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Old July 24th, 2008, 07:06 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Old July 24th, 2008, 07:37 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Indeed J O479 have brought some valid points to light. One thing about it, history is taking place as we speak. No question about it.

Personally, I'm not overly excited about Obama but I don't hate him either.
Please note, I was not too excited about Hilary either. I basically just want a Democrat in there because I view them as the lesser threat. And, I just felt she had a better chance of winning the election for the party. However, Obama is in and I support him.

And, I do wonder about some of the hostility towards Obama.

Distancing himself from other black leaders could be an issue. The thing is he is "only" getting away from the Rev Wright during the election since the Rev apparent ally won't shut his mouth. [ Funny how "no one" here calls the Rev a "tom" for sabotaging another black man's rise but that is another issue ] But, what about the fact that Obama was content to be in Wright's church for all these many years? It's funny how white conservatives read so much into that while blacks (in here at least) seem to ignore it. Why is that ?

And, what about his voting record in Congress? If he just stays true to that, he is not in the same ball park as say Clarence Thomas.

It is funny but this makes me think of O.J. Simpson and how people supported him even though he had spent a life time completely distancing himself from almost every thing black including even tossing out his black wife and kids.

Obama is not in this O.J./Clarence Thomas category in my view. No life time of deeply ambivalent and/or even anti-black action. Obama seems to be only pulling away for the sake of the election. And, I'm not saying that type of political maneuvering is not lacking in integrity. But, we know from Jesse's run at the presidency that an overly black focused guy has less appeal out side of the black community. So, what should Obama do sabotage his shot at the presidency.

And, as Jewel said, even if Obama does nothing at all, blacks will still benefit from having a black president.
 
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Old July 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #63 (permalink)
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FOR ME, IT IS HIS AFFILIATION WITH THE VERY WHITE IMPERIALIST FAMILIES, ELITE SOCIETIES, & CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE EXPLOITED AFRICA (AS POINTED OUT BY THE HONORABLE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY). HIS BEHAVIOUR IS AN EFFORT TO PROTECT WHITE INTERESTS FIRST! THATS WHAT MAKES HIM AN UNCLE TOM AND ALL OTHER UNCLE TOMS & TOMASINAS. I COULD CARE LESS WHAT HIS BLOODLINE IS. THATS A NON-ISSUE NEXT TO HIS POLITICAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE WEALTHY TOP 1% WHO RUN THIS COUNTRY...IN FACT THE WORLD! WHAT KIND OF CHANGE COULD THERE REALLY BE. HE'S SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH THE SAME CROWD WHO BEEN RUNNIN SHYT!


"A Cast of 300 Advises Obama on Foreign Policy"

Elisabeth Bumiller
NY Times
July 18, 2008

COMMENT: In addition to the ‘dream team’ of CFR war-mongers Obama announced to his National Security working group in recent weeks are Colin ‘yellow cake’ Powell (along with Robert Gates, who Obama may retain as Defense Secretary), Hillary’s would-have-been Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke and former Clinton administration adviser Dennis Ross.


WASHINGTON — Every day around 8 a.m., foreign policy aides at Senator Barack Obama’s Chicago campaign headquarters send him two e-mails: a briefing on major world developments over the previous 24 hours and a set of questions, accompanied by suggested answers, that the candidate is likely to be asked about international relations during the day.

One recent Q. & A. asked, for example, whether Mr. Obama supported the decision by Iraq’s prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to include a timetable for American troop withdrawal in any new security agreements with the United States. The answer, provided to Mr. Obama with bullet points, was yes — or “a genuine opportunity,” as he put it in a speech on Iraq this week.

Behind the e-mail messages is a tight-knit group of aides supported by a huge 300-person foreign policy campaign bureaucracy, organized like a mini State Department, to assist a candidate whose limited national security experience remains a concern to many voters.

