Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[dtownbro]

On what time/day/week/month/etc. are more of us going to accept the adult responsibility which any other responsible male who helps to bring new life into our midst considers a given?

Going of the deep end because some other colored (Obama) or black male (Cosby) said the obvious about that changes nothing about what some (if not all) of us should've faced up to (and did something about) last week (yet alone need to do something about that today)...

FYI...

[dtownbro]

Some say and write and tell yah what you want to hear:

Others say and write and tell yah what you don't!

Like Brother Malcolm?

Let's quit playing dumb:

That's why our enemies have us on the run!

Later for playing the victim:

No way to assure being among the victors!

Amandla...

FYI....

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by MadameX

First and foremost, the magic word you said is White conservative. Just those two words alone speaks volumes granted the skin Obama is in.

Secondly, if these individuals we were so knowledgeable in the Bible/Theology in the first place, they wouldn't feel threaten by him being in a house of the Lord especially since all Judea-Christian Religions & Islam are based on the Old Testament. It seems to me that they are harboring Anti-Christ sentiment, talk about the pot calling the kettle Black.

Third, it is no secret that allot of NRA members are in rural areas and happen to hunt often. Now, if he touched a nerve, so be it.

A couple of things cross my mind on this subject. One, I think the pathologies that aflict our community as Africans are so serious as to be due to much more than just dead-beat dads. Afterall, each and every one of these dead-beat dads are the sons of some woman. Getting to the point: much of their sorriness and trifleness come from their mothers. The bottome line: things are bad beyond belief, to the point of being appalling, shocking.

Two, Christianity is still a white man's religion. By this I mean that the corrupted American version of Christianity is a white man's religion. And, the only version of Christianiyt acceptable to most Americans is that version that is corrupted to be a white man's religion.

Having said that, it is clear that the most promient values and principles of Christianity are favarable to the porr and oppressed. The prioblem is, nobody ever preaches on GOD's emancipation of the slaves and the women and such. If they do, we are told that that is not the true religion. Only the white man's version is the "true religion". We must think for ourselves.

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

Not to say that African people don't have a problem with a good family but you are right about Obama's stance on every issue having to do with African people.
He has not once spoke on any issue that would criticize white folk and what they do to us. He has not once criticized the US for all of the terrible things they do to us daily. Rather he says the US has had a bad history but everything is ok now like Sean Bell didn't get shot by police 50 times. Like Javon Dawson didn't get shot in the back twice by police, like the Philly 3 didn't get beat down by a gang of police.

Obama has never represented anything that African people need and no one else can either as long as they are working for the Republican or Democratic party or any other party that African people haven't built to speak to our own interests!

We need Self-Determination!!!

African People's Socialist Party? Are you serious? I mean, I understand some of what y'all are talking about. Still, I cannot understand why you all never return my calls. Disresepct where I come from. All I suggest is that all parties form a United Front just as Malcolm X and Kwame Ture taught us. But, nobody can unite with someone who refuses to show minimum respect.

I am starting to suspect that you are hypocrites who have no sense of Pan-Africanism. In fact, much of what you seem to stand for is nothing but copying the European version of socialism. What we need is an African ideology. That includes socialism. But, it is not about imposing European ideologies on an African soul. That would never work. And, this is why you never return my calls.

[dtownbro]

Uh...

In all due candor and honesty:

Whaty'alltalkin'about, coloreds?!?

"White' Christiananity?

Never heard or read about the slave church or liberation theology??

Also do I need to remind yah how the black church was the basis of culture/etc. for most (if not all) of our folk, during both slavery days and the segregationist era(s) which followed it???

And...

Uh...

Martin Luther King, Jr and Jesse Jackson were/are what?

And even one particular Iman--Malcolm X--etc. did or do give props!

What indeed is the basis of your understanding and knowledge as to how our people survived--let along how others do continue to strive?

And do your role models tend to be such media hyped individuals??

So I hate to have to admit it:

But far too many of those so called black leftists etc. just make a lot of noise...

A few don't make much sense...

And while some had have they moments:

Most (if not all) of our people didn't or don't let them lead them anywhere...

Do return to the source, y'all:

And let us build new movements towards equality etc. based on things which did or do or originate with us:

Not them...

