, born in sin, and must be restrained in this life by the US government and, oh, by the way, Jesus wants us filthy sinners to make sure and contribute at least 10% of every dime we make to those preachers who the State rewards by allowing those men of God to keep our 10% without having to pay taxes on it.

We have been lied to, yes. But, when our heart is weighed against the Feather of Maat, it is we who will have to answer for our _choice_ to believe a lie instead of the truth.

The Truth is that our primal nature is peace, not war. Our primal nature is divine, not carnal. We were born into this age knowing only love and peace, not war. But, from the second we left our mother's womb, we have been deprogrammed of the knowledge of the God I AM -- who is Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit -- and reprogrammed into the strong delusion that I am, not Spiirit, but the body, flesh, and, hence, a sinner, not divine.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

It's not coincidence that more people fight and die in wars based on religion than science. Think about it.

Case Closed.

[Sasori]

Originally Posted by Istlota

We are at war because that is what the 'people' wanted.

After our own government orchestrated the 911 attacks on our own soil, we _wanted_ to kick some a-rab *** and were willing to crucify any politician who tried to get in the way of our lust for war [as Cynthia McKinnney found out]. Keep in mind that, even after W got caught lying about WMDs, 4% more whites, 2% more blacks, 9% more hispanics, and 4% more Asians voted for him in 2004 than did in 2000.

And, in six months, most Americans who vote will, once again, vote for a scoundrel --- Obama, Hillary, or McCain -- even though we _ALL_ know that _ALL_ three of them are 100% committed to continuing W's War on Terror. There is a candidate, a black woman, Cynthia McKinney, who is not, and never has been, committed to the War on Terror, but few of us will vote for her. We _say_ we want peace, but we _VOTE_ for war.

That is what politicians want you to believe --- that man is a beast, born a sinner, who must be restrained from wickedness by the police and the FBI and the CIA and war, war, war. Preachers concur, insisting that we are all filthy rags, born in sin, and must be restrained in this life by the US government and, oh, by the way, Jesus wants us filthy sinners to make sure and contribute at least 10% of every dime we make to those preachers who the State rewards by allowing those men of God to keep our 10% without having to pay taxes on it.

We have been lied to, yes. But, when our heart is weighed against the Feather of Maat, it is we who will have to answer for our _choice_ to believe a lie instead of the truth.

The Truth is that our primal nature is peace, not war. Our primal nature is divine, not carnal. We were born into this age knowing only love and peace, not war. But, from the second we left our mother's womb, we have been deprogrammed of the knowledge of the God I AM -- who is Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit -- and reprogrammed into the strong delusion that I am, not Spiirit, but the body, flesh, and, hence, a sinner, not divine.

I don't believe in any politician which uses the word democracy to represent what our country truly is and was formed to be... a Republic. All politicians lie, all have their own agendas, and all fill their coffers off the people who believe them and institutions which they represent.

truth be told, as I watched the twin towers burn and people jumping to their demise, I wanted to turn the desert to glass... until I seen the towers fall, and knew something was wrong with what I've seen. The first response interviews of what happened all matched, and yet changed by the second day of news interviews.

Anger always goes with confusion.

The elections? Those were rigged... the computation of the vote was taken out of human hands and left to those who create programs to count the votes.... that is a whole different topic

Answer this simple question then about religion and Divinity... in which religion, in there own writings, profess that killing would not be performed... and it is still done by the followers of that religion? Plus in tithe giving, that 10% goes to the work of God, not a professed preacher, but your actual works, when you give to those in need, that is giving to God... it will be a whole other topic about His ministers

Our primal nature is peace? You are at war even with nature itself, you fight for every breath that you have because of gravity. there is conflict in every wake in your life, for every morsel which you intake for nourishment. You seek peace, but never peaceful. That is the duality of our species, and history along with science has proven this so...

There is nothing divine about us except the image in which we were created, it is hubris to believe that when your eyes tell you otherwise. It is right there.. these are your people, all flawed, all prideful, and all looking for one way or another to claim superiority over the other.

The true question would be this then... would a divine being have thoughts of aggression towards their fellow man? We are taught righteousness, we don't know right from wrong until taught, and that is based on the one teaching you.

