Racial segregation

[Mr Gumbo]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Are you serious? King is turning in his grave. White people didn't institute Segregation and Jim Crow Laws for nothing. There were in full understanding of what it would do to blacks. I can't believe any black person would dare question the validity of the Civil Rights movement or the fight to defeat Segregation. If you don't give a dayum about the welfare of yourself and your culture, at least understand it's value for what it gives your kids.

Segregationist policies and governments always hurt the