May I ask why anyone would view Obama as a modern day Uncle Tom ?

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by PeaceSis

Sure, it's quite understandable that there are many who are opposed to Barack's candidacy at this time, but nevertheless, at the end of the day, it looks like there's a very HUGE chance that our next President of the United States of America will be Barack Obama and at that time he will have sufficient opportunity to prove himself a very capable President. There will ALWAYS be naysayers, critics, opponents, obstacles and he's faced many up to this point, yet look where he now finds himself. People will vote for Obama, McCain or no one. In light of the current state of the Union, who do you honestly think will take the oath this winter? I can say this. As a US citizen, I will surely exercise my right to vote and I am neither a Republican or Democrat. Though I can appreciate a man loyal to fight for his country, Senator McCain will not have my support for the presidency.

You don't have to vote. it's called a boycott. Ask Obama, he knows all about "no-votes". Just look at his Senatorial voting record at the state and federal level.

PeaceSis

The purpose of evaluating candidates beforehand is so we don't have to live through four to eight years of their incompetence. The attitude of putting someone in the position and hoping for the best is dangerous, irresponsible and contradictory to our civil duties as blacks first, americans second.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by RBG3

haha

Easy

He doesn't care about black people.

Ask yourself:

- What has obama said he would do for blacks specifically?
- How did he say he would do these things?
- When did he say he would do these things?
- Who is benefiting from his "changes"?
- How many people in his team are black?
- Who are the majority of his supporters?
- What is his agenda -> from a citizen standpoint?

The answers there will shock you, and have you calling him house more than me.

I bet you not one Obama supporter can or will answer your questions with any credibility.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by PeaceSis

There will ALWAYS be naysayers, critics, opponents, obstacles and he's faced many up to this point, yet look where he now finds himself.

True.

I was barely aware of Obama being anything not too long ago. I had the cable off for a long time (2 years + minus a brief on period of a few weeks); only restoring it within the last few months.

I have been unbelieving concerning his chances to win and preferred Hilary to any Republican. I was and still am afraid that many white people -- including many liberal white Democrats -- will simply not be able to bring themselves to vote for a black man when it comes down to it.

However, I had nothing against Obama personally. So, I am surprised at the harsh attacks on him. I want to people to explain why ?

Originally Posted by PeaceSis

As a US citizen, I will surely exercise my right to vote and I am neither a Republican or Democrat. Though I can appreciate a man loyal to fight for his country, Senator McCain will not have my support for the presidency.

I was an independent for many years before I finally decided to list myself as a Democrat; because I don't remember ever choosing to vote for a Republican.

The only thing the Republicans did that I liked was to raise the speed limit.

And, that racist hater McCain, who was openly calling Vietnamese people gooks some years ago, can go take a flying ... ah .... jump.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

The middle class has a certain interest.

You've mapped out your view very well. And, I don't deny that many guys place their self interest over the interest of the people. I do deny the such is strictly a class issue.

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

This is an objective material fact which can be determined by how they make their money which I gave examples of before such as a Funeral home owner who makes their money off of African people dying. There is no way around this.

Jobs like the Funeral home owner were left to blacks in the past because white Americans did not want such a level and type of contact with blacks. Place dealing with dead bodies is something that must be done. I'm uncertain of the image you portray here.

I'm also wondering if the Funeral home owner proves to you something about middle class blacks, what do you think about the poor black who goes out on the streets routinely and sells drugs to little kids; destroying their lives before they have a chance to have lives ? Is he not profiting off of the misery & death of his people ? And, do you feel such behavior says something about poor blacks ?

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

The African middle class makes their living off of the exploitation of thier own people.

Some do but what about black postal workers, black school teachers (most teachers of young blacks in the South have been black), black social workers, black dock workers, blacks in public transportation ?

I think you are being way to general here.

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

It doesn't matta which will be the same thing Obama wll do if he is the US president becuase as the US president it will be his job to carry out a policy hostile to African people.

Hostile forces in government & big business will continue their agenda, certainly, but Obama can do a lot to help the poor. It all depends on whether Obama doesn't care or whether he is just doing the moves to become President.

It is all fine and nice to say, "he should do this . . ." but if he did, his election chances would plummet. In the past, John Brown -- a staunch anti-slavery abolitionist -- could never have been elected President but the political abolitionist Abraham Lincoln could. Some point to his racist remarks. But, another once pointed out the fact that he was against black slavery. And, that was the main issue. Don't take your eyes off of the prize (to paraphrase J.Jackson) !

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

But the working class interests (not individuals from the class)
are to destroy this system/burn the plantation because they can not get anything out of this system. Their is no hope there is no life in this system.

What is in a peoples interest and what they do are two different things ?

Instead of dividing poor blacks from middle income blacks (who are mostly one paycheck away from disaster) with pseudo-marxist theories, lets drawn all of the disadvantaged together to push for better conditions. Many middle class blacks have only made it there on government jobs but that is not enough.

Black folk still face severe discrimination in the private sector. This discrimination also helps to keep poor blacks poor since --out side of Affirmative Action -- they cannot use the ladder many immigrants use.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

What makes you think that those donations where anything significant? They didn't help African people by the sounds of them probably Africans can't even use most of those resources.

Tell me how Historically black colleges do not help black people ?

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

Even if Africans where able to use them those institutions weren't to get us free and in the end thats all that matters.

What are institutions like TSU for then ? My grand aunt learned quality skills at Prairie View in Texas. She grew up on a farm in east Texas. She was by no means rich. And, she could not go to a white college back then. So, tell me again, how historically black colleges don't help poor blacks ?

Even if whites just allowed them to keep us away, these are still good for us. I wish we could get some built in California and New York.

