Racial segregation

[Meroe]

I suspect people such as Terminal Server and other apologist work overtime to assimilate so they can be accepted and feel important.

The race problem is by design. The majority of whites have no intention of fixing anything. Why would they? More progress for Blacks = less for whites. It is to their benefit and our collective detriment that Negroes and apologist perpetually try to "fix" the race problem anticipating one day we will all get along. Good luck with that.

Equality and integration is a carefully crafted illusion in this country. Only enlighten Blacks are keen to this. Negroes concern themselves with race relations and integration. What does equality and integration mean for some; the ability to live in a white neighborhood, marrying white women, eating in a white owned restaurant. Big freakin deal. Never mind the vast income gap. The unequal and racist justice system. The redlining. Gentrification of Black neighborhoods. But no, gotta integrate. Rather than worry about integration and race relations with people who truly don't want to be bothered with us, we should concentrate on the billions of dollars we net and recycle that money 16 fold before we drop it in a white persons hand.

Blacks are big seafood consumers. Did anyone know much of the seafood we consume that comes from Asia? Quite a bit. Once that seafood is imported to the U.S. we go to a white or Asian owned restaurant to spend our good money. Imagine if African Americans collectively organized black business to exclusively barter with an African nation such as Ghana for our seafood import. Not only would cost be less but there would no middleman. AAA have the capital while Africa has the resources. The dichotomy would be ideal. Both AA's and continental Africans could be self-sustaining with such a economic venture. Whites would envy this unique arraignment But no, Blacks gotta integrate and make white people feel special.

Why is that only Negroes who are the ones that are obsessed with integration, race relations, interracial marriage and other irrelevant issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the collective advancement of African Americans. The Ward Connerly types. As for myself, I'm not interested integration or race relations. I'm interested in monetary relations. Only dimwitted people have yet to disseminate how white people think strategically. Whites truly aren't interested in integration or race relations - because they hold the keys the economic engine to be a self-sustaining group of people. When you monopolize all the banks, the businesses and all other tangible resources, integration and race relations isn't important other than when it pertains to getting your Black dollar.

Funny, but whites in South Africa were never interested in equality, race relations nor integration until they began to witness their grip on power erode. Now they bellow for justice, equality and good race relations. Whites in America and other places are no different. But that's the nature of the beast. Integration is low priority when the ruling class sits comfortably in the drivers seat. Shift the driver to the passenger seat and suddenly equality and any other social constructs become top priority. When white demographics decrease - when fewer good jobs are available - you will then hear whites speak of race relations and equality for all. It's not until then do we all have to "get along".

All too often some Blacks feel they've "made it" or have arrived when they can live and work alongside whites - even if that means making and owning less than their white counterparts for performing the same job while possessing equivalent or superior education. This is the definition of equality for some Blacks. Not mine. Blacks are "integrated" in various aspects in this country. But how much political and economic autonomy do these integrated Blacks genuinely posses? Where is the equality in an integrated white corporation that employs over 60% of Black labor but distributes less than 10% of the profits to it's Black personnel?

Terminal Server:

I refuse to write an essay about the Black Panthers. You know very well of BPP programs government agencies later adopted, plagiarized and patented without giving proper recognition to origins of their existing programs. But for your absent-minded convenience, the ID schools the BPP engineered, you can locate these same schools in any city which are now referred to as "Charter Schools". This program is a precursor of the BPP. The BPP Community Outreach Program is now your local police departments auxiliary (private citizen) community patrol division. This program is a precursor of the BPP. The USDA offers a "National School Breakfast Program" that commenced in 1968. Oddly enough the BPP ran a "Free Breakfast Program" prior to the governments lifting of it's principles. This program is a precursor of BPP. There are several other initiatives but there's no need for me to smack you upside your head with information you already know or don't care to know. But I'm sure you get the point.

[Curious1]

Man,I've attempted to shorten my response to this 3x's..Let me get some clarification first...

