Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[Disenfranchised]

My whole point of was that Obama is better than McCain, at least in my view. Yes hes just another politican, but hes a the only choice for working people. It doesn't matter how much you break down Obama unless you can name a better canidate....which you can't.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

My whole point of was that Obama is better than McCain, at least in my view. Yes hes just another politican, but hes a the only choice for working people. It doesn't matter how much you break down Obama unless you can name a better canidate....which you can't.

You are repeating yourself. I'll ask you again: What specifically makes Obama better than McCain? You simply can't answer the question. And please do explain, how is Obama the choice for working class people? Feel free to site examples in his past as well, lol! Just look at his records, lol!

It doesn't matter to you that I can break down the facts, because you obviously don't care about the facts. You care more about false hope, and change, that you cant' even define.

I'm not saying tha McCain is better. But, unlike you, I can be honest about how terrible both of them are. At least McCain isn't trying to be someone or something that he isn't.

[Disenfranchised]

My head is spinning. Your an expert at changing the argument. I already told you why Obama was the best choice for working people, and all you did was point out the negatives of the AFL-CIO. Thats fine but it doesn't explain why I'm not better off with Obama.
I don't buy into hope and change thing, but like I said before Obama is the better choice for working people, even if by default. I'm still waiting for your explaination to why he isn't the best choice between the two canidates.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

My head is spinning. Your an expert at changing the argument. I already told you why Obama was the best choice for working people, and all you did was point out the negatives of the AFL-CIO. Thats fine but it doesn't explain why I'm not better off with Obama.
I don't buy into hope and change thing, but like I said before Obama is the better choice for working people, even if by default. I'm still waiting for your explaination to why he isn't the best choice between the two canidates.

The AFL-CIO doesn't represent working class labor. They are a membership organization that represents it's members nothing more. If I was a union member (which I, and most Americans are NOT), then just maybe I could see you point. But the AFL-CIO has a long tradition of doing more harm against labor for minorities than good.

I've made the points over and over and over why Obama is a sham of a candidate, but I'll spoon feed you as well:

• Support for open trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.
• Avoidance in addressing or discussing racism and racial injustices in this country
• Support for the Iraq and Afghan occupations via continued funding
• Support for open borders which undermine job available to minorities.
• Support for elitist labor unions that don't create jobs
• Lack of experience in government budgeting on ANY level.
• Lack of small business experience on ANY level.
• Avoidance of military service of any kind
• Avoidance any allegience to established PRO-Black civil rights organizations, EVER!
• Avoidance of dealing with inner city problems that plague blacks and other minoriries.
• Lack of eductional reform program or experience....

Need more?......

• Changing of position on Iraq war pullout promises.
• Reversal of promise to accept publically financed campaign dollars, because he beleive it corrupts the process.
• Failure to have ANY international diplomacy knowledge or experience.
• Hasen't been to Iraq or Afganistan in years.
• Continued selling out of friends, associates and black leaders.
• Less than 40% attendance in the Senate this year.
• More than a hundred "no votes" in his senatorial voting record.
• Weak ideas and comittment on energy crisis, gas prices.

NO evidence of a single job ever created from any of his programs at the State and Federal level.

Feel free to do some of your own research for a change and look all this up for yourself.

[Disenfranchised]

• Support for open trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.
  So does McCain, So did Clinton. Your boy Bill, "who created more jobs for blacks than any other president" signed it.
  
• Avoidance in addressing or discussing racism and racial injustices in this country
  Hes trying to be elected president. I know your smart enough to know why he doesn't discuss these things.
  
• Support for the Iraq and Afghan occupations via continued funding.
  You know, hes supporting the troops. By denying funding he would be anti soldier/anti American.
  
• Support for elitist labor unions that don't create jobs......but provide livable wages.
  
• Lack of experience in government budgeting on ANY level.
  I doubt he'll be the one handling the budget. I'm sure he'll put experienced people in those positions unlike the previous administration.
  
• Lack of small business experience on ANY level.
  Good, the last president had experience at running businesses, and you see where that got us.
• Avoidance of military service of any kind.
  Who cares.
  
• Avoidance any allegience to established PRO-Black civil rights organizations, EVER!
  Good for him, now he has a realalistic chance of being elected president.
  
• Avoidance of dealing with inner city problems that plague blacks and other minoriries.
  but he was a community organizer??????????
  
• Changing of position on Iraq war pullout promises.
  he said he would consult with the generals on the ground then make decide where to go from there.
  
• Continued selling out of friends, associates and black leaders.
  Part of the game.
  
• Less than 40% attendance in the Senate this year.
  Hes running for president.
  
• More than a hundred "no votes" in his senatorial voting record.
  ???? How does that compare to other senators?????

[Disenfranchised]

Hes still better than McCain.

• Support for open trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.
  So does McCain
• Avoidance in addressing or discussing racism and racial injustices in this country
  So does McCain
• Support for the Iraq and Afghan occupations via continued funding
  So does McCain
• Support for open borders which undermine job available to minorities.
  McCain says he wants tighter border security, whatever that means. I'm sure like everything else his position changes depending on what state hes in.
• Support for elitist labor unions that don't create jobs.
  Mcain doesnt support labor unions.
  