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

And it is more than just morals that make a person successful but what they do in the material world for their people. Those people I named shed blood for you. Their is no way around that. The money somebody makes while the rest of their people are suffering means little to person givning their life so others don't suffer anymore.

I don't put them down. I don't agree with everything they say but I don't put them down either.

[Jewels0479]

I dont really understand peoples rejection of Obama. I'm not politically savvy so I'm not going to argue his politics but I will say this....He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America. In order to be able to effect the change that we want, he has to appeal to the masses. He won't get elected gearing his entire campaign towards the needs of black people. He would shut out all other voters and the thereby lose the election. That seems like common sense to me. The fact of the matter is that many blacks in America do not want to go back to Africa, they want to co-exist and be treated fairly in AMERICA. I believe that is possible. He may only be half black but he is married to a black woman and his children are black. That says a lot to me because he could have married a white woman who was more beneficial to him in a number of ways. At the end of the day, we are living, working and raising our families in America and we have a choice to make. McCain or Obama. Who will you choose?
Also, maybe the naysayers should look at the broader picture. How could Obama being elected the next president HURT black people? If he did nothing at all to help blacks, he has at the very least opened the door for the next black person to be elected president. He has shown young black men that someone who looks like them can run this country. They will then aspire to that and believe that they can realistically achieve that. Belief in self is the catalyst for all achievement so my hat goes off to Obama for painting that picture for our sons to see.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by onelove917

True.

I was barely aware of Obama being anything not too long ago. I had the cable off for a long time (2 years + minus a brief on period of a few weeks); only restoring it within the last few months.

I have been unbelieving concerning his chances to win and preferred Hilary to any Republican. I was and still am afraid that many white people -- including many liberal white Democrats -- will simply not be able to bring themselves to vote for a black man when it comes down to it.

However, I had nothing against Obama personally. So, I am surprised at the harsh attacks on him. I want to people to explain why ?




I was an independent for many years before I finally decided to list myself as a Democrat; because I don't remember ever choosing to vote for a Republican.

The only thing the Republicans did that I liked was to raise the speed limit.

And, that racist hater McCain, who was openly calling Vietnamese people gooks some years ago, can go take a flying ... ah .... jump.

If you feel that anyone is harshly attacking Obama, you should challenge on it.

Uh, and lots of black vets I know called Vietnamese 'gooks'. Most soldiers did. If thats enough reason for you to dislike somone then you should Hate Obama as well because his character has revealed far worse.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Jewels0479

I dont really understand peoples rejection of Obama. I'm not politically savvy so I'm not going to argue his politics but I will say this....He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America. In order to be able to effect the change that we want, he has to appeal to the masses. He won't get elected gearing his entire campaign towards the needs of black people. He would shut out all other voters and the thereby lose the election. That seems like common sense to me. The fact of the matter is that many blacks in America do not want to go back to Africa, they want to co-exist and be treated fairly in AMERICA. I believe that is possible. He may only be half black but he is married to a black woman and his children are black. That says a lot to me because he could have married a white woman who was more beneficial to him in a number of ways. At the end of the day, we are living, working and raising our families in America and we have a choice to make. McCain or Obama. Who will you choose?
Also, maybe the naysayers should look at the broader picture. How could Obama being elected the next president HURT black people? If he did nothing at all to help blacks, he has at the very least opened the door for the next black person to be elected president. He has shown young black men that someone who looks like them can run this country. They will then aspire to that and believe that they can realistically achieve that. Belief in self is the catalyst for all achievement so my hat goes off to Obama for painting that picture for our sons to see.

Very naive and misguided view. You admit you are not politically savvy. I strongly encourage you to read more about politics, the structure of our government and corruption.

Furthermore, although we all live in America, America has very distinct divisions, classes, and social borders. Don't kid yourself to think that any leader can effectively deal with all. But conventional wisdom has always proven right in that if one doesn't know how to care and lead his own, he is incapable of leading others. Kind of like the dad whow's home/family is a mess and is the governor of a state, or CEO of a cooperation? It speaks to character.

[jacqui]

Most and I do mean most black people have this insane drive to integrate and be accepted and validated by white people. So they could care less that Obama totally ignores, behaves as if blacks do not exist and when he does speak about black people it is in a disagreeable way.

So those blacks are the ones who lose their senses if you say you disagree with Obama. It is like they feel validated because whites are voting for Obama. Boy that Messiah mentality has really done trememdous harm to our community.

I would never ever teach my child to aspire to be the leader of such a wicked system. That is not an honorable position to have. My child would be taught to fight tirelessly for the freedom of our people.

But that is just me.

[PeaceSis]

Originally Posted by Jewels0479

I dont really understand peoples rejection of Obama. I'm not politically savvy so I'm not going to argue his politics but I will say this....He is running for President of United States of America, not the President of Blacks in America. In order to be able to effect the change that we want, he has to appeal to the masses. He won't get elected gearing his entire campaign towards the needs of black people. He would shut out all other voters and the thereby lose the election. That seems like common sense to me. The fact of the matter is that many blacks in America do not want to go back to Africa, they want to co-exist and be treated fairly in AMERICA. I believe that is possible. He may only be half black but he is married to a black woman and his children are black. That says a lot to me because he could have married a white woman who was more beneficial to him in a number of ways. At the end of the day, we are living, working and raising our families in America and we have a choice to make. McCain or Obama. Who will you choose?
Also, maybe the naysayers should look at the broader picture. How could Obama being elected the next president HURT black people? If he did nothing at all to help blacks, he has at the very least opened the door for the next black person to be elected president. He has shown young black men that someone who looks like them can run this country. They will then aspire to that and believe that they can realistically achieve that. Belief in self is the catalyst for all achievement so my hat goes off to Obama for painting that picture for our sons to see.

Bottom line, really!