Obama Renegs on Campaign Finance Promise

[1evitavresnoc]

Originally Posted by mgarvey4evr

obama's always been in white pockets, he was bought long ago and i dont
think he even thinks og himseelf as black. i might still vote for him bcause what alternative do black folks have?

The alternative you have is to stay true to your principles and vote for the person that more closely identifies with your principles. If their is no person that aligns with your principles, then you write in the person that does. If the Obamessiah does not offend you with his reneging of prior commitments, his Caesar Clintonius-like Sistah Souljah moment on Father's day, his pandering to illegal immigrants, his opting to not attend the MLK event on 04APR2008 at the Lorraine Motel and his countless other sleights, then pull the lever for him. If he does not measure up to your expectations, research the other choices and vote that way.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by mlr710

I changed my mind about a position I had on something 5 minutes ago...probably will do it again at some point in my life. I don't begrudge anyone, including a politician to change their position...indeed, its how damn every law gets passed...somebody has to change their mind. I doubt I will ever cast a vote for an individual incapable of recognizing that its okay to change your mind. I'm just flexible that way.

Changing your mind is when you don't prefer strawberries on your pancakes. Then later, you decide you like the flavor.

Promising something, then reversing that promise that you made to millions, that are supposed to trust you, and will vote for you based on your promises, is quite another. Let's not undermine the fundamental importance of leadership, character and commitment. Did GW Bush not teach you anything?

Reversing a commitment, because it suits you or your agenda, is a character flaw in any person. As decent, intelligent human beings, we need to take heed of one's character.

Be careful how you so easily justify the lies. For when he gets in office and decides to change his mind, as so so many other presidents have done before him, only serves to reaffirm the reality that Obama is not about change.

We need leaders to stop "changing their minds" and be able to follow through on their commitments and promises.

[mlr710]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Changing your mind is when you don't prefer strawberries on your pancakes. Then later, you decide you like the flavor.

Promising something, then reversing that promise that you made to millions, that are supposed to trust you, and will vote for you based on your promises, is quite another. Let's not undermine the fundamental importance of leadership, character and commitment. Did GW Bush not teach you anything?

Reversing a commitment, because it suits you or your agenda, is a character flaw in any person. As decent, intelligent human beings, we need to take heed of one's character.

Be careful how you so easily justify the lies. For when he gets in office and decides to change his mind, as so so many other presidents have done before him, only serves to reaffirm the reality that Obama is not about change.

We need leaders to stop "changing their minds" and be able to follow through on their commitments and promises.

Evolving is changing...as time passes, one can evolve from a prior belief. Many of my political positions that I held when I was in college, have changed. That happens as circumstances and time EVOLVE. That's how we move forward, by not being so stagnant and stubborn that you refuse to do so. WHo the hell cares if you make a promise to one or to a million if clearly the situation as it WAS, is no longer? Should a person be so absolute that they don't acknowledge the change?? Funny....the argument of a constitutional constructionist is that you really CAN'T change, that's the mantra of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and the like. I don't buy the "you said so now you can't change your mind no matter what" argument. Never will.

[MrAtlanta]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Mr. Atlanta, how consistently sad!

Where I come from, a lie is a lie. Like typical politics, Obama is choosing which rules and promises he wants to follow and honor. Mr. Atlanta, if you want to support dishonesty and corruption, that is your choice. You and politicans like Obama, are what is fundamentally wrong with the system today: Leaders have no credibility and too many 'followers' are willing to make excuses for those they wish to support.

I called out Bush on his dishonesty and so many other white politiicans. If you are not willing to stand by what you say, you shouldn't promise to do it. It's that simple.

All that blabber about why he needs the money is like a bank robber justifying why the bank should be robbed, ignoring the fact that a far worse deed was committed.

Whether you agree with Obama's lie is anohter issue, but this latest act proves that, once again, Obama's is acting like politicians of today and past. These tactics are nothing new. And since he continues to prove he is nothing new, it would be rediculous to think he would be about change.

America's problems require something more than an UncleTom community organizer from one of the worse states in the country.

Once again, DBlack, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You could take a poll of 1,000 individuals and ask them to list the top 10 issues that concern them the most as voters, and I'm quite certain that this issue wouldn't even make the list(s).

