Science vs. Religion ?

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Gorilla

Science seeks to see how things are ordered and maintained in order. Asserting who or what ordered them seems like it would rely on the personal beliefs of the person who is observing. It may influence how they view existence seeing all of these ordered things, but Science still makes sense without a religious or spiritual belief. To be able to separate it from all of these things with systematic methodology, Science is given a grounded position in what is observable. Anything else claiming to be Science is really just a pseudo-science with some sort of bias, agenda or just the reseult of bad science.

The limitations of understanding the whole self-similar "system" leave holes that could be investigated further through another means of thought, because Science can only answer perceived and testable tangible components of reality. It does not seek to answer all questions.

Science gives one a lot of things to think about, but its up to that person to draw their own extraneous conclusions.

Before there was religion or our view of spirituality there was science. Premordial and ancient wo/man worshipped nature from which science was derived in the first place.

An excellent book to read concerning this subject is "Ancient Egypt, Light of the World" by Gerald Massey, this book is outcold.. highly recommended.

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Before there was religion or our view of spirituality there was science. Premordial and ancient wo/man worshipped nature from which science was derived in the first place.

An excellent book to read concerning this subject is "Ancient Egypt, Light of the World" by Gerald Massey, this book is outcold.. highly recommended.

I was not referring to any individual belief system in particular so I don't know what you mean by "our". Additionally, basic human curiosity is not science. Its just merely observation. Though that can be viewed as one of the components of Scientific methodology, in itself, it really isn't Science.

The book sounds pretty interesting. If I can find it at the library, I will definitely try to grab it.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Gorilla

I was not referring to any individual belief system in particular so I don't know what you mean by "our". Additionally, basic human curiosity is not science. Its just merely observation. Though that can be viewed as one of the components of Scientific methodology, in itself, it really isn't Science.

The book sounds pretty interesting. If I can find it at the library, I will definitely try to grab it.

Black book stores usually carry it or can at least order it. It is a companion series (2) books. I'm sure you can get a retail book store such as "Borders" to order it for you too.

[Gorilla]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

Black book stores usually carry it or can at least order it. It is a companion series (2) books. I'm sure you can get a retail book store such as "Borders" to order it for you too.

Theres a quite a few good black bookstores in my area but I'm trying to curb my spending. I will look into it. Thanks again.

[Mageba]

Science is based on logic and reason, religion is based on faith and emotion. The former explains within its limitations and the latter imposes. As with anything ideologies there can be agreement, but as you study the origins of religion you find that they too are based on some scientific phenomena.

[Da Flash]

Originally Posted by Mageba

Science is based on logic and reason, religion is based on faith and emotion. The former explains within its limitations and the latter imposes. As with anything ideologies there can be agreement, but as you study the origins of religion you find that they too are based on some scientific phenomena.

I agree with this statement except for the last statement!! Science is based on things that can be proven or at least a theory that is believed to be fact by a majority of experts in that field (still kinda vague but, hopefully you get my point) i.e. the law of gravity, or the earth orbits the Sun.

Religion is mostly based on things that can't be proven but, are things that people choose to believe without proof. Faith and emotions can't be proven! I've seen where a few of you have tried to tie religion to science. This I just don't get. How can you make a connection between people who thought the world was flat, had no idea what a dinosaur was (probably why they aren't mentioned in most religious text)and, that the earth was the center of the solar system. Now compare that to something that is scutinized over decades, centuries, or even millenia and if you find obvious flaws, you can scrap the whole idea and start over. Try that with organized religion!

A teacher once said that evolution leaves room for religion but in religion there is no room for evolution.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Mageba

Science is based on logic and reason, religion is based on faith and emotion. The former explains within its limitations and the latter imposes. As with anything ideologies there can be agreement, but as you study the origins of religion you find that they too are based on some scientific phenomena.

Well stated! I agree.

[shankems2000]

According to philosophy (if you believe in that kind of thing) there are 9 ways of knowing something. Both science and religion have 5 of those so obviously they overlap, but religion asks that a leap of faith is taken.

Also, science is based on proving something with tangible evidence and through use of experimentation that can be completed by others who come up with the same result. Religion is faith based, and the word faith literally means having belief in something for which there is no proof. So, for these reasons I believe that they are completely incompatible.

[Da Flash]

Originally Posted by shankems2000

According to philosophy (if you believe in that kind of thing) there are 9 ways of knowing something. Both science and religion have 5 of those so obviously they overlap, but religion asks that a leap of faith is taken.

Also, science is based on proving something with tangible evidence and through use of experimentation that can be completed by others who come up with the same result. Religion is faith based, and the word faith literally means having belief in something for which there is no proof. So, for these reasons I believe that they are completely incompatible.

Seems simple enough to me. Could you please expand on these 9 ways to proof something? I'd be very interested in learning more.

[Mageba]

Christmas is the final day of longest nights in the northern hemisphere. In ancient KMT the third day of the Winter Solstice was celebrated as the birthdays of the Neters (gods) December 25th. Each day after gets longer until the sun enters Amen (Aries) the Vernal equinox (Easter) which has equal amounts of day and night. These are Astrological dates that have been practiced for millenniums in Africa.
Astrological phenomena: Observing seasonal changes in the environment i.e. plants, animals or human.

African Starlore: SAAO

Spirits can not be explained easily to one who is not sensitive to them, but they are manifestations of thoughts. They can appear in dreams, through meditation and vocalize a warning, all of which I have experienced. Ancestors or recently passed relatives will appear in dreams to let you know that they are O.K.

Premonitions: Feelings of impending events through dream state or impulse

Taboo and Rituals: Based on the result of some distant event that has caused calamities. For example in our burials the body is laid in the ground and covered with a blanket, icansi (mat) and sticks of wood to keep the spirit in place. After the funeral we all go back to the home of the deceased, wash our hands together and enjoy a feast. These things are done to keep the spirit from causing havoc to the living.

Deities: These are the founders of new schools of thinking or great leaders who were unique in their insight.

All together they represent a cultural view of life. All religions are derived from a cultural frame of reference and can be traced back to a particular nation. Based on generations of acceptance, these beliefs become what is today called religion. Although some events might be explained in a more reasonable manner, people still tend to hold on to the past. There are limitations in their thinking and expressing ideas in clichés because sound bites, poems etc. are easier to remember. The unknown is explained and accepted relative to a person’s level of knowledge. Religion can be positive or negative i.e. Judaism. The Hebrews, being scribes have maintained certain principles over millenniums and are successful because of the principles not the rituals. The principles are thrift, brotherhood, merchandising, education, law, medicine and science. It goes without saying that as scribes they also control dialog (media). All of these things are positive for anyone to practice but theirs is bound in book form as sacred writings (Torah) and the practices carried out religiously. Their success lies in their ability to manipulate others while maintaining their culture. This has has proven to be successful because it is enshrined in "sacred texts". Even though history tells us that our ancient ancestors created the sciences that the Hebrew culture practices, the stories place them at the center of creation. Therefore myths coming out of biblical text is a reflection of their ingenuity in propagating their "chosen people" status.


A teacher once said that evolution leaves room for religion but in religion there is no room for evolution.[/quote]