“It is unwieldy, no question,” said Denis McDonough, 38, Mr. Obama’s top foreign policy aide, speaking of an infrastructure that has been divided into 20 teams based on regions and issues, and that has recently absorbed, with some tensions, the top foreign policy advisers from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign. “But an administration is unwieldy, too. We also know that it’s messier when you don’t get as much information as you can.”

The group is on the spot this week as Mr. Obama is planning to make his first overseas foray as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, with voters at home and leaders abroad watching closely to see how he handles himself on the global stage.

Unlike George W. Bush, who entered the presidential race in 2000 with scant exposure to national security issues, Mr. Obama has served since his election to the Senate in 2004 on the Foreign Relations Committee and has had a running tutorial from aides steeped in the issues. His campaign says that he is well prepared and that he often alters and expands on the talking points provided to him by his foreign policy advisers.

Most of the core members of his team served in government during President Bill Clinton’s administration and by and large were junior to the advisers who worked on Mrs. Clinton’s campaign for the Democratic nomination. But they remain in charge within the campaign even as it takes on more senior figures from the Clinton era, like two former secretaries of state, Madeleine K. Albright and Warren Christopher, and are positioned to put their own stamp on the party’s foreign policy.

Most of them, like the candidate they are working for, distinguished themselves from Mrs. Clinton’s foreign policy camp by early opposition to the Iraq war. They also tend to be more liberal and to emphasize using the “soft power” of diplomacy and economic aid to try to advance the interests of the United States. Still, their positions fall well within centrist Democratic foreign policy thinking, and none of the deep policy fissures that have divided the Republicans into two camps, the neoconservatives and the so-called pragmatists, have opened.

Mr. Obama’s core team is led by Susan E. Rice, an assistant secretary of state for African affairs in the Clinton administration, who has pushed for a tougher response to the crisis in the Darfur region of Sudan, and Anthony Lake, Mr. Clinton’s first national security adviser, who was criticized for the administration’s failure to confront the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and now acknowledges the inaction as a major mistake.

The core group also includes Gregory B. Craig, a former top official in the Clinton State Department who served as the president’s lawyer during his impeachment trial; Richard J. Danzig, a Navy secretary in the Clinton administration; Mark W. Lippert, Mr. Obama’s former Senate foreign policy adviser, who just returned from a Navy tour of duty in Iraq; and Mr. McDonough.

Mr. McDonough and Mr. Lippert are paid by the campaign and based in Chicago, and the rest are outside advisers who volunteer their time from Washington.

The group no longer includes Samantha Power, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard human rights expert who resigned in March after she was quoted calling Mrs. Clinton a “monster.” But Mr. Lake still talks to Ms. Power, and Mr. Obama sent a long personal tribute that was read at her wedding in Ireland this month.

Mr. Obama’s Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, has a far smaller and looser foreign policy advisory operation, about 75 people in all, and none are organized into teams. In 2004, the Democratic presidential nominee, Senator John Kerry, had a foreign policy structure similar in scale to Mr. Obama’s, but it had limited influence on the candidate, who had spent 20 years in the Senate, former advisers said. Mr. Obama is not yet receiving the government intelligence briefing that is typically made available to a presidential candidate upon becoming his party’s nominee.

Mr. Obama’s infrastructure funnels hundreds of e-mail messages and reams of position papers and talking points each day to members of the core group, who in turn seek advice or make requests for more information to team members down the line. Dennis Ross, the Middle East envoy for Mr. Clinton and the first President Bush and a member of the Obama campaign’s Middle East team, is frequently asked by Ms. Rice, Mr. Lake or Mr. McDonough for help on framing Mr. Obama’s comments on Iran’s nuclear program and its potential threat to Israel.

“They’ve asked for substantive help: ‘Can I take a look at language on Iran?’ ” Mr. Ross said. “Or sometimes I’ve been asked questions to explain the administration’s approach on Iran.” Mr. Ross participated in a conference call last week with Mr. Obama and other advisers to prepare for the senator’s foreign trip, and he will travel with Mr. Obama in Israel and the West Bank city of Ramallah and at other stops. Mr. Ross described Mr. Obama in the conference call as focused on “drilling down” into the issues on the trip.

