Racial segregation

[Mr Gumbo]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

^^^Great post. And also it was the unequal treatment and mistreatment under Aparthied and Jim Crow that cause people to protest. If people simply wanted separate communities there would not have been many problems, protests or need for "civil rights."

Just like Gumbo said, we are separated today!! As a matter of fact, sources recently pointed out that here in Michigan, Black and white folks are more separated then they were before the Civil Rights Movement.

Integration totally destroyed and divided our communities, among other things. I agree with a pastor who was recently quoted as saying "We should have fought for equality, not integration." Tru-dat.

I totally agree with the statement we are seperated now. Go to any city and you can tell just by looking around which side is mostly black. We had our own everything and through integration they was able to stomp that out, divide us and set forth the big plan all at the same time.

I'm not trying to diminish the past and what people died for because whatever my views they did great things. They believed in something so strongly they died for it which is greatness in my book. I just have slightly different views is all.

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by Mr Gumbo

I totally agree with the statement we are seperated now. Go to any city and you can tell just by looking around which side is mostly black. We had our own everything and through integration they was able to stomp that out, divide us and set forth the big plan all at the same time.

I'm not trying to diminish the past and what people died for because whatever my views they did great things. They believed in something so strongly they died for it which is greatness in my book. I just have slightly different views is all.

CTJ:

Shall we reconsider and ponder what past generations of our people created and maintained on this side of the oceans and/or this continent again?

Of course!

Shall we do that as though nothing good or progressive came by the way of black mass movements and suchlike as well?

That would be counterproductive and shortsighted to me!

Instead?

Different accomplishments...

Different eras...

Different people...

Families come together to create communities...

Etc.

So we need to go back to square one and find out why our communities are self destructing...

Only then can we reverse the damage:

Via whatever is bringing that about this time around?

Anyway...

Another FYI...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by SmiteYT

How can we hope to grow and help each other become a stronger race when we are forced to live in an unsegregated society among whites, having their culture pushed on ours.

"You will eat mayonnaise on white bread and drink Perrier, you will play soccer, you will drive an SUV, you will live in the suburbs, you will listen to soft rock, and you will like it!"

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Mr Gumbo

I totally agree with the statement we are seperated now. Go to any city and you can tell just by looking around which side is mostly black. We had our own everything and through integration they was able to stomp that out, divide us and set forth the big plan all at the same time.

Mr. Gumbo, I do genuinely understand you and agree that integration has had a negative impact on the Black community, particularly economically, but the overall economy of the US, and of the world, has changed drastically since the 1950s as it is, in all communities. I do support Black businesses and believe that the promotion of entrepreneurship within the Black community is vital to it. I also believe that the promotion of higher education is equally vital to the continued health of any community.

While social segregation is a matter that cannot be solved by law (nor should it), legal segregation needed to be eliminated. Unfortunately, the ending of legal segregation eliminated the protection of oppression that previously allowed the Black economy to thrive as it did. It's not unlike the difference between a protected market economy in another nation suddenly having the doors of free trade thrown open to it. The effect of such a transition will be that some will win and some will lose. Both in the US and anywhere else in the world, there are plenty of businesses and even entire industries that simply no longer exist anymore because they were unable or unwilling to change or adapt as the economy changed and shifted. Then there are private businesses that go public or businesses that go out of business because the owner dies, or businesses that are sold to competitors or otherwise changed.

The good news is that there is still a sizable Black economy and it can be reinvigorated and revitalized and become thriving and prosperous again; in the long run, integration has been more of a setback for the Black economy than a nail in the coffin. The real question is: how fast can you manage change, and can you adapt to new market realities and act upon them?

[Terminal Server]

I can't believe any black person would dare question the validity of the Civil Rights movement or the fight to defeat Segregation. If you don't give a dayum about the welfare of yourself and your culture, at least understand it's value for what it gives your kids.

Thank you. Anyone who says that (intergration was bad for blacks) was obviously not around prior to the Civil Rights movement era. It amazes me how post 1970 X-Gen Negroes always seem to eagerly rattle the sword of race bluster and regurgiate tired 1969 black nationalistic cliches. The overhaul quality of life, opportunities and social/political/economic advancement of blacks today, when compared to what it was prior to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and a series of minority recruitment and affirmative action programs that followed, is not debatable.

Segregationist policies and governments always hurt the cultural and racial minorities. Whether you like YT or not, there is a lot to be gained in terms of wealth building, commerce, education and cultural progression. All of these thing increase the power of the black collective, so that we, progressively become more powerful and influential in America as well as abroad.

The opportunities and doors that are open to blacks today, did not exist for blacks prior to the civil rights movement of 1960s when segregation and open discrimination (both legal and unwritten tradition) was dominant in America (although an effort to fight the dehumanizing weight of racial segregation began much earlier -read; "Defying Dixie:The Radical Roots of Civil Rights 1919-1950", by Glenda E. Gilmore). The limitations and restrictions placed on black life before the human and civil rights movement, cannot be realistically nor intelligently justified under a mindless argument that black Americans were "better off before integration" (e.g. as a result of the human and civil rights movement). Anyone attempting to make such an argument is clearly ignorant of the facts. Such a claim cannot be supported by history nor reality.

With every generation is a chance for race relations to improves with blacks and whites. But it will take a long, long long time before we are all truly treated and respected as equal. Segregation would essentially negate and rollback all of the progress we have made in this country.

