Obama Chastising Black Fathers, Once Again!

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by Mushumommy

so basically - Obama pulled a Cosby?
Obama isn't qualified to speak on this issue publicly becuase he's perceived as being a Tom?

Tom or no Tom, we msut encourage all of us to share their indiivual insights and opinions. Our problems are so great, and the old ideas and opinions have so greatlyfailed to solve these problems, the last thing we need now is self-censorship. Even if the ideas and opinions are totaly wrong and incorrect, we need to have them aired and published as a means to stimulate thought and discussion. For too long we have surpressed ourselves in order to please those who do not have our best interests at heart.

I posit a question - who would be better qualified to talk about black issues in a country where black folks opinion - real ones anyway - clearly are ignored on the regular?

Each and ervery African is "qualified" to publish the suffering and misery that he/she has experienced in the good ole USA.


[quote]Personally I'm voting for Jesus - can we write that in?QUOTE]

Well, guess what: Jesus ain't running. Even if elected, he would probably not serve.

[Mrs.Ali]

This is my first post I hope that I don't a bad rep coming in the door.

What did you expect for him to say, knowing where we are located and what he is trying to do; how could he have made this point to the black community with out losing white votes? Yes, sometimes you have to smile in the face of your enemy in order to get closer to your goal.

I am a newbie so educated me.

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Ali

This is my first post I hope that I don't a bad rep coming in the door.

What did you expect for him to say, knowing where we are located and what he is trying to do; how could he have made this point to the black community with out losing white votes? Yes, sometimes you have to smile in the face of your enemy in order to get closer to your goal.

I am a newbie so educated me.

Obama said the right things at the wrong time in the wrong place. He could have made his comments on some other day aside from Father's Day. Give our fathers just one day out of the year for a little respect and appraciation. Is that too much to ask?

I am starting to really worry about Obama. So far that trip to the Middle East is irritating me. How can he go there this way? I mean, he is going to Israel to kiss up to zionism. I am still hopeful that he will try to do the right thing eventually. But, the very idea of going to Israel without at least talking to the Palestinians is cause for concern. He would do better by not going at all.

Now that y'all got me started, let me say something about his hair brain ideas about Afghanistan. He was right to vote aginst the war in Irag. But, if he think he can just pull troops out of Irag to invade Afghanistan, we have another cause for concern. True, al-Qaida had bases in Afghanistan. But, the pigs in the USA were planning something against the Taliban before 9-11. One could hardly pick up a newspaper without seeing anti-Taliban propaganda and lies. When al-Qaida attacked, the Taliban government offered to negotiate a solution. But Dumb Dumb Bush, being true to form, refused to talk. Now, they seem to have brain-washed Obama to think that somehow they can win in Afghanistan by invading Pakistan. That is insane. I honestly do not think they can win in Afghanistan let alone Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But, the jury is still out. Obama still has the chance to un-screw American arrogance and policy somewhat. I think we all need to watch him closely and look for clues that he really is the candidate of change. Maybe he can say something intelligence about Afghanistan. Maybe he can say something intelligent about peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Maybe he can show a bit more appreciation for our fathers. I hope so. In meantime, I will watch him.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by abdurratln

Obama said the right things at the wrong time in the wrong place. He could have made his comments on some other day aside from Father's Day. Give our fathers just one day out of the year for a little respect and appraciation. Is that too much to ask?

Obama has a lot of personal baggage when it comes to race. He is, indeed, a reflection of the _real_ America --- an America where black and white co-exist, and where racism is alive and well but never dealt with.

He never had a relationship with his black father. His other black father figure was Jeremiah Wright and look how well that relationship turned out. Obama threw him under his tour bus, ran over him, backed up, and then ran over him again at the first sign of disapproval from his white supporters.

A psychiatrist might be inclined to suggest that Obama is redirecting his unreconciled inner rage over a childhood where he was denied the love of his black father while having to seek the approval of white maternal family members. He has, after all, already admitted publicly that his maternal grandmother was a racist. It is unlikely that she was the only one.

How could a black child grow up in such an environment and not end up as Obama has --- a deeply troubled man who is all smiles on the outside, but internally is driven to prove his love of White Mother by demonstrating his hate of the Black Father who deserted her?

Obama is not disrespecting black people as part of some clandestine spook-who-sat-by-the-door plan to put it to YT after he gets elected. Obama really, honestly, to his core, shares white america's opinion of black people in general and black men in particular. He proves this every time he says, or does, anything that involves black people.

Such a troubled man would have no problem, as President, ordering a nuclear strike against Iran to prove to White Mother that he loves her.

[afrocentric]

ooohh, now this is deep...

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by abdurratln

Obama is a Democrat. UI support him as the best among a field of entirely lousy candidates. I am never claimed to be anything other than an Independent lifelong cadre of the All-African People's Revolutionary Party. Clearly this means that Obama and I do not see eye to eye on everything.

LOL! man, please stop the bleeding. More hypocrisy. If you are an independent, then why do you feel compelled to vote for that which you fundamentally don't stand for? See, that's the kind of lack of manhood that we brothas have to start denouncing.

