Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[dtownbro]

Allies and detractors...

Friends and rivals...

One and all:

Methinks we have here a case study of a person who may not be who they need and want us to believe they are and we also need and I want us to find out the truth!

I. e., it is the tactic of infiltrators, etc., to make false accusations, which bred so much mistrust ad naseum, a few of the past boards I used to post on no longer even exist!

The flip side being that the rest of you are the rational and reasonable posters I've grown to know your judgement calls etc. I can depend on:

You reread what I said to that other poster , and then you decide whether that person's comebacks were or are justified or not!

Otherwise let us get back to whatever it was or is we're trying to accomplish for the sake of our people...

And another one from a friend of the family...

FYI...

Take care...

Later....

Peace....

[afrocentric]

yes, please! i'm agreeing with dtownbro,...lets get on with the thread. all this back and forth.....ugh! i just can't take it....(gulping down 2 advils)..anymore.

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

yes, please! i'm agreeing with dtownbro,...lets get on with the thread. all this back and forth.....ugh! i just can't take it....(gulping down 2 advils)..anymore.

Chuck:

First of all?

Thanks for the props!

Second of all?

Some folk just have to make a clear distintion between blind faith in messiahs as opposd to the wake up calls we too oftentimes get from oh so flawed human beings...

Obama isn't another Clarence Thomas...

So there's always hope...

And lets just don't give up on each other either!

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by osiris

I have to disagree. He didn't criticize Black fathers. He criticized absense Black fathers. No one can deny the absence of the Black father has done a lot of damage to the Black community as a whole. Every woman I ever met who didn't have a relation with their father tend to have issues with men.

He chose to speak on absense Black fathers because (1). his absense father was a Black man and (2) he was speaking to an Black audience. No, we do not own a monopoly on missing fathers, but it is having a damning effect on our youth.

CTJ:

Good evening, poster...

And, yes indeed I too oftentimes also come across the same sort of behavior, but what is also needed/wanted are candid/honest/objective overviews of what has brought this about, as well as for us to not just dismiss the equally inexcusable antics etc. of the females who go for it...

The flip side:

What was or is either a Cosby or an Obama able or willing to propose in the way of new approaches rather than just going along with the same old b. s.,
i. e. demonize the fellas for mistakes they made when they were younger,
as though being older and wiser (as well as if they were truly being given alternatives to making a living etc.) they would 'do the right thing' anyway, since how their biological siblings do reflect what they (the fellas) are (or aren't) about anyhow?

Never mind how a white capitalist controlled mass (madness) machine hypes gangsta rap ad naseum as what the 'typical' one of us is about?

(Not)!

And any adult male (regardless of their siuation) has their pride too...

Feel me?

Let's move on anyway!

By the way:

As far as those promos do reveal is Obama was raised by a single parent white mom who needed her parents (his grandparents) support just to have a roof over their heads, etc.

Also he needed student loans to make it thru college?

So what's up with this criticism that 'rich colored guy' had and have nothing in common with us 'poor' ones in the first place?!?

Otherwise, both he and the Cos tend to make it all personal/be subjective about it all, either though both jsbr kinda sorta just forgot the sacrifices either had to make, in order to pursue their dreams (and schemes)...

So, bad enough, either are now running doubletalk, worse how they undermine whatever good they could do by being into denial about their own rather humble backgrounds, etc.

The obvious key word in both cases:

Humility...

And so it goes...

FYI...

CTJ

[afrocentric]

So, bad enough, either are now running doubletalk, worse how they undermine whatever good they could do by being into denial about their own rather humble backgrounds, etc.

i wonder if obama've been raised by his real father...would he have a different attitude bout the black fathers now?

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

i wonder if obama've been raised by his real father...would he have a different attitude bout the black fathers now?

Yep...

FYI...

CTJ

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

i wonder if obama've been raised by his real father...would he have a different attitude bout the black fathers now?

I think you have hit it on the head. Fankly, I think Obama is sincere in his concerns about how African men have neglected their responsibilities to thei families. This is patticularly pronounced, I think, when the mother is of Eurpean extraction. There is simply too much negativity about brothers who keep their obigations to white mothers of African children. We need to face this and correct it.

But, let me go on record as thinking that all this negative talk about African fathers, on Father's Day, no less, is s holdover from Slick Willy that needs to be stopped. It takes two to tangle. Since a mjority of our men are locked up or otherwise made unavailable to the community, the sisters have had a dispropotionate impact the psychology and culture of our children. So, the pathologies that aflict our community must be traced back to the femiane touch as much as it is blamed on men. Of course the men's impact is mostly one of neglect or abandonment. The women's impact has produced some really bad results.