[Chevron Dove]

Originally Posted by Istlota

We are at war because that is what the 'people' wanted.

After our own government orchestrated the 911 attacks on our own soil, we _wanted_ to kick some a-rab *** and were willing to crucify any politician who tried to get in the way of our lust for war [as Cynthia McKinnney found out]. Keep in mind that, even after W got caught lying about WMDs, 4% more whites, 2% more blacks, 9% more hispanics, and 4% more Asians voted for him in 2004 than did in 2000.

And, in six months, most Americans who vote will, once again, vote for a scoundrel --- Obama, Hillary, or McCain -- even though we _ALL_ know that _ALL_ three of them are 100% committed to continuing W's War on Terror. There is a candidate, a black woman, Cynthia McKinney, who is not, and never has been, committed to the War on Terror, but few of us will vote for her. We _say_ we want peace, but we _VOTE_ for war.

Not me! I was deceived by history into the 'right to vote'. I watched the heartfelt movies about how my people and the European Jews rode Freedom buses down south to help us gained the right to vote. I saw how they fought and died for me to have the right to vote . . . and last election, I voted on the democratic ticket. But now, I feel deceived because of the research I have done. I believe the basic definition of 'the vote' is the deception in itself. This is a republic! They fixed the numbers by killing off the minority and then they say, 'go Black people, fight for your rights to vote'. Sh**! Vote for who! This all began in 1776 or, really before then! They killed in the name of Christianity then enslaved us. Then, they Separated from Jesus in 1776 once they had gotten rich. History tells me [historically speaking on the Bible] that Noah shows Ham because the Hamitic men were 'kings'. They ruled 'kingdoms' [king-dominions] and that meant 'no other man or woman could ruled the land that God gave to them'. It was their inheritance. On the other hand Shem, ruled 'a city-state' [a Democracy] and that meant, they could vote! As long as they 'demoed' or 'copied the shemites' they could represent Shem. I hate democracy! And all the Greeks did was fight. But when Noah saw what happened. . ., he had no choice but to give the high priesthood to Shem! But God put Abram-Shem in the land of Ham and made a race; AbraHam. Because Ham is still number 1!

Obama may be good for some people and I am afraid to say anything negative against him because I do not want to be misunderstood but, he did not come from the cotton pickin slave yard. If I am represented, that is what I would vote for. I want someone who knows my experiences in this government firsthand to represent me, if I must vote. I don't want to be forced to have to fight for Kenya or any other land where I don't have a clue what their issues are. I would not want Herod because he is 'part Jew' byway of his mother but, I'd rather have Jesus who is of the 'inheritance' of 'a Jew' from the male lineage. He came straight from David and Solomon, Judah, AbraHam and Noah. The Herods ended up fighting against the Romans too and both the Herods and the Jews all went down! They were all tricked by the earlier Herods! And, the Romans detroyed them all!

[Chevron Dove]

Originally Posted by theobia

Personally, I don't see how the two can be compatible. Scientific evidence points to evolution as a truth and that the world is millions of years old, which is contrary to biblical text and judeo/christian beliefs. Despite my upbringing, I am an atheist- I have honestly never felt the presence of god. I respect the beliefs of those who do believe, but to me it's still contrary to the evidence that's out there.

I believe that a lot of what is presented today is contrary but, I believe the government has been 'a bully' and has contributed to the confusion. And because they are the bullies, whatever they dictate to be correct is what is taught in our curriculum and put in our minds. Our ancestors voted for them to be the boss so, no wonder many of us are confused with the correct dates and times. I still think that the living God is for our benefit and He only wants what is best for us. When you say you have "never felt the presence of god", I feel you. But let me tell you, when you see history in the past when black people had a free choice on their own freedom and destiny and that they gave it up, and left us, their progeny, to contend with this kind of existence, what do you think. Could it be possible that God left us because they left him first, for the worship of the white man!?

[Chevron Dove]

Originally Posted by LiseYates

I'm black and I'm an atheist. We're not all white. And how can atheism be flawed? Atheists simply don't believe in the supernatural.

First of all, I have been trying to reply back to you earlier but, my computer skill are poor. My apologies. Can you elaborate alittle on how you equate God with being supernatural? Thanks.