Racial segregation

[SmiteYT]

It seems to me today that the general consensus among my brothers and sisters is that we want to be able to do for ourselves without the help of the white man. Even reading the boards, this seems to be the overall view among us. Yet at the same time, the great civil rights leaders that represented us wanted to fight segregation. They believed that separate was not equal. I don't understand this. How can we hope to grow and help each other become a stronger race when we are forced to live in an unsegregated society among whites, having their culture pushed on ours. Did the civil rights leaders make some mistake? Should we live in a segregated society, so that we can do for ourselves and not have to have the white man looking over our shoulders? I think so, but I wanted to hear what you all believe, and what you make of this.

Edit: Please tell me how you feel about this. :)

[The_Righteous_One]

I think most times segragation happens de facto, whites hang with whites, latinos hang with latinos, and we hang with each other.

The great leaders of the civil rights wanted to fight segragation as segragation was used as a tool against us to discriminate and hold us back.

[Da Flash]

I think that the civil rights leader wanted equality for us not this existence that most of us endure where too many seem to want to leave thier "Blackness" behind to be "american" as if america gives a damn about you!!

I somehow don't believe that's what they were marching for!!

[CooperSale]

Segregation by CHOICE is much different than segregation by FORCE.

[Sasori]

I don't see anything wrong with it. You receive strength in numbers as well as other benefits if everything is pooled together.

If it work [albeit temporarily] for developments like Black Wallstreet, it should work now

[Mr Gumbo]

Civil Rights killed us. Our attempt to blend in with them ruined our own neighborhoods.

[Sasori]

I believe in ways you are right. For one, once our leaders started working with the politicians and got them past and employment with the government became readily available, most of the constituents left the movement and went to work. Soon that is all that it was and the movement itself stopped moving forward... since then the government became the leading employer of Nubians until this day. Starting with the 80s the numbers slowly started to dwindle, until today there are massive cutbacks in Federal, State, and Local government, taking the same jobs which were given to placate the movement and place masses of Nubians out of work.

The numbers for unemployment only reflect nationwide unemployment and not the effect that it has on the Nubian community, especially in the urban districts where it affects us the most

Even though it might be common that each race usually stays with their own, we need a more solid foundation as the Black Power movement had in the 70s, and become more isolated as some parts of Philly in the earlier era

[DBlack]

Are you serious? King is turning in his grave. White people didn't institute Segregation and Jim Crow Laws for nothing. There were in full understanding of what it would do to blacks. I can't believe any black person would dare question the validity of the Civil Rights movement or the fight to defeat Segregation. If you don't give a dayum about the welfare of yourself and your culture, at least understand it's value for what it gives your kids.

Segregationist policies and governments always hurt the cultural and racial minorities. Whether you like YT or not, there is a lot to be gained in terms of wealth building, commerce, education and cultural progression. All of these thing increase the power of the black collective, so that we, progressively become more powerful and influential in America as well as abroad.

With every generation is a chance for race relations to improves with blacks and whites. But it will take a long, long long time before we are all truly treated and respected as equal. Segregation would essentially negate and rollback all of the progress we have made in this country.

Wise up!

[Sasori]

They are fundamentally taken this right away from you. Look at the current trend of 'downsizing' and look at the numbers of unemployed. They are doing it within the law by simply setting the proportion; for every 1 caucasian, they are releasing 2 Nubians.

You may find it hard to believe, but the movement wasn't completed when it ended, with the strongest leaders assassinated and lack of strong leadership currently, it is falling by the wayside. Total integration into society has failed, systemic racism still exist in not in the Judicial System, but also in local governmental policy and districting.

All the advancements which you say would happen anyway for those who understand the system and move forth, it is not made primarily with help from other races, it is done because it is the best fiscal choice to allow, and most can not be denied for their brilliance. Plus, the main cultural proponent is also its worse in terms of materialism and overall message

You can't have it both way, you can't grow strong as a race together and at the same time, integrate with others and believe they will share power. The only way you will receive it is by taking the very thing they hold dear, taking their systems and working it better than them to the point where they must recognize you. That is not the nature of it. For example, look at the Jews, and the Asians, in your urban community, for the most part, they purchase only from their own, congregate only with their own, build within their own communities while only maintaining contact outside their realm in only when money and political policy is concerned. Those with power understand this and for the most part 'cater' to them, those who lack a basic power structure and identity are for the most part ignored and policy is made regardless of their concerns.
Treatment of Nubians abroad has nothing to do with Nubians in America fundamentally, for the most part, even though racism exists there, it is not to our country's level.

William E. B. Du Bois said it best in 'The Souls of Black Folk'

What if the Negro people be wooed from strife for righteousness, from love of knowing, to regard dollars as the be-all and end-all of life? What if Mammonism of America be added the rising Mammonism of the re-born South, and the Mammonism of this South be reinforced by the budding Mammonism of its half-wakened black millions?

The materialistic ethos of America is already deeply ingrained in us, transfering one slave owner to another in which currently holds the rest of the American people before we even got a chance to learn what we could do as a people together. From the start, our concerns with wealth and foundation made us move away from ourselves, with other notable speakers sprinkled through the decades to remind us what we should be doing together to combat these same atrocities, to finally the Black Power movement which was decimated by both the Civil Rights movement which moved to integrate us further to one people, and the Feminist movement when women sought their own rights.

America will always have issues with racism, they will always serve only the strong and financially stable. They only do so in groups and recognize you from the power which they could gain from you in that fashion. You could take what they give you and still do for yourself and people... but if there was true integration between the races... why do we cling to Affirmative Action? Why is there a label called 'Hate crimes'? Why are the judicial judgements served against minorities using a certain subdrug class penalized more than the later? Why are more cuts to the public medical services downsized federally, by state, and locally only to districts with large concentrations of poor minorities?

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by The_Righteous_One

I think most times segragation happens de facto, whites hang with whites, latinos hang with latinos, and we hang with each other.

The great leaders of the civil rights wanted to fight segragation as segragation was used as a tool against us to discriminate and hold us back.

CTJ:

Most blacks and people of color had no real role when it came to the rise of either the U. S. based slavery system nor the era of imposed white segregaton aka U. S. apartheid that followed it...

Neither can we really fault the Civil Rights leadership however limited or limiting their viewpoints et al as to the sole means and ways they went about trying to end the second because nobody is all knowing or all seeing...

The issue and problem was and is overreacting to the other group's usual hyping of what they are presumed and assumed to be about:

The reality is only a relative handful of very rich and therefore powerful white inheritors did and do decide what the white mainstream culture etc. is about or not at all...

Etc.

It is they who decided desegregation would be an easy way out lest their fears the white backlash to the clamoring for equality by the Civil Rights leadership et al would lead to a race war during the late sixties and early seventies:

That too would've undermined they own attempts to advance their own petty self interests around the globe...

The white mainstream turning against U. S. expansionism in Southeast Asia and the Arab Oil Embargo undermined their dreams and schemes anyhow...

That is how we got from there to here, posters...

FYI...

And another one from an ally...

Later...

Peace...