But SchoolofSoul and TerminalServer....with all due respect...are ya'll serious...especially about the post '70's Babyboomer tunnel vision type thingy...

I'm gonna say...I beg to differ..and can name names..as to why I don't agree with that at all...

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by natirnr

we all on this board live in apartheid 2008, seperate but not equal,
so what do we do for our own survival!

We need to spend a good deal of time building our own educational and financial institutios, as well a our own utilities!

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Meroe

I suspect people such as Terminal Server and other apologist work overtime to assimilate so they can be accepted and feel important.

The race problem is by design. The majority of whites have no intention of fixing anything. Why would they? More progress for Blacks = less for whites. It is to their benefit and our collective detriment that Negroes and apologist perpetually try to "fix" the race problem anticipating one day we will all get along. Good luck with that.

Equality and integration is a carefully crafted illusion in this country. Only enlighten Blacks are keen to this. Negroes concern themselves with race relations and integration. What does equality and integration mean for some; the ability to live in a white neighborhood, marrying white women, eating in a white owned restaurant. Big freakin deal. Never mind the vast income gap. The unequal and racist justice system. The redlining. Gentrification of Black neighborhoods. But no, gotta integrate. Rather than worry about integration and race relations with people who truly don't want to be bothered with us, we should concentrate on the billions of dollars we net and recycle that money 16 fold before we drop it in a white persons hand.

Blacks are big seafood consumers. Did anyone know much of the seafood we consume that comes from Asia? Quite a bit. Once that seafood is imported to the U.S. we go to a white or Asian owned restaurant to spend our good money. Imagine if African Americans collectively organized black business to exclusively barter with an African nation such as Ghana for our seafood import. Not only would cost be less but there would no middleman. AAA have the capital while Africa has the resources. The dichotomy would be ideal. Both AA's and continental Africans could be self-sustaining with such a economic venture. Whites would envy this unique arraignment But no, Blacks gotta integrate and make white people feel special.

Why is that only Negroes who are the ones that are obsessed with integration, race relations, interracial marriage and other irrelevant issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the collective advancement of African Americans. The Ward Connerly types. As for myself, I'm not interested integration or race relations. I'm interested in monetary relations. Only dimwitted people have yet to disseminate how white people think strategically. Whites truly aren't interested in integration or race relations - because they hold the keys the economic engine to be a self-sustaining group of people. When you monopolize all the banks, the businesses and all other tangible resources, integration and race relations isn't important other than when it pertains to getting your Black dollar.

Funny, but whites in South Africa were never interested in equality, race relations nor integration until they began to witness their grip on power erode. Now they bellow for justice, equality and good race relations. Whites in America and other places are no different. But that's the nature of the beast. Integration is low priority when the ruling class sits comfortably in the drivers seat. Shift the driver to the passenger seat and suddenly equality and any other social constructs become top priority. When white demographics decrease - when fewer good jobs are available - you will then hear whites speak of race relations and equality for all. It's not until then do we all have to "get along".

All too often some Blacks feel they've "made it" or have arrived when they can live and work alongside whites - even if that means making and owning less than their white counterparts for performing the same job while possessing equivalent or superior education. This is the definition of equality for some Blacks. Not mine. Blacks are "integrated" in various aspects in this country. But how much political and economic autonomy do these integrated Blacks genuinely posses? Where is the equality in an integrated white corporation that employs over 60% of Black labor but distributes less than 10% of the profits to it's Black personnel?

Terminal Server:

I refuse to write an essay about the Black Panthers. You know very well of BPP programs government agencies later adopted, plagiarized and patented without giving proper recognition to origins of their existing programs. But for your absent-minded convenience, the ID schools the BPP engineered, you can locate these same schools in any city which are now referred to as "Charter Schools". This program is a precursor of the BPP. The BPP Community Outreach Program is now your local police departments auxiliary (private citizen) community patrol division. This program is a precursor of the BPP. The USDA offers a "National School Breakfast Program" that commenced in 1968. Oddly enough the BPP ran a "Free Breakfast Program" prior to the governments lifting of it's principles. This program is a precursor of BPP. There are several other initiatives but there's no need for me to smack you upside your head with information you already know or don't care to know. But I'm sure you get the point.