This is so true. As I said, this pro-segregation argument is made by those who did not exist during the 1940s, 50's or 60's. If they did, they would know very well what America is like now and what it was like then. They would know what blacks could not do then and what they can do now. They would also know the freedoms and liberties that exist today, under the post civil rights era ( the ones they never ever think about), did not exist for black people forty to fifty years ago. Think not? If you are under 40 years of age, just ask your grandparents! E'nuff said.....

[Meroe]

Originally Posted by Terminal Server

Negroes always seem to eagerly rattle the sword of race bluster and regurgiate tired 1969 black nationalistic cliches. The overhaul quality of life, opportunities and social/political/economic advancement of blacks today, when compared to what it was prior to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and a series of minority recruitment and affirmative action programs that followed, is not debatable.

This statement is double-talk and an oxymoron to say the least.

Excuse me, but it was those "tired 1969 black nationalist" that forced the hand of change - that made the ultimate sacrifice. Nothing would 'improve' without the Black power movement in this country. Was this an honest mistake on your part or a convenient oversight?

BTW, many social programs your city and county governments implement today were modeled after the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist organizations.

Get your story straight.

[Terminal Server]

This statement is double-talk and an oxymoron to say the least.

I don't think so. Perhaps you should read it again.

Excuse me, but it was those "tired 1969 black nationalist" that forced the hand of change - that made the ultimate sacrifice.

What sacrifices did they make? And exactly who are you talking about? Names please. And what exactly did they change? Details please.... And for the record, I was referring to recycled language that I've heard some misguided Negroes use. There is nothing fresh, interesting nor original about their sloganeering.

Nothing would 'improve' without the Black power movement in this country.

Uhhhhhhh....Ok. Now please tell me exactly what do you mean. I'd like to hear the details and examples of what would not have changed if these so-called "black nationalists" never existed. Perhaps we may have a difference of views of what you mean when you say the Black power movement. So, I'll wait for your response.

Was this an honest mistake on your part or a convenient oversight?

No. Not at all. But like I said, perhaps we may agree but I'll wait for you present names and examples of irrefutable successes of the so-called Black nationalists and their overall impact on black Americans as a group. As I suggested, we may actually agree.

BTW, many social programs your city and county governments implement today were modeled after the Black Panthers and other Black nationalist organizations.

Oh really? And what programs and policies might these be? Again, details please.....

Get your story straight.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. I was going to ask you the same thing.

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

"You will eat mayonnaise on white bread and drink Perrier, you will play soccer, you will drive an SUV, you will live in the suburbs, you will listen to soft rock, and you will like it!"

CTJ:

No...

Instead?

You will condone-- not condemn-- how black youth wear their pants below their underwear-- since it's just a sign of rebellion to some:

Others familiar with the prison population know it's a sign of submission between convicts involved in gay relations...

You aren't expected to exibite any respect towards black females (since words beginning with 'b' or 'w' is the means and ways they choose to refer to black females either in present or past relationships with those other males)...

You aren't expected to get props from other black males who exibit menancing fronts (and you are only expected to if and when you decide to beat the crap out of them for them taking offense when none was intended or meant in the first place)!

And-- of course-- "it's all good" --since any and everything that other person does to make an easy and fast and quick buck is supposed to be 'cool' with you --since the only thing you're presumed and assumed to be loyal to is somebody who is merely a part of the same ethnic/racial group?

Ditto to all of the above my response will be brief and to the point:

Based on WHAT?

Since WHEN?

Sez WHO?!?

Ignorance and studipity ad naseum are just being packaged via different means and ways these days...

Though one would expect anybody with just a few active brain cells would already realize they're being played-- like cowards--while I consider the people doing it to be losers themselves!

Thing is?

As per usual...

There are only certain means and ways to stand up to bullies...

One stands up...

One kisses up...

Or one just gives up!

So, what shall we be about in 2008, posters?

You tell me!

:

And another FYI from a friend of the family...

Take care...

Later...

Peace...

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Terminal Server

Thank you. Anyone who says that (intergration was bad for blacks) was obviously not around prior to the Civil Rights movement era. It amazes me how post 1970 X-Gen Negroes always seem to eagerly rattle the sword of race bluster and regurgiate tired 1969 black nationalistic cliches. The overhaul quality of life, opportunities and social/political/economic advancement of blacks today, when compared to what it was prior to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and a series of minority recruitment and affirmative action programs that followed, is not debatable.



The opportunities and doors that are open to blacks today, did not exist for blacks prior to the civil rights movement of 1960s when segregation and open discrimination (both legal and unwritten tradition) was dominant in America (although an effort to fight the dehumanizing weight of racial segregation began much earlier -read; "Defying Dixie:The Radical Roots of Civil Rights 1919-1950", by Glenda E. Gilmore). The limitations and restrictions placed on black life before the human and civil rights movement, cannot be realistically nor intelligently justified under a mindless argument that black Americans were "better off before integration" (e.g. as a result of the human and civil rights movement). Anyone attempting to make such an argument is clearly ignorant of the facts. Such a claim cannot be supported by history nor reality.



This is so true. As I said, this pro-segregation argument is made by those who did not exist during the 1940s, 50's or 60's. If they did, they would know very well what America is like now and what it was like then. They would know what blacks could not do then and what they can do now. They would also know the freedoms and liberties that exist today, under the post civil rights era ( the ones they never ever think about), did not exist for black people forty to fifty years ago. Think not? If you are under 40 years of age, just ask your grandparents! E'nuff said.....

You know, my pastor (who's 56 and definitely does remember Black life before the CRM) would agree with you on this, but at the same time, he's openly opined that something good was lost in the Black community, both socially and economically, post-integration. I have to say I agree with him.

[natirnr]

we all on this board live in apartheid 2008, seperate but not equal,
so what do we do for our own survival!