Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I agree. How can you hold Obama to such a high standard, without pointing out all the negatives coming from McCain. No matter what you think of Obama hes 10 times better than McCain who changes his position on a weekly basis so that hes in line with Bush.

I see folks still don't get it. No matter who gets the presidency it is still the same game the same thang, New World Order, Imperialism, Globalism....and white supremecy.

What are WE gonna do to counter act what we are always complaining about as Black people? Everyone of us should have a plan as individuals and form groups that will support the same agenda.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I agree. How can you hold Obama to such a high standard, without pointing out all the negatives coming from McCain. No matter what you think of Obama hes 10 times better than McCain who changes his position on a weekly basis so that hes in line with Bush.

I don't hold Obama to a high standard. Once I learned about who he is as a person, I realized that would be unfair.

How is Obama 10 times better than McCain? I can't wait to see your answers. When you actually give this some thought, don't be surprised if you realize they are not that different in terms of incompetence.

[Disenfranchised]

Originally Posted by DBlack

How is Obama 10 times better than McCain? I can't wait to see your answers. When you actually give this some thought, don't be surprised if you realize they are not that different in terms of incompetence.

I'll keep it simple: War, Economy.

Can you explain why we are better off with McCain as opposed to Obama?

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I'll keep it simple: War, Economy.

Can you explain why we are better off with McCain as opposed to Obama?

I asked you to explain, not take the lazy way out. Let me help....

The WAR:

McCain: Obviously supports the war. Always has, always will. McCain has criticized Bush for mismanagement of the war, suggesting leadership must improve. McCains has always voted to fund the war each time it came up. McCain actually served in the military and was a POW.

Obama: Pay attention! Obama NEVER voted AGAINST the war! When he was not in the Senate, he verbally expressed his opposition to the war. However, once he became a senator, he voted right alongside republicans for the war EACH and EVERY time the funding bill came up. Obama has also softened his stance to remove troops from Iraq immediately. Now he's say it may be 16 months of a draw down, slowly. Obama avoided military service of any kind.

Next....

The Economy

McCain: Actually admitted not being an expert of the Economy. Stupid honest, but honesty nonetheless. McCain is against tax cuts to the wealthy. McCain supports tougher border enforcement, but immigration amnesty which will hurt jobs for minorities. McCain support tax incentives for alternative fuels. McCain has fought for some form of Campain Finance Reform. McCain has outlined plan to balance the budget.

Obama: Supports illegal alien amnesty and open borders. This will hurt job availability to minorities. Like McCain, Obama is pro free trade. Free trade agreements like NAFTA have hurt jobs in this country. Obama has no plan for alternative fuel development incentives. Obama wants to give tax breaks to businesses that stay in America. Obama has not yet come forward with a plan to balance the budget. Obama has revearsed his support for campaign finance reform because it financially suits him.

Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. And don't go to McCain or Obama's site for the real answers.

[Disenfranchised]

Originally Posted by DBlack

The WAR:

McCain: Obviously supports the war. Always has, always will. McCain has criticized Bush for mismanagement of the war, suggesting leadership must improve. McCains has always voted to fund the war each time it came up. McCain actually served in the military and was a POW.

When has McCain critized Bush, not recently? How does McCain being a POW make him qualified to be president. Thats a question even McCain doesnt want to answer. McCain also finished in the bottum 1% of his class at the naval academy, and the only reason he was a carrier pilot was because of his daddy.

Obama: Pay attention! Obama NEVER voted AGAINST the war! When he was not in the Senate, he verbally expressed his opposition to the war. However, once he became a senator, he voted right alongside republicans for the war EACH and EVERY time the funding bill came up. Obama has also softened his stance to remove troops from Iraq immediately. Now he's say it may be 16 months of a draw down, slowly. Obama avoided military service of any kind.

Lucky for Obama he wasn't in the senate, unlucky for Hillary. Either way I doubt he would have voted for the war.....we will never know.
As far as funding...OF COURSE HE VOTED TO FUND THE WAR!!!!!! If he didnt they would say he doesnt support the troops. He avioded Military service??? I think you mean, he was never served in the military. Big deal, neither have alot of people. But again what does that have to do with him being qualified or not to be president.

Next....

The Economy
Like McCain, Obama is pro free trade. Free trade agreements like NAFTA have hurt jobs in this country.

I know these agreements hurt this country. I live in a state that is one of the most effected by them, but in another thread you argued that Clinton created jobs, but he was the one who signed Nafta.

As far as energy policies, all McCain can come up with as the gas tax holiday, and off shore drilling. Its a joke. The price of gas is being manipulated by speculators and the only thing McCain can come up with is a plan that allows for Big Oil companies to drill off our shores and make more money. That alone is reaon enough to vote for Obama.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

When has McCain critized Bush, not recently? How does McCain being a POW make him qualified to be president. Thats a question even McCain doesnt want to answer. McCain also finished in the bottum 1% of his class at the naval academy, and the only reason he was a carrier pilot was because of his daddy.


Lucky for Obama he wasn't in the senate, unlucky for Hillary. Either way I doubt he would have voted for the war.....we will never know.
As far as funding...OF COURSE HE VOTED TO FUND THE WAR!!!!!! If he didnt they would say he doesnt support the troops. He avioded Military service??? I think you mean, he was never served in the military. Big deal, neither have alot of people. But again what does that have to do with him being qualified or not to be president.