This country is in dire straits right now with a number of REAL and important issues on the table, and I don't think this "issue" (if you wanna call it that) is anything to get overly excited about. The only people crying foul over this are your dyed-in-the-wool McCain supporters, and those with an extreme predisposition towards hating Obama on a personal level. And as we all know, there's nothing that Obama could say or do to satisfy these two groups of people. As far as they're concerned, he's on the wrong side of every political issue there is in existence. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Now if he decides to reverse himself on REAL political issues like lifting the ban on off-shore drilling; the troop withdrawal from Iraq, or deciding, all of a sudden, that affirmative action is outdated or is no longer needed in this country, then we'll have something to talk about. But this is a non-starter for the vast majority of us in this country who are paying higher gasoline prices, and by extension higher food prices.

As long as the campaign is being financed largely by THE PEOPLE and not corporate lobbyists, I have no problems with him exercising his right to "opt out" of the system.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by mlr710

Evolving is changing...as time passes, one can evolve from a prior belief. Many of my political positions that I held when I was in college, have changed. That happens as circumstances and time EVOLVE. That's how we move forward, by not being so stagnant and stubborn that you refuse to do so. WHo the hell cares if you make a promise to one or to a million if clearly the situation as it WAS, is no longer? Should a person be so absolute that they don't acknowledge the change?? Funny....the argument of a constitutional constructionist is that you really CAN'T change, that's the mantra of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and the like. I don't buy the "you said so now you can't change your mind no matter what" argument. Never will.

You sound just like the white folks who have defended Bush for the last 8 years. I guess, by your standards, he was simply EVOLVING...!!!

Honesty and Credibility is not a moving target.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by MrAtlanta

Once again, DBlack, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You could take a poll of 1,000 individuals and ask them to list the top 10 issues that concern them the most as voters, and I'm quite certain that this issue wouldn't even make the list(s).

This country is in dire straits right now with a number of REAL and important issues on the table, and I don't think this "issue" (if you wanna call it that) is anything to get overly excited about. The only people crying foul over this are your dyed-in-the-wool McCain supporters, and those with an extreme predisposition towards hating Obama on a personal level. And as we all know, there's nothing that Obama could say or do to satisfy these two groups of people. As far as they're concerned, he's on the wrong side of every political issue there is in existence. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Now if he decides to reverse himself on REAL political issues like lifting the ban on off-shore drilling; the troop withdrawal from Iraq, or deciding, all of a sudden, that affirmative action is outdated or is no longer needed in this country, then we'll have something to talk about. But this is a non-starter for the vast majority of us in this country who are paying higher gasoline prices, and by extension higher food prices.

As long as the campaign is being financed largely by THE PEOPLE and not corporate lobbyists, I have no problems with him exercising his right to "opt out" of the system.

I'm not making a mountain out of this. I'm calling Obama out on his hypocrisy the same way I have other leaders, white and black, for many many years. Go back and read my post history.

Make excuses for poor leadership and credibility and we will continue to do so.

What's really pathetic and sad is that YOU, like many have put alot of faith in a MAN, because of what he's PROMISED. He hasn't PROVEN anything to give you reason to beleive he will make good on his empty PROMISES. Yet, you spend many a effort to excuse when he renegs on his promises.

So, I'm curious, when will you start beleiving what he says? Oh, let me guess...you will only count the good things. The bad deeds commited, you will simply ignore or defend....the same tired, pathetic and immoral conduct that whites have commited for years and years. I want better leadership. Too bad you don't.

It is this type of mindset from Black America that will continue to get us nowhere.

[mlr710]

Originally Posted by DBlack

You sound just like the white folks who have defended Bush for the last 8 years. I guess, by your standards, he was simply EVOLVING...!!!

Honesty and Credibility is not a moving target.

Well there goes your credibility...the one thing about the Bush administration's policies and their positions is that they NEVER changed, regardless of what facts where presented in front of them...I mean really, have you missed ALL of the various reports and investigations over the past few years that say precisely that?? For goodness sakes, it was the main point of Scott McClellan's book.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by mlr710

Well there goes your credibility...the one thing about the Bush administration's policies and their positions is that they NEVER changed, regardless of what facts where presented in front of them...I mean really, have you missed ALL of the various reports and investigations over the past few years that say precisely that?? For goodness sakes, it was the main point of Scott McClellan's book.

Wow, you have some nerve calling my credibility into question. It is I that pointed out Obama's lies and it is YOU that chose to make excuses for them. This thread is not about Bush or anyone else.