Sisters, do not get bent out of shape over what I just said. But, I have been listening to this negativity throughout my entire life considering that my moteher said a lot of awful things about my father, who was not there. And, for all of the negative talk, nothing positive has ever come of it. I simply think the time has come when women need to take some responsibility.

[afrocentric]

Originally Posted by abdurratln

I think you have hit it on the head. Fankly, I think Obama is sincere in his concerns about how African men have neglected their responsibilities to thei families. This is patticularly pronounced, I think, when the mother is of Eurpean extraction. There is simply too much negativity about brothers who keep their obigations to white mothers of African children. We need to face this and correct it.

this will never change. this new era has taken over.

But, let me go on record as thinking that all this negative talk about African fathers, on Father's Day, no less, is s holdover from Slick Willy that needs to be stopped. It takes two to tangle. Since a mjority of our men are locked up or otherwise made unavailable to the community, the sisters have had a dispropotionate impact the psychology and culture of our children. can't speak for all sistas. some did well. it just takes support and patience from other strong minded people.

So, the pathologies that aflict our community must be traced back to the femiane touch as much as it is blamed on men. Of course the men's impact is mostly one of neglect or abandonment. The women's impact has produced some really bad results.that depends on what type of men is in the picture. if the women minds are weak they will fall for anything.
Sisters, do not get bent out of shape over what I just said. But, I have been listening to this negativity throughout my entire life considering that my moteher said a lot of awful things about my father, who was not there. And, for all of the negative talk, nothing positive has ever come of it. I simply think the time has come when women need to take some responsibility. i agree with you on some point but don't forget what you said, it takes two to tango.

[abdurratln]

[quote]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

this will never change. this new era has taken over. this will never change. this new era has taken over.

Well, the mere fact that we are discussing this without all of the non-sense interfrring shows that there is hope. The fundamentals are not matters of time or "era". Even in this Mdern Era, no person can realistically reproduce children without some input from a memeberr of the opposiote gender. This is the way that we were created. So, the instsitution of the two-parent nucleus family is consistent with that model. Even some animals of the lower form respects this Law of Nature. Thus, we have pairs of birds who stay together to raise the off-spring. Similar things happen among such as lions, tigers, elephants and most species of monkeys and gorrillas. I say this to emphasize that it is not natural to have so-called single-parent households. What has happened to us, in my view, is we have allowed ourselves to become corrupted by this sick, western culture. For instance, take a family in which the father or mother has died, leaving one-parent or even orphans. In Islamic cultures, it would be proper for the single mother to become a wife in a new family. A single father could also expect to find a partner. In the case of orphans in which there is no parent, Islam provides for the protection of orphans. The times that this does not apply is when Muslims try to conform to non-Islmaic cultures.

I say this to point to hope for the future. As long as we limit ourselves to only that which the Westerners approve and sanctions, we will also suffer a great deal more than any Wetserner would ever suffer when followung their own cultural norms. We must reclaim our African heritage. In many cases, this involves reclaiming Islam, among other things.

that depends on what type of men is in the picture. if the women minds are weak they will fall for anything.

True. I guess we could attribute the high rate of African mothers who are in lesbian relationships to "weak minds". I strongly suspect that lesbianism is detrimental to our community. The same can be said about male homosexuality. But somehow, it seems to me, that there are far more lesbians than there are male homosexuals nowadays.

agree with you on some point but don't forget what you said, it takes two to tango.

Right. It takes two to tango, just as it takes two to tangle. What I want to say is that both parents have responsibilities. We have wasted decades, nearly a century talking about women's rights. I agree that women have certain GOD-given rights that noone can take away. But, rights are dialectically linked to responsibilities. Such is the nature of things. We cannot have rights without responasibility. Respeonsibility guarantee rights. If we do not accept our responsibilities, eventually our rights will disappear.

[DBlack]

abdurratln,

Wow, your hypocrisy is amazing!!! In your last post you overtly denounce and criticize Western culture and Lesbianism. You also defend Islam. I agree with all three of your sentiments here, but you openly support Obama, a man that is anti-Islam, pro gay rights, and very much part an indoctrinated overseer that seeks to preserve western culture.

What does that say about you...the fact that you support a man that you can't even intelligently argue in support of. And now, based on your own words, we know the reasons. Too bad you choose to be like so many self-imposed ignorant black folk. And then you have the audacity to use the word hope.

We need real men, not clowns, uncletoms and politicians.

You need to sit down for you have just clowned yourself.