(White bigots and reactionaries and imperialists)...

Or somebody else who wasn't and isn't for us to begin with!

(As in colored and black leftist party hacks--- who were and are the worst sort of token coloresds and negro sellouts/traitors/etc--their damn selves)!

None of the above is new or news to me:

But it does seem and sound it's all kinda sorta new and news to you...

Simply put:

You either stand for something...

Or you'll fall for anything...

In either case:

Your choice...

FYI...

Later...

[darkshadow4563]

Originally Posted by msmiraclesmom

I love my people but it's a bitter pill to swallow when we choose to close our eyes to the many problems that our race has until someone tells us how it really is. Obama just stated what is, our race has a high rate of deadbeat dads. We don't want to hear anything negative about our race but some things we need to improve upon. It's a reality that shouldn't be. It's time for us to wake up.

I agree with your statement. It seems to me at this point anything he says black people are looking at under a microscope. He has to be perfect. We love to tear each other down. The answer..vote for the alternative and get more of the same.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by darkshadow4563

I agree with your statement. It seems to me at this point anything he says black people are looking at under a microscope. He has to be perfect. We love to tear each other down. The answer..vote for the alternative and get more of the same.

It's a shame that more of us aren't looking at him under a microscope. And I'm willing to be right now, you can't even make a fact based case for support Obama. But you want others to be under the same 'intoxication' that you are...

If a man says or does something in public, they deserve the public scrutiny. If any leader cannot handle the scrutiny merited by the magnitude of the position/job he's seeking, he certainly not qualified to be there.

Obama has received the most favorable coverage of any presidential candidate in recent memory. Except for Fox news, there is no doubt which way the public is leaning in this election.

What news outlet are you watching/reading?!

[darkshadow4563]

The same one you're watching but coming away with a totally different view.

Let's all acknowledge the obvious:

1. Obama is indeed just another politician who will say and do what it takes to get elected.

2. African socialism, Pan-Africanism, etc. will never be openly promoted or accepted by any mainstream black in political office, and quite frankly, will probably never be accepted by most blacks here in the states who have become comfortable with our capitalist, albeit, imperialistic, system.

So, where does that leave us???

Well, on fact #1, I ask of DBlack and other Obama critics (of which I am one), who you gonna vote for? McCain? Nader? Bob Barn?

As many have said in this thread, we (blacks in America) are foolish if we ever thought or think that a black man in the White House, even if miracle upon miracle happened and it was Farrakhan or Northeast ASPC's man, Omali Yeshitela, is going to be our savior, our golden goose. The white supremacist patriarchial system would not allow it.

That said, a vote for Obama is not a "sell-out" vote, "giving in to y-t" etc. At least not my vote. My vote represents me wanting to see an all black family in the most powerful house in the United States, as someone said earlier in this thread, so that I can tell my daughters achievement is possible. To enact any change or benefit to our people, working "Within" this system, one will have to play the game...unfortunately, that's how it is and that is why DBlack and Northeast, with your powerful intellect and passion, could never get far in politics in this country, and I respect you for that.

I have much more hope of any benefit for blacks in this country happening with a black family in the white house, than a Republican like McCain (though he's not the worse of the lot). BUT, I'm not looking to the White House for the panacea.

Fact #2. African Internationalism (A.I.) would scare not only y-t, but most blacks in this country. When Farrakhan and Hugo Chavez talk and preach about related A.I. concepts, what do most of us do, exactly, nothing. Black nationalism suffers from many of the same ailments as white supremacy: sexist, homophobic, patriarchal, exclusive...ailments which must be addressed.

Repair of our black communities will not happen with A.I. or a Obama Presidency, but with a plan put to action that includes self-determination, self-responsibilty, and a pride in black community that is based on not tearing down those who chose to work within our inperfect system, but on keeping their feet to the fire, with honest, respectful critiques.

[Disenfranchised]

Originally Posted by marquiss

Well, on fact #1, I ask of DBlack and other Obama critics (of which I am one), who you gonna vote for? McCain? Nader? Bob Barn?

I agree. How can you hold Obama to such a high standard, without pointing out all the negatives coming from McCain. No matter what you think of Obama hes 10 times better than McCain who changes his position on a weekly basis so that hes in line with Bush.