• Lack of small business experience on ANY level.
  McCain Wifes has experience
• Avoidance any allegience to established PRO-Black civil rights organizations, EVER!
  So does McCain. Voted against MLK holiday.
• Avoidance of dealing with inner city problems that plague blacks and other minoriries.
  So does McCain

[DBlack]

In response to Disenfranchised

• Support for open trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.
  So does McCain, So did Clinton. Your boy Bill, "who created more jobs for blacks than any other president" signed it.

Yes, and Clinton was wrong for doing so. And since NAFTA has given us a history from which to learn, Obama's continued support shows that he is a leader not capable of learning from the mistakes of others. Thanks for helping me make my point.

• Avoidance in addressing or discussing racism and racial injustices in this country
  Hes trying to be elected president. I know your smart enough to know why he doesn't discuss these things.

Why? Because he's an UncleTom? Are you suggesting that it's ok for our leaders to deliberately avoid talking about the REAL issues in AMerikkka? Can't believe you just admitted to perhaps his biggest character flaw. I'd support a Klansmen before an UncleTom, anyday. At least then, I know what I'm dealing with.

• Support for the Iraq and Afghan occupations via continued funding.
  You know, hes supporting the troops. By denying funding he would be anti soldier/anti American.

You really don't know what you are talking about. Congress has always been given the power of the purse as the supreme check and balance for Wars. It ensures that our presidents cannot operate with impunity. If Obama, the leader of the democratic party REALLY believes the war was wrong, he would at not choose to support it. By your logic, anyone that opposes war and refuses to support it is un-American. That's ridiculous. Stop listening to Fox News.

• Support for elitist labor unions that don't create jobs......but provide livable wages.

What is a livable wage? And I don't know where you get your economics education from, but job growth has a greater impact on the economy than increase in wages. The more people have jobs, the greater the consumer confidence, and the greater amount of goods and services sold at all levels. Making more money is good as well, but consumer behavior changes and inflation tends to increase.

• Lack of experience in government budgeting on ANY level.
  I doubt he'll be the one handling the budget. I'm sure he'll put experienced people in those positions unlike the previous administration.

One of your most ignorant comments ever made. If the president doesn't understand financing, how could he possibly be able to put together plans that require the budgeting of billions in federal dollars? If a president is clueless, how will he be able to hire good people? Have you not learned anything from George Bush?

• Lack of small business experience on ANY level.
  Good, the last president had experience at running businesses, and you see where that got us.

Ok, this comments is almost as bad as the earlier comments.

• Avoidance of military service of any kind.
  Who cares.

I care. Presidents that lack the character to serve have a profound disconnect with the price of war on the country. Again, read your history books. I'm not a McCain supporter, but it takes man of courage to make the choices that he did. No one should discount what he gave up.

• Avoidance any allegience to established PRO-Black civil rights organizations, EVER!
  Good for him, now he has a realalistic chance of being elected president.

It's these pro-black organizations that have gotten us where we are today. Let me know what that CHANGE will be.....Do you even know?

• Avoidance of dealing with inner city problems that plague blacks and other minoriries.
  but he was a community organizer??????????

I'm talking about TODAY, not his petty local community organizer gig he did for a very short amount of time, that acheived very very little. Let's raise the bar on qualifications a little bit higher, shall we?!?

• Changing of position on Iraq war pullout promises.
  he said he would consult with the generals on the ground then make decide where to go from there.

Obama promised immediate troup withdrawal earlier. Now he's two-stepping and promissing 16-moth "draw downs". Obama and others have also failed to publicly discuss or oppose Bush's negotiatons with Iraq right now to establish PERMANENT U.S. military bases in Iraq. But since Obama hasn't really been over in Iraq for YEARS, perhaps it should be no surprise that he's aloof to what is happening.

• Continued selling out of friends, associates and black leaders.
  Part of the game.

AGain, you just admitted that he's an UncleTom.

• Less than 40% attendance in the Senate this year.
  Hes running for president.

He has the worse voting record of any senator running for president EVER.

• More than a hundred "no votes" in his senatorial voting record.
  ???? How does that compare to other senators?????

He is the worse. Google his state and senatorial records

In summation, it's clear that you are just another Obama hack. You don't even know the candidate you support. We dont' support UncleToms here and we never will. Either come with some facts, or take that bullshyd to BET boards.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

I'd support a Klansmen before an UncleTom. At least then, I know what I'm dealing with.[/b]

Alot of Klan Organizations are Satanic affliated. Be careful for what you wish for.

[dtownbro]

As far as either candidate or anybody else daring to blame powerless black men for being the reason for the decline in standards of moral behavior etc., whereas it's a case study of the decline in ethical standards of affluent and rich white males?

Shame on them!

The flip side if we also choose to deny the obvious, as in can't quit our own arguing and bickering about whether a Cosby or a Obama are going to be the ones to save us, instead of saving ourselves?

Shame on us too!

FYI...

CTJ

[MadameX]

As far as either candidate or anybody else daring to blame powerless black men for being the reason for the decline in standards of moral behavior etc.,

What kind of baseless assertion is this towards Our Brothas ? Come Correct.