Another person who has contributed outside advice is former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, whom Mr. Obama has been wooing. Mr. Powell, a Republican, has a friendship of decades with Mr. McCain, but friends say he has felt excluded from Mr. McCain’s foreign policy operation and was impressed when Mr. Obama called on him in June. Mr. Powell also met around the same time with Mr. McCain.

From day to day, the main point of contact with Mr. Obama and his foreign policy team is Mr. McDonough, who is soon to be joined in Chicago by Mr. Lippert. “If there’s something big in the morning, we will either e-mail or call Obama,” said Mr. Lippert, who performed a similar job, although on a smaller scale, when he was Mr. Obama’s foreign policy adviser in the Senate. “So instead of having 20 people at your fingertips, you have 300. The pressure is there, the time is much shorter, but the principle is the same — lining up the calls, briefing the candidate, e-mails, op-eds, statements.”

Out in the netherworld of the 300, advisers often say they are unclear about what happens to all the policy paragraphs they churn out on request. “It’s all mysterious what we send him and what gets to him,” said Michael A. McFaul, a Russia scholar at Stanford University who leads the Russia and Eurasia team for the Obama campaign.

Other team leaders include Ivo H. Daalder, a scholar at the Brookings Institution who has organized his 40-member nuclear nonproliferation team into eight working groups, and Philip H. Gordon, another scholar at the institution, who is in charge of Mr. Obama’s Europe team.

Although Mr. Obama’s team has yet to show any public evidence of deep policy divisions, it has its share of personal tensions, not least those born of integrating Mrs. Clinton’s former advisers into the effort. In that process, the old Clinton administration hierarchy has been turned upside down.

One person who is not a team leader — and who was not included in a 13-member “senior working group” that the Obama campaign announced last month — is Richard Holbrooke, a United Nations ambassador under Mr. Clinton who was mentioned as a potential secretary of state if Mrs. Clinton had won the presidency. Mr. Holbrooke has long had a rivalry with Mr. Lake, who was widely criticized in Washington for his performance as national security adviser in the Clinton White House.

The Obama campaign has since said that Mr. Holbrooke, who mediated an end to the war in Bosnia in 1995, is on the team. But Mr. Holbrooke, who declined to comment, has found himself in the position of a general from a defeated army who must now seek peace.

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Old July 25th, 2008, 12:58 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Personally, I'm not overly excited about Obama but I don't hate him either.
Please note, I was not too excited about Hilary either. I basically just want a Democrat in there because I view them as the lesser threat. And, I just felt she had a better chance of winning the election for the party. However, Obama is in and I support him.
Elegantly stated. In this situation with Obama, there's an issues where you can't help but me apprehensive considering the trackrecord of some of our own elected officials from our communities(which is shake given that so rarely talk the talk & walk the walk). But at the same time, we can't go out like a Judas.
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And, I do wonder about some of the hostility towards Obama.
Agreed. Maybe, some are threaten by the fact that he sends out some strong messages. He's made it clear to the public/media that he encouraging the political parties to work more collabortively in the House & Senate. Also through his actions, he states loud and clear that there is power in the martial union of Strong Black Man & Women (defying stereotypical images of fractured Black Familial stuctures in America).

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Distancing himself from other black leaders could be an issue.
True. This could be his achilles heel, if he lets it be. Approach is everything. So far, so good.[/quote]
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The thing is he is "only" getting away from the Rev Wright during the election since the Rev apparent ally won't shut his mouth. [ Funny how "no one" here calls the Rev a "tom" for sabotaging another black man's rise but that is another issue
True. Eventhough the Rev was being overly blunt with the truth, there is a time and place for everything . And in this political climate, Brothas & Sistas got to be cognizant of timing in order not to get caught up in the divide and conqure spin zones (congured by the powers that be) to avoid looking like a Judas.

