May I ask why anyone would view Obama as a modern day Uncle Tom ?

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Apparently you don't know what an UncleTom is. And, you apparantly haven't really researched Obamas record. Do some legwork on your own and you will bettter understand why many blacks (although a minority) feel this way.

Ah, I have been thinking about the types & reasons for betrayal for years. Since a "brother" once set me up for his white friends, I have long wanted to know how to spot the "signs." - I'm still wondering about a black girl in my old integrated neighborhood who seemed to be in bed with "half" the whites in the area, and who acted as if being their "friend" made her superior.

I think some guys are just with whatever is advantageous to self at the moment: jackals. So, they join the pro-black march here and then rob/rape another black there. In an all, black area such guys are often the number one militant, by mouth. In the integrated area, such guys often the number one butt kisser.

Some other guys seemed to have developed a deeper feeling towards white folk. In my integrated experience, I've known a few guys who seem to hate any negro who was seen as bothering white people. And, seem to take great pride & pleasure in doing their dirty work e.g. that girl I spoke of above.

I'm wondering if Malcolm was right about his assertion of people "loving" the white people. I'm wondering if "love" is the right word; perhaps another word is better. I certainly want to distinguish this perverted worship of whiteness from Christian charity.

I have a hard time accepting that some one could venerate whites since, in my time, I have been in and out of hatred towards them. I can speak of it logically. However, I'm not able to feel it emotionally. But, I remember -- among other things -- how a black security guard charged out to angrily confront me when it looked like I was challenging light skinned people. That "brother" seemed to think his job was to protect whites from those dirty blacks. The integrated area has given me many such incidents over time.

So, I have spent much time wondering what a sell-out truly is ?

And, I rebel against those who casually throw it around e.g. "oh, he's a sell-out." Tell me why ?

[serene]

Because he's not running around with a pro black stand

I'm personally thru with talking about obama being a uncle tom, cuz ppl don't realize that half dat ish they are saying could be classified as such.

[Northeast APSP]

Originally Posted by onelove917

Malcolm's statement can be interpreted in more than one way. I don't deny that.

But again, as your own words on "class truth" imply, this statement has a potential to imply successful blacks are traitors (& I think it also feeds on black-vs-black jealousy) and I rebel against that since some of the biggest sell-outs are out there in the field with you.

And, some rich brothers have helped: "In 1987, Drs. William and Camille Cosby gave Spelman College a $20 million gift to construct a 69,000 square foot facility that would provide an intellectual nucleus for faculty in the humanities and women's studies. . . . . also established the William and Camille Cosby Endowed Professorship Program. Endowed at $4 million, this program supports professorships in the fine arts, humanities and the social sciences. It is a multidisciplinary initiative designed to enhance the intellectual, cultural and creative life of Spelman College and its surrounding community."

like the black overseer, holding that whip, but he lived in a slave shack too.



"middle class/house negro" !!! . . . Do you think every poor black man is a true brother ?



I think the question here is what is "Uncle Tomism" and what is just a selfish calculation ? However, the two can often overlap.



You are saying to obtain good moral and character traits is to be a success in life ??? Wealth is not a sign of success as a human being. If so, I have no argument.

I have a big problem with judging middle income status as indicative of "house negro" status, if that is what you're saying.

The middle class has a certain interest. This is an objective material fact which can be determined by how they make their money which I gave examples of before such as a Funeral home owner who makes their money off of African people dying. There is no way around this. The African middle class makes their living off of the exploitation of thier own people. It doesn't matta which will be the same thing Obama wll do if he is the US president becuase as the US president it will be his job to carry out a policy hostile to African people. It doesn't matter whether if he is an African himself just lke it doesn't matter that the funeral home owner may be an African it is still their interest to other Africans die.

But the working class interests (not individuals from the class)
are to destroy this system/burn the plantation because they can not get anything out of this system. Their is no hope there is no life in this system.

What makes you think that those donations where anything significant? They didn't help African people by the sounds of them probably Africans can't even use most of those resources. Even if Africans where able to use them those institutions weren't to get us free and in the end thats all that matters.