And even worse, you claim that you are a revolutionary! If that is even remotely true, how can an activist minded/driven person as yourself support and UncleTom...?

Please, have a seat. The more you talk the worse you sound.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

ooohh, now this is deep...

Yes, Istlota laid it down...

[Mushumommy]

Tom or no Tom, we msut encourage all of us to share their indiivual insights and opinions. Our problems are so great, and the old ideas and opinions have so greatlyfailed to solve these problems, the last thing we need now is self-censorship. Even if the ideas and opinions are totaly wrong and incorrect, we need to have them aired and published as a means to stimulate thought and discussion. For too long we have surpressed ourselves in order to please those who do not have our best interests at heart.

I agree with you that we tend to supress our own voices because of what the masses want us to say. But in this instance I'm asking specifically - who is qualified to speak for an entire group of people who clearly don't have the same idea of how this issue should be discussed. My problem is that we tend to argue over who is delivering the message instead of looking at the message.....We as black folk have come far, but we hold each other back with continued bickering back and forth about this one particular black man - Obama....or whatever you want to call him simply becuase his melanin pigmentation isn't as dark as the next black person....

The issue is it's a problem and it needs to be dealt with. Black PEOPLE men and women need to step up to the plate and do what they need - REQUIRED - to raise not only their own children, but our collective to a higher plane. That is not going to happen in a clearly imperfect human system such as the one we live in. That's not apologetic, it is what it is.....

I'm not saying I'm voting for Obama, but if you don't vote and get more of the same, who are you going to blame for that? McCain gives a rats arse about the black collective, the asian collective, the Indian collective....heck the poor white collective is not worth his mention as long as he gets elected by them. I'm just saying - if not Obama, then who? Why didn't anyone else who is just as, if not more so qualified, run in the democratic race?

Well, guess what: Jesus ain't running. Even if elected, he would probably not serve.

Some have already voted for him. He wouldn't run as he's already a King.....I added this for a little levity.

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by Istlota

Obama has a lot of personal baggage when it comes to race. He is, indeed, a reflection of the _real_ America --- an America where black and white co-exist, and where racism is alive and well but never dealt with.

He never had a relationship with his black father. His other black father figure was Jeremiah Wright and look how well that relationship turned out. Obama threw him under his tour bus, ran over him, backed up, and then ran over him again at the first sign of disapproval from his white supporters.

A psychiatrist might be inclined to suggest that Obama is redirecting his unreconciled inner rage over a childhood where he was denied the love of his black father while having to seek the approval of white maternal family members. He has, after all, already admitted publicly that his maternal grandmother was a racist. It is unlikely that she was the only one.

How could a black child grow up in such an environment and not end up as Obama has --- a deeply troubled man who is all smiles on the outside, but internally is driven to prove his love of White Mother by demonstrating his hate of the Black Father who deserted her?

Obama is not disrespecting black people as part of some clandestine spook-who-sat-by-the-door plan to put it to YT after he gets elected. Obama really, honestly, to his core, shares white america's opinion of black people in general and black men in particular. He proves this every time he says, or does, anything that involves black people.

Such a troubled man would have no problem, as President, ordering a nuclear strike against Iran to prove to White Mother that he loves her.

Chuck:

You know me...

I know you...

And, generally speaking, whatever his alleged or real missteps, i. e., since his comments etc. as regards black men who are a lot less off than he is nowadays, there's that other ole saying, i. e., "(w)hen I became a man,
I put aside such childish things...!"

Obviously now that he's a dad and a husband too:

One has gotta guess he would tend to be forgiving (if not forgetting) his own dad's past shortcomings...

So again as is true of all of us?

Never mind how he fronts:

I and we need and want to find out what he truly represents...

Above and beyond that:

Let us get back to whatever we're doing and saying to 'uplift the race' again...

Another one from an ally:

Not a 'critic'...

FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

[JABOOM]

I can say this about Obama and most of his comments,

He is saying what he can to balance out his standings with Amerikkka.

He has to chastise his own so he won't seem "Too Black"
He has to talk about change so he won't be considered "A Tom"
Most of all he has to keep the support of the religious goof balls in this nation.

What he is doing and why he is doing it is wrong plan and simple NO WAY of defending some one that makes comments depending on what people are thinking of you.
That just shows you have no mind of your own plus ZERO BALLZ to stand for something in your own mind.

Wish-washing works for white people because they wish-wash their damnselfs,
We can jump on his white side or whatever but lets keep it in the context of his character in honor of "King" (trying not to laugh) But he is only doing what he thinks he must to get the white vote.

If he was really about change the Mofo would be out grinding for change and not kissing any *** what so ever for a vote. He wouldn't be out to apologize for comments he didn't make that was made by people he knew. He wouldn't be talking bad about his own people but talking seriously on what he can do as a president to make jobs available for fathers that tend to leave when the times get rough (not an excuse but a reality)

Obama can't hope to get any votes from people who have steady patterns of thought and wishes of peace.

Because if your own thoughts and statements are in conflict how the hell can you speak of any peace