Good post, Meroe, but, your usage of the term "precursor" here is in direct opposition to your intent.

precursor - Definitions from Dictionary.com

pre·cur·sor /prɪˈkɜrsər, ˈprikɜr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pri-kur-ser, pree-kur-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person or thing that precedes, as in a job, a method, etc.; predecessor.
2. a person, animal, or thing that goes before and indicates the approach of someone or something else; harbinger: The first robin is a precursor of spring.

Rather, what you were saying about the various government programs taken from the BPP was that the BPP's programs were precursors of the government programs, not the other way around. The way you put it makes it sound as though the government came up with those ideas first, and I'm positive that's not what you meant to imply.

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by natirnr

We need to spend a good deal of time building our own educational and financial institutios, as well a our own utilities!

There are Black banks already in existence.

BW Online | April 7, 2003 | African-American Banks: Eyes on the $1 Billion Prize

Black Banks

blackenterprise.com

Black banks offer huge stock returns Black Enterprise - Find Articles

And if you wish to see a Black-owed utility company, you might want to be the change you seek, rather than expecting others to invest their money in such a business enterprise just because you think they should.

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Curious1

But SchoolofSoul and TerminalServer....with all due respect...are ya'll serious...especially about the post '70's Babyboomer tunnel vision type thingy...

I don't understand what your question is.

[Sasori]

Modern examples presented by those communities of self imposed segregation are evident that the system does work for the specified race or religious culture which does it.

When I say this my examples which were already addressed were
Asian
Jewish
Italians
and currently Latinos in Bronx NYC

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Sasori

Modern examples presented by those communities of self imposed segregation are evident that the system does work for the specified race or religious culture which does it.

When I say this my examples which were already addressed were
Asian
Jewish
Italians
and currently Latinos in Bronx NYC

All four of which are groups that have integrated with varying levels of success in much of the rest of the country. NYC isn't always the best gauge of race relations in the US.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a self-imposed, voluntary segregation by some communities of color is necessarily a bad thing; it can be very beneficial, and I would hope that any self-imposed segregation would result in a stronger, wealthier, more improved community (not to mention one that's more politically powerful). Personally, I would like to see a real strengthening of Black communities nationwide, in all areas of life. But let's not pretend that legal segregation was a positive thing. While it did have an upside in some respects internally within the community, because it was enforced from outside the community, it kept Black folks under a boot heel of government oppression, and I can't see why anyone would want that back.

Voluntary social segregation and integration are going to happen as times change and as people change, naturally. That's just a part of human nature. What isn't natural is for governments to legally impose racial segregation (or integration, quite frankly) on anyone.

[natirnr]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

There are Black banks already in existence.

BW Online | April 7, 2003 | African-American Banks: Eyes on the $1 Billion Prize

Black Banks

blackenterprise.com

Black banks offer huge stock returns Black Enterprise - Find Articles

And if you wish to see a Black-owed utility company, you might want to be the change you seek, rather than expecting others to invest their money in such a business enterprise just because you think they should.

..and the devaluation of the dollar,
and the administrative racism in this country,(the thread)
do you think or feel or believe
there is no need,
for us,
as Black folks,
to be self suficient and spend 80%,
of our utility expenditures among or own?

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by natirnr

..and the devaluation of the dollar,
and the administrative racism in this country,(the thread)
do you think or feel or believe
there is no need,
for us,
as Black folks,
to be self suficient and spend 80%,
of our utility expenditures among or own?

If you're asking me, no, I don't think there is no need for that. I think there very definitely is a need for that, and would love to see the Black community become much more economically self-sufficient. I think it's vital to the continued survival of the community.