And it is more than just morals that make a person successful but what they do in the material world for their people. Those people I named shed blood for you. Their is no way around that. The money somebody makes while the rest of their people are suffering means little to person givning their life so others don't suffer anymore.

[darkwing69]

For me with Obama its not a black white issue persay, its about his stance on the issues. He is screaming for the highest mountains for change but to date has yet to define what that change is. Change is going to happen irregardless of who we put in office. The point is how can this so called change effect us. His other blaring quality is he really has almost alienated blacks and those who have been supporting him. The only time he wants to be black is when he is in South Carolina or somewhere predominately black any other time he is playing the other side of the fence. This bothers me more than anything. Be yourself and dont act one way to please one group and another to please others. Because if it is all a act then who the hell is the true Obama

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by sephari

well what has he done for our community at all?

His biggest acheivement was being a community organizer in Chicago. LOL! Like we don't have far more capable and REAL black people in Amerikkka.

A community organizer, turned President! Ridiculous!

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by PeaceSis

Give the man a chance and you will find out. Don't forget, Obama had a choice of top law firms in his career. However, he chose a civil rights firm, where he represented community organizers, discrimination victims and black voters. Win or lose, the work of his candidacy will go down in history as one of the most well put together political machines in the history of the US. This is a smart man. You do not get this close to the presidency in white America without being extremely wise. I think he deserves a fair shot at becoming President Barack Obama. My gosh, who knew this could happen now?

Give him a chance? I could never get a job with that attitude. You don't 'give someone a chance' to lead 400 million people when they have no aptitude for doing so. Remember George Bush?! Bush is what happens when you 'give him a chance'.

What the hell does having a political machine have to do with serving the people of this country. And about your assertion of being smart; there are alot of stupid presidents; Bush jr, Bush sr, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, etc....

Stop being a cheerleader and do some real research, and you will see for yourself why he is a modern day UncleTom.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by darkwing69

For me with Obama its not a black white issue persay, its about his stance on the issues. He is screaming for the highest mountains for change but to date has yet to define what that change is. Change is going to happen irregardless of who we put in office. The point is how can this so called change effect us. His other blaring quality is he really has almost alienated blacks and those who have been supporting him. The only time he wants to be black is when he is in South Carolina or somewhere predominately black any other time he is playing the other side of the fence. This bothers me more than anything. Be yourself and dont act one way to please one group and another to please others. Because if it is all a act then who the hell is the true Obama

Excellent points. And in this post, you make solid points of what defines leadership.

[sephari]

Originally Posted by DBlack

His biggest acheivement was being a community organizer in Chicago. LOL! Like we don't have far more capable and REAL black people in Amerikkka.

A community organizer, turned President! Ridiculous!

oh i knew that, it's just that the original question was: "what has he done (for us. since entering congress.)" my initial response is: NOTHING!!!

[PeaceSis]

Sure, it's quite understandable that there are many who are opposed to Barack's candidacy at this time, but nevertheless, at the end of the day, it looks like there's a very HUGE chance that our next President of the United States of America will be Barack Obama and at that time he will have sufficient opportunity to prove himself a very capable President. There will ALWAYS be naysayers, critics, opponents, obstacles and he's faced many up to this point, yet look where he now finds himself. People will vote for Obama, McCain or no one. In light of the current state of the Union, who do you honestly think will take the oath this winter? I can say this. As a US citizen, I will surely exercise my right to vote and I am neither a Republican or Democrat. Though I can appreciate a man loyal to fight for his country, Senator McCain will not have my support for the presidency.

[RBG3]

haha

Easy

He doesn't care about black people.

Ask yourself:

- What has obama said he would do for blacks specifically?
- How did he say he would do these things?
- When did he say he would do these things?
- Who is benefiting from his "changes"?
- How many people in his team are black?
- Who are the majority of his supporters?
- What is his agenda -> from a citizen standpoint?

The answers there will shock you, and have you calling him house more than me.