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But, what about the fact that Obama was content to be in Wright's church for all these many years? It's funny how white conservatives read so much into that while blacks (in here at least) seem to ignore it. Why is that ?
Valid point. The political agenda of many is surprising.



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And, what about his voting record in Congress? If he just stays true to that, he is not in the same ball park as say Clarence Thomas.
Indeed. A lot of people tend to conviently forget this fact. You can't help but question their intent.

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It is funny but this makes me think of O.J. Simpson and how people supported him even though he had spent a life time completely distancing himself from almost every thing black including even tossing out his black wife and kids.
You know what, I think Johnny Cochran was this Oreo cookie's saving grace. Now, if OJ would've had this brotha on the case, most of us probably wouldn't have given a about him or the case. Since, it resembled a typical senario where a man leaves his wife for a groupie(who turns out to be part of his demise) and his life goes down here from there.

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]Obama is not in this O.J./Clarence Thomas category in my view. No life time of deeply ambivalent and/or even anti-black action. Obama seems to be only pulling away for the sake of the election. And, I'm not saying that type of political maneuvering is not lacking in integrity. But, we know from Jesse's run at the presidency that an overly black focused guy has less appeal out side of the black community. So, what should Obama do sabotage his shot at the presidency. [/b].
Agreed. As long as this Brotha stays on his current path, he can't go wrong.
 
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Elegantly stated. In this situation with Obama, there's an issues where you can't help but me apprehensive considering the trackrecord of some of our own elected officials from our communities(which is shake given that so rarely talk the talk & walk the walk). But at the same time, we can't go out like a Judas.
At the least, Obama's record says he is no different from certain white Democrats many blacks laud over. I'm hoping for more but I won't be surprised if there is less.

But, what is the alternative vote for the racist McCain. I don't think so.

As the Clarence Thomas debacle shows, blindly ignoring a person's record and associations just because he is black, can be very dangerous. And, people should beware of that since some "brothers" are no brother. But, Obama's record is not like that of Clarence and people should consider that too.


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Agreed. Maybe, some are threaten by the fact that he sends out some strong messages. He's made it clear to the public/media that he encouraging the political parties to work more collabortively in the House & Senate. Also through his actions, he states loud and clear that there is power in the martial union of Strong Black Man & Women (defying stereotypical images of fractured Black Familial stuctures in America).
Malcolm X had spoken much harsher about behavior in black America than Obama has. But, he is not seen as a "tom" because it is not the harshness, it is the messenger and how he states it.

Obama is no Malcolm X but he is also not like Clarence Thomas who ripped into his own sister in a public tirade, for being on welfare, while doing nothing himself -- to my knowledge -- to help her. I mean, with his money, did he consider renting a room (cheaply) to her ? (I know an Asian coworker who was renting a room from a relative at a below market rate.) Did he consider helping get her a good job in his office ? Many of these other people didn't get up there alone. They had help from family, friends and the community.

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True. This could be his achilles heel, if he lets it be. Approach is everything. So far, so good.
Hopefully, he can still rectify it ?

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True. Eventhough the Rev was being overly blunt with the truth, there is a time and place for everything . And in this political climate, Brothas & Sistas got to be cognizant of timing in order not to get caught up in the divide and conqure spin zones (congured by the powers that be) to avoid looking like a Judas.




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You know what, I think Johnny Cochran was this Oreo cookie's saving grace. Now, if OJ would've had this brotha on the case, most of us probably wouldn't have given a about him or the case. Since, it resembled a typical senario where a man leaves his wife for a groupie(who turns out to be part of his demise) and his life goes down here from there.
When the O.J. case came out, I sometimes saw it as a white on white struggle because of O.J.'s history. I was surprised at the enthusiasm people engage in. I mean I support his rights and all that. But, I'm not jumping up and down for him. Come on. What has O.J. done to deserve that kind of support ? Personally, I think a lot of that was more about spitting in white America's face (especially since it came right after Rodney King) than in believing or liking O.J. but still.


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Agreed. As long as this Brotha stays on his current path, he can't go wrong.
 
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