But since you when there, allow me to brush you up on what you pretend to not understand for the futile sake of defending the indefensible: Bush LIED (you would call it evolution) about the Iraq WMD situation. He later joked about the mistake and then later acknowledge that they didnt have them. There is no question that Bush lied, like so many politicians. I don't see how obama is any different, especially since he just voted to continue funding the war AGAIN! You would call this a simple "change of mind" or "evolution".

Scott McClellan eventually capitulated on his assertions about Bush and Cheney, so it's ludicrous that you would use him as any evidence to the contrarty.

Let's not try a typical Obama tactic of diversion and projection. When leaders are entrusted to lead and guide, we should be able to TRUST that their vision, guidance, direrction and commitments are solid and steadfast. Changing one's mind because it suits them is not evolution, honest and honorable in any way. If you or any of us are willing to do that, then we are just as dishonorable as the powerbrokers in Washington.

If Obama is the man you wish to beleive he is, you owe it to your fellow man to support him with true merit and fact, not hypocritical, self-serving agendas.

My crediblity is solid. Go back and review my post history. While I am staunchly pro-black (anti-UncleTom), I bring the heat of scrutiny to ALL that are against us and detrimental to our cause. But so many modern day blacks as yourself, have become byproducts of the very system that keeps us dumb, gullible and blind.

Funny how you are so quick to criticize the established leadership, but when Obama is quilty of the same, your excuse are that of an overflowing stench.....sad.

[mlr710]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Wow, you have some nerve calling my credibility into question. It is I that pointed out Obama's lies and it is YOU that chose to make excuses for them. This thread is not about Bush or anyone else.

But since you when there, allow me to brush you up on what you pretend to not understand for the futile sake of defending the indefensible: Bush LIED (you would call it evolution) about the Iraq WMD situation. He later joked about the mistake and then later acknowledge that they didnt have them. There is no question that Bush lied, like so many politicians. I don't see how obama is any different, especially since he just voted to continue funding the war AGAIN! You would call this a simple "change of mind" or "evolution".

Scott McClellan eventually capitulated on his assertions about Bush and Cheney, so it's ludicrous that you would use him as any evidence to the contrarty.

Let's not try a typical Obama tactic of diversion and projection. When leaders are entrusted to lead and guide, we should be able to TRUST that their vision, guidance, direrction and commitments are solid and steadfast. Changing one's mind because it suits them is not evolution, honest and honorable in any way. If you or any of us are willing to do that, then we are just as dishonorable as the powerbrokers in Washington.

If Obama is the man you wish to beleive he is, you owe it to your fellow man to support him with true merit and fact, not hypocritical, self-serving agendas.

My crediblity is solid. Go back and review my post history. While I am staunchly pro-black (anti-UncleTom), I bring the heat of scrutiny to ALL that are against us and detrimental to our cause. But so many modern day blacks as yourself, have become byproducts of the very system that keeps us dumb, gullible and blind.

Funny how you are so quick to criticize the established leadership, but when Obama is quilty of the same, your excuse are that of an overflowing stench.....sad.

Have you been watching FoxNews? You are really starting to rant like Hannity...not responding to what was actually said, but going off on some non-sensical ramblings in order to divert and change the subject altogether. Sorry but I don't suffer from ADD. That WMD method doesn't work with me.

Back to what was actually being discussed - The Bush Administration has never wavered from their original stances on anything, which is exactly the opposite of changing (evolving), which is what my original and subsequent posts were about...but now because quite clearly anyone of age with a pulse knows the biggest criticism of the Bush regime has been their stubborness, you STUBBORNLY ignore that and go on some rant about (on expected que) the ever-present "Tom". You are really quite predictable....I expected at least a 2 Tom retort, so on that note, I am disappointed.

[DBlack]

And what does that rant have to do with Obama? You want to totally redirect this to something that distracts from the point.

I'm sure even you can comprehend that Bush is a liar. Obama is a liar. When you promise something and 'change your mind' as you choose to label it, that's called a lie.

An evolution is when you have one view and learn things that guide you to another view. We evolve in thought as we may think one day today, and through honest, sincere learning, think a different way tomorrow. Changing your views because you benefits you is dishonest and you know it. Stop acting like you don't know any better. Then again, maybe you really don't!

Obama's evolutions (your term) are typical of today's political maneuvering and posturing. How many evolutions will you tolerate? Or will you show yourself to be just another black woman with a free mind, just incapable of actually using it?

I look back on your post history, and you are full of white-hot criticism for the white power base, from education to government. But you don't sweeten your description of their acts of dishonesty as 'evolution', now do you?

Not my fault you can't tell the difference between true and a lie.