I know these agreements hurt this country. I live in a state that is one of the most effected by them, but in another thread you argued that Clinton created jobs, but he was the one who signed Nafta.

As far as energy policies, all McCain can come up with as the gas tax holiday, and off shore drilling. Its a joke. The price of gas is being manipulated by speculators and the only thing McCain can come up with is a plan that allows for Big Oil companies to drill off our shores and make more money. That alone is reaon enough to vote for Obama.

Do you realize how foolish you sound? I’m not defending McCain; I’ve listed good and negative points about each candidate. Being a POW in itself doesn’t make you a presidential candidate. What being a POW does show is a level of human courage and strength that is undeniable. Many did not survive such horrendous conditions. Pointing out the character traits of individuals is fair and important when judging their overall character. One who has served and risked it all is better capable of understanding war and the cost of it than those who have not. Of course, my mom and dad were military vets, so my perception is different from yours.


When Obama voted to fund the war, he made the same horrendous decision that many other senators and congressman made. Wars are funded a year or so in advance. But the public was fed lies that the war was funded on a seemingly paycheck to paycheck basis. Ask anyone in the military on war funding and logistics and they will tell you this. Plus, the President has executive power to secure emergency funding from other government treasuries in the event that a war funding has run short. Another piece of information the press and our politicians don’t want you to know.

Obama avoided military service, period. You want to denounce McCain’s service even as a Prisoner of War, but wish to excuse the UncleTom Obama for his choice not to even serve. You can’t have it both ways. Where one chose to serve, the other one didn’t. We don’t know the reasons why, but we can observe it for the truth that it is.

We are not talking about Clinton. Let’s stay focuses on the comparison of Ole man McCain and UncleTom Obama. Point is, both Obama and McCain both support open trade and NAFTA, which are destroying jobs in this country. It really doesn’t matter now that Clinton signed the bill, because both of these men, if elected would have the powers to repeal it.

Yes, McCain is for offshore drilling and the gas tax holiday. You may not like them, but I’ll take both. McCain is also for huge tax incentives for those developing alternative fuels. He’s even expressed the idea of a reward for a green energy initiative. I didn’t see you comments about Obama’s plan for resolving the gas problem. We don't know what Obama want's to do. Perhaps Obama wants to "hope" the gas prices will come down. That’s because as of today, he has no understanding of what to do. Maybe he’ll have something put together before the fall…

In your reply, all you have done is attack McCain and Clinton. But not one time in your reply did you make a point in support of Obama. Not a single time. You regard Obama as the default choice, but even you don’t know why. Time you be honest with yourself and your reasons for thinking the way you do.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

I see folks still don't get it. No matter who gets the presidency it is still the same game the same thang, New World Order, Imperialism, Globalism....and white supremecy.

What are WE gonna do to counter act what we are always complaining about as Black people? Everyone of us should have a plan as individuals and form groups that will support the same agenda.

Excellent point!

[Disenfranchised]

I never denouced McCain's for serving, just asked why being a POW makes him more qualified to be president. I didn't attack Clinton just agreed with you that Nafta hurts this country, even though you said Clinton created more jobs for blacks that any other president.

Since I'm a union man Obama is not my default choice, but rather the only choice. A vote for McCain would be a vote for lower wages and less benifits. Thats why boths unions in my craft support Obama. How can you call Obama an Uncle Tom in one sentence and then talk up McCain in the next, thats crazy. It was McCain who voted against the MLK holiday.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Disenfranchised

I never denouced McCain's for serving, just asked why being a POW makes him more qualified to be president. I didn't attack Clinton just agreed with you that Nafta hurts this country, even though you said Clinton created more jobs for blacks that any other president.

Since I'm a union man Obama is not my default choice, but rather the only choice. A vote for McCain would be a vote for lower wages and less benifits. Thats why boths unions in my craft support Obama. How can you call Obama an Uncle Tom in one sentence and then talk up McCain in the next, thats crazy. It was McCain who voted against the MLK holiday.

Once again, you use the tactic of attacking other to support obama. But you never make a case why Obama is qualified to be President. You can't because you have no credible reasons to do so.

Again, as far as NAFTA is concerned, Obama AND McCain for for NAFTA and open trade agreements. So you bringing that up is pointless.

Yes, I know McCain was against the King Holiday. Most whites are. But let's remember that Obama is no more pro-black than most of these whites. I'm not for McCain at all. But I can look at a man's accomplishments and give credit where credit is due.

Make the case for Obama. Tell us why Obama is your only choice! FACTS PLEASE! You tell me why this UncleTom community organizer should be President?

[Disenfranchised]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Make the case for Obama. Tell us why Obama is your only choice! FACTS PLEASE! You tell me why this UncleTom community organizer should be President?

The AFL-CIO also noted:

* Obama opposes the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) and the U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement. He supports fair trade that protects jobs and workers.

* Obama has supported workers’ rights and pledges to sign the Employee Free Choice Act.

* Obama wants to provide health care for all that cuts costs and improves quality.

* Obama has voted to protect fair pay, overtime protections, prevailing wages and family and medical leave.

* Obama opposes privatizing Social Security.

“It also means we have a say in who is appointed to the National Mediation Board and the National Labor Relations Board, and who chairs the Surface Transportation Board, which rules on rail mergers and labor protection," Martin said. "And it means we have a friend of labor appointing federal judges to courts where many of our disputes with carriers are decided."

Martin said that "a vote for Obama in November is a vote for better paychecks, better benefits, better working conditions and better family security."