Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

The AFL-CIO also noted:

* Obama opposes the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) and the U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement. He supports fair trade that protects jobs and workers.

* Obama has supported workers’ rights and pledges to sign the Employee Free Choice Act.

* Obama wants to provide health care for all that cuts costs and improves quality.

* Obama has voted to protect fair pay, overtime protections, prevailing wages and family and medical leave.

* Obama opposes privatizing Social Security.

“It also means we have a say in who is appointed to the National Mediation Board and the National Labor Relations Board, and who chairs the Surface Transportation Board, which rules on rail mergers and labor protection," Martin said. "And it means we have a friend of labor appointing federal judges to courts where many of our disputes with carriers are decided."

Martin said that "a vote for Obama in November is a vote for better paychecks, better benefits, better working conditions and better family security."

I don’t support the AFL-CIO. The Employee Free Choice Act is a fraud; consider this perspective.

They have a long history of policies that do not support black employment initiatives. I form my opinion of UncleTom Obama based on what I’ve read and observed, and not because of what another person says. And I especially don’t support money-heavy lobbying organizations like the AFL-CIO. They are a key part of the problem in domestic job loss.

Yes, Obama SAYS he opposes CAFTA and NAFTA, but he stops short of promising to stop or repeal these agreements if he is President. That’s because he won’t do anything about them.
The Employee Free Choice Act is a crock of bullshyd. The EFCA would protect employees from retaliation by employers if an employee chose to join a union. It’s not really free choice, because powerful unions have corrupting and coercive influence on employees of a given organization. Any company should have the right to forbid employees from joining unions if they choose, as long as it’s stipulated in the employee agreement. No company should be forced to have to hire union employees. Unionized labor has some great points but it also hurt many companies, causes job losses, higher costs of goods and services, and can even bankrupt some companies.
Roleplay for a minute: If you owned a business, would you want to have to be forced to have to deal with labor unions? Labor Unions do more than negotiate. They can literally force a business to shutdown, if that business doesn’t meet their demands. In a free market, employees and employers should have the freedom to come and go and chose their relationships, provided it doesn’t violate discrimination laws.
Obama’s health care plan is NOT universal. This is a common misconception. He wants to give everyone an option. This is a loophole that would result in the undermining of a true universal system. Hillary supported coverage to all. Do your homework…
Yes, Obama has voted for fair pay, overtime protections and wage protections. But he’s done so in accordance to the AFL-CIO, and not as a general rule to benefit all employees, regardless of union membership.
All these points you bring up are flawed, and are of specific agendas to one organization, the AFL-CIO. THE AFL-CIO is a corrupt union that has long forgotten how to strike a healthy balance between employee opportunity, protections and health growth for businesses.
Unions rarely create jobs, they simply fight to preserve existing jobs.
The fact that Obama supports the AFL-CIO doesn’t qualify him to be President. In fact, it shows just how corruptible he really is.

And just like a typical Union man, you vote right with the AFL-CIO, without investigating on your own merits and terms. I appears that Obama may support legislation that would benifit the AFL-CIO. But the AFL-CIO represents you, not the entire employee base of the country. If he's truly a man of change, he should be making decisions without concern or affiliation to companies or labor unions.

[Disenfranchised]

Originally Posted by DBlack

And just like a typical Union man, you vote right with the AFL-CIO, without investigating on your own merits and terms. I appears that Obama may support legislation that would benifit the AFL-CIO. But the AFL-CIO represents you, not the entire employee base of the country. If he's truly a man of change, he should be making decisions without concern or affiliation to companies or labor unions.

I didn't see McCain's name anywhere in your response. Its easy to cherry pick the negatives about Obama, but your going to have a hard time explaining why a union man or any other working person would be for McCain over Obama. Even if Obama is the lesser of the two evils hes still alot better choice than McCain. I also noticed you managed to list the negatives about Obama's health care plan but didn't list the positives about McCain's......that’s cause there isn’t any. And Of course Obama isn't going to do anything about NAFTA and CAFTA, but at least he has the decency to act like he cares, unlike McCain who knows no one would think he cares about the working class anyway.

Yes I know the negatives and positives of unions. I see first hand why they are bad, but I also work in an industry where they are a necessity. I also understand that blue-collar wages are what they are because of organized labor. Its too bad labor isn't what it was, cause now we are seeing the effects of stagnant wages and maxed out credit.

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I didn't see McCain's name anywhere in your response. Its easy to cherry pick the negatives about Obama, but your going to have a hard time explaining why a union man or any other working person would be for McCain over Obama. Even if Obama is the lesser of the two evils hes still alot better choice than McCain. I also noticed you managed to list the negatives about Obama's health care plan but didn't list the positives about McCain's......that’s cause there isn’t any. And Of course Obama isn't going to do anything about NAFTA and CAFTA, but at least he has the decency to act like he cares, unlike McCain who knows no one would think he cares about the working class anyway.

