May I ask why anyone would view Obama as a modern day Uncle Tom ?

[serene]

The most important elections to me personally, are the ones that are about the house. The senate, the house of representatives. Thats where i think the power lies. Why don't we criticize them as much as we do those who are running for president. The president is just a spokesperson when you really think about. Whether black, white, democrat, republician or indepedent. Yes, they make very important decision, but do they really make those decisisons themselves.

I think thats where the trouble lies. Thread after thread about obama, but nothing on those in the house. None on the individuals in the house. Aren't they suppose to represents (if u believe that but if u don't pretend). I really think our elected representatives seem to get forgotten about.

And whomever said that he's running for president of American and not black America is a 1000 percent correct. And simply, if u don't like him, then don't vote for him. He doesn't share you views, your vision, then don't vote for him.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

Why are we examining individuals and their personal morality?
It isn't any individual that is our problem it is the whole damn system!!!

Once we realize that we stop having discussion about Obama or Mc Cain or anyone else every four years. Then we Start having discussion and struggling for our own Solutions outside of the Democratic Party, Outside of the Republican Party, Outside of White Power, Outside of Parasitic Capitalism.


We Start looking like we want Self-Determination cuz that is what we need!!!

Great Question! The answer:

Because the 'whole damn system' is build by people. If people are corrupt and immoral, then so is the systems they erect and maintain. You cannot ignore the moral composition of the individual that is in a position to impact the lives of others. Until the individual leaders improve, the organization that they control and impact will continue to suffer. And, unfortunately, so will people of that society.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by serene

The most important elections to me personally, are the ones that are about the house. The senate, the house of representatives. Thats where i think the power lies. Why don't we criticize them as much as we do those who are running for president. The president is just a spokesperson when you really think about. Whether black, white, democrat, republician or indepedent. Yes, they make very important decision, but do they really make those decisisons themselves.

I think thats where the trouble lies. Thread after thread about obama, but nothing on those in the house. None on the individuals in the house. Aren't they suppose to represents (if u believe that but if u don't pretend). I really think our elected representatives seem to get forgotten about.

And whomever said that he's running for president of American and not black America is a 1000 percent correct. And simply, if u don't like him, then don't vote for him. He doesn't share you views, your vision, then don't vote for him.

Several answers to your question:

Individual Senators and House Representatives have far little impact than what a president can effect.

You need to go back and read more posts here. We have grilled tons of white politicians. Take some time to read more.

This is a discussion forum. We discuss. You seem to have no problem in supporting and ranting about issues you like, so show the same tolerance for others that share a different viewpoint. To have a philosophy and viewpoint, and to be willing to exchange it with others intelligently, is what discussion forums is all about.

[Juice.]

Originally Posted by Jewels0479

He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America.

I'm so damn tired of that argument. No more. It's not a valid response to any of the perfectly reasonable questions that some Blacks raise about Obama.

For the topic, here's a list of reasons why Obama is a modern day Uncle Tom:

- During the Ronald Reagan years, Reagan introduced racist economic policies which turned the low-income neighborhoods of America into sub-standard hell holes. His policies encouraged the rise of the crack-epidemic. The murder rate for the United States exploded under Reagans policies. And than subsided under Clinton's. Yet, for some reason, white folks tend to praise Reagans policies as being progressive.

Obama is infected with the virus that is Reaganism. He has abandoned the progressive principles that made even the most conservative Democrats appealing even when they sold out to AIPAC and led popularist policies. The same people who funded Ronald Reagan are now funding Obama's campaign, which is why he's out there promising to steal right-wing ideas.

- He constantly talks about "coming together" with the neoconservatives and white establishment to run America. This is nonsense because it's impossible to co-run a country with people that believe in the exact opposite of everything that Blacks and minorities believe in.

- Where's the emphasis on poverty and economic inequality? Why is it that whenever he talks about this essential Black issue, he doesn't even talk about the hood or about Blacks? Even Bill Clinton did that much. Why does he never talk about raising minimum wages to a living wage? Instead he talks about how the middle class whites are "suffering" from high gas prices and how we need to help the middle class whites and not the Blacks. All I hear are the same vague platitudes over and over again.

- And finally, the most irrefutable reason. Obama criticizes black men on a regular basis. But, when Jeremiah Wright said some real **** and criticized White America, Obama did everything and anything he could to prove to white America that he was a good boy. He held multiple press conferences condemning Wright and even went as far as quitting his church of decades to prove to white America that he could be trusted to uphold the current system. Do I need to spell it out for you?

Of course I would prefer Obama to McCain, and there are many things I agree with Obama on. But when it gets down to it, John McCain and Barack Obama are actually very similar. Neither one of them supports pro-Black policies. Neither one of them plan to change the current Capitalist system in any way. Neither one of them supports a single payer health program, which is actually favored by a majority of the people in this country. Neither of them plan to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq. And both of them support Israel and bash Iran on a regular basis. McKinney, Kucinich, and Nader; all third party candidates, are much more progressive than Obama or McCain. To bad they can't win because the large majority of American voters are sheep not capable of individual political thought.

But that’s beside the point. Obviously, pro-Black policies aren’t what’s finally gonna free black people from the poverty cycle or end our struggle against this American system. It’s the emotional comfort of knowing that, while our ancestors were brought to this country’s shores in shackles and forced to work as slaves for hundreds of years, we’ve now arrived at the point where we can elect a president who’s kinda black.

[DBlack]

Very Well articulated! On Point!

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Comeon now,

You putting that much weight into McCain calling people gooks?!

Too much weight ??? View this you tube video. This asian doesn't seem to think McCain's usage of the term "gook" is alright and he seems to read much into it.

"Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters"
YouTube - Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

Originally Posted by DBlack

Considering that he was fighting against them in war, and was tortured and held captive by them as a P.O.W., I think his animosity is justified. I'm not defending the man, but life as P.O.W. is about horror, pain, torture, isolation on a protracted basis.

Well, as the commentator in that you tube video I just gave pointed out, no matter what kind of a fighting hassle he had had in say Africa, it wouldn't be acceptable for him to use the N-word. Would it ?

And, that commentator is right.

It is not acceptable to use "gook" either. He can hate the scum who tortured him; he can hate the Communist leadership; but it is not acceptable for him to indict the entire Asian race which the use of the word "gook" does.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by onelove917

Too much weight ??? View this you tube video. This asian doesn't seem to think McCain's usage of the term "gook" is alright and he seems to read much into it.

"Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters"
YouTube - Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters




Well, as the commentator in that you tube video I just gave pointed out, no matter what kind of a fighting hassle he had had in say Africa, it wouldn't be acceptable for him to use the N-word. Would it ?

And, that commentator is right.

It is not acceptable to use "gook" either. He can hate the scum who tortured him; he can hate the Communist leadership; but it is not acceptable for him to indict the entire Asian race which the use of the word "gook" does.

Preach!.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by DBlack

If you really want to know why people here feel the way they do, use our search feature and enter "obama" and "uncletom". You will find alot of posts on the issue; many from me. And if you find something you think is wrong, respectfully challenge it. Nothing wrong with passionate debate on the issue.

I've already begun viewing and posting on the Obama issue elsewhere, thank you. But, don't forget, I'm simply following a previously given bit of advise in beginning this discussion here.

Originally Posted by DBlack

Far as I know McCain never called me a "N", so I'm not hurt by him insulting vietnamese.

If he had fought in the war in Zimbabwe and then proceeded to hate all Africans for what some guys did there, would you still feel that way ?

Originally Posted by DBlack

That's for the vietnamese to address.

First he came for the "gooks" but I did not care because I was not a "gook." Then, he came for the . . . ?

Originally Posted by DBlack

And while I hate wars, especially unjust wars, I can't help but respect a man's ability to survive horrendous conditions and return to his country to live a life of public service. I can appreciate the power of the human condition. That being said, I think McCain is borderline crazy. But at least I know he's a man of courage and is by no means a modern day conservative. He's paid a personal price that he's still living with to this day.

What do you think about Hitler being gassed during World War one ?

Originally Posted by DBlack

Would anybody hear wish prison camps on their worst enemy?

Wasn't David Duke over in Vietnam. I'm uncertain but I think he avoided actual combat. But, the angry part of me would not mind if he spent some time in the Vietnamese camp and with them knowing who and what he is too.

Originally Posted by DBlack

Obama has just got far too too many negatives. These are facts, not fiction. From the inexperience, to the hypocrisy, to the lies, to the special interest distortions, to his piss poor record on voting (worse in senate right now), his abandonment of most black civil right organizations and leaders, his forsaking of close associates and friends at any whim of controversy, it just goes on and on.

I understand the intoxicating lure of hope and change, but there has to be evidence of that in someone in order for others to intelligently expect or even dream of those wishes to come to fruition.

History has been proven, that when we expect man to do that which he has never done before, man disappoints us every time.

Jewels0479's words in post 39 are probably the best answer to this.

I dont really understand peoples rejection of Obama. I'm not politically savvy so I'm not going to argue his politics but I will say this....He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America. In order to be able to effect the change that we want, he has to appeal to the masses. He won't get elected gearing his entire campaign towards the needs of black people. He would shut out all other voters and the thereby lose the election. That seems like common sense to me. The fact of the matter is that many blacks in America do not want to go back to Africa, they want to co-exist and be treated fairly in AMERICA. I believe that is possible. He may only be half black but he is married to a black woman and his children are black. That says a lot to me because he could have married a white woman who was more beneficial to him in a number of ways. At the end of the day, we are living, working and raising our families in America and we have a choice to make. McCain or Obama. Who will you choose?
Also, maybe the naysayers should look at the broader picture. How could Obama being elected the next president HURT black people? If he did nothing at all to help blacks, he has at the very least opened the door for the next black person to be elected president. He has shown young black men that someone who looks like them can run this country. They will then aspire to that and believe that they can realistically achieve that. Belief in self is the catalyst for all achievement so my hat goes off to Obama for painting that picture for our sons to see.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by onelove917

Jewels0479's words in post 39 are probably the best answer to this.

I dont really understand peoples rejection of Obama. I'm not politically savvy so I'm not going to argue his politics but I will say this....He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America. In order to be able to effect the change that we want, he has to appeal to the masses. He won't get elected gearing his entire campaign towards the needs of black people. He would shut out all other voters and the thereby lose the election. That seems like common sense to me. The fact of the matter is that many blacks in America do not want to go back to Africa, they want to co-exist and be treated fairly in AMERICA. I believe that is possible. He may only be half black but he is married to a black woman and his children are black. That says a lot to me because he could have married a white woman who was more beneficial to him in a number of ways. At the end of the day, we are living, working and raising our families in America and we have a choice to make. McCain or Obama. Who will you choose?
Also, maybe the naysayers should look at the broader picture. How could Obama being elected the next president HURT black people? If he did nothing at all to help blacks, he has at the very least opened the door for the next black person to be elected president. He has shown young black men that someone who looks like them can run this country. They will then aspire to that and believe that they can realistically achieve that. Belief in self is the catalyst for all achievement so my hat goes off to Obama for painting that picture for our sons to see.

Indeed J O479 have brought some valid points to light. One thing about it, history is taking place as we speak. No question about it.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Preach!.

Thank You !


PEACE !