Yes I know the negatives and positives of unions. I see first hand why they are bad, but I also work in an industry where they are a necessity. I also understand that blue-collar wages are what they are because of organized labor. Its too bad labor isn't what it was, cause now we are seeing the effects of stagnant wages and maxed out credit.

Amin, Brother. This is not rocket science. Yours is about the most intelligent statement that I have seen in this forum.

Obama has promised to tie minimum wages to inflation. This is the most important anti-poverty intiative since FDR. Also, he has promised to offer tax incentives to create jobs in this country as opposed to out-sourcing jobs as was done under Clinton's NAFTA. This is not rocket science.

[BlackXpat]

How come we as blacks reject truth,especially when the messenger is black?What is he doing or saying to make someone want to "cut his nutz off?Did Obama's speech strike a nerve with Jesse and all the other Derilict black fathers across America?"Wake up black people,the hipocracy needs to stop here and now!You talk about Jena 6,what part of America do you live in,cause in every major city and suburbs there is black blood spilling by the hands of blacks and we dont march until WHITES are at the hand of the brutality and killing!I guess it dont matter then cause the killer is the lesser of two evils right.As long as Ray Ray was not killed by a peckerwood,thats just "Life in da Hood".Ridiculous!And as far as Obama,this is the reason why i hate politics,all politicians have hidden agendas.After the election,no matter who is in office, views and opinions are going to change. Im only voting for him cause i want to see a black President,like most of us who will vote for him.I cant stand hearing this "We Need Change" BS.

[poeticasylum1]

*went through and read every post of this subject. comes to one conclusion*

yall made my head hurt.

[afrocentric]

to poet,....i'm with you on that.

[dtownbro]

Good evening, posters...

And, on the 'keeping it real' side, let's place this within a historical context...

As in:

How our ancestors got played (as in cheap and close) and (us) their descendants ain't even going for that (the second time around)?

Then:

Most (if not all) got reduced down to being somebody elses property (sans any individual rights) and/or treated as though they were 3/5's of a free man (hence their very existence also empowered the slave holders)...

Nowadays:

Us (some of their descendants) at least have a full vote!

Also our call and our choice and our right!!

So do forgive me if on the personal and subjective side I intend to cast mine for the colored guy (Obama):

It's on the self respect side...

Anything and everything else that has been alleged or claimed about the fella is much to do about nothing...

FYI...

Later...

CTJ

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

If he's truly a man of change, he should be making decisions without concern or affiliation to companies or labor unions.

Hmmmm. That's a interesting perspective Brotha D. Unfortunately given the reality of things , the current state of the nation( great deal of workers benfits and retirement funds associated with Union/job affliations) in the US ,the skin he's in, he has to demonstrate that he can find a balance and work w/in the system and find a balance as a future President.

[Mr. Reparations]

There is Value in a Black President, but only if we draw that value ourselves. I don't think we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. Rather, we should milk this cash cow for all it's worth...brining home the cheese to our community!

We don't need him to suck up to us...there's nothing he can do for us! We have had to take everything we've gotten and this instance is no different. His "people" are using him. We must use him too and force the issue. Now is the time to organize and grab what we lack as a community. Now is the time to attack racial disparities! We don't need to be mad that he isn't opening his mouth on our issues. We need to use him as a smoke screen and follow the lead of Ali: rope all the dopes...

Come and Get Your Reparations!

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I didn't see McCain's name anywhere in your response. Its easy to cherry pick the negatives about Obama, but your going to have a hard time explaining why a union man or any other working person would be for McCain over Obama. Even if Obama is the lesser of the two evils hes still alot better choice than McCain. I also noticed you managed to list the negatives about Obama's health care plan but didn't list the positives about McCain's......that’s cause there isn’t any. And Of course Obama isn't going to do anything about NAFTA and CAFTA, but at least he has the decency to act like he cares, unlike McCain who knows no one would think he cares about the working class anyway.

Yes I know the negatives and positives of unions. I see first hand why they are bad, but I also work in an industry where they are a necessity. I also understand that blue-collar wages are what they are because of organized labor. Its too bad labor isn't what it was, cause now we are seeing the effects of stagnant wages and maxed out credit.

The Thread is about Obama, not McCain. I'm not supporting McCain, so I feel no need to do it here. See, I already know that most of us will oppose most white candidates. No need to arguing that. But To be hugely hypocritical is the bigger issue here. So, let's keep the focus on Obama in this thread. If you have any valid points to make, then make them. Just because you continute to say "Obama is better", don't make it so. Support your view with point that others can learn from.

I find it very interesting now, that Obma has one the Democratic primary, his position on just about everything is changing.

The reason I'm breaking down Obama's track record is because I'm trying to open the eyes of people like you. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; assuming that if you read intelligent fact-base informaiton, you would wake up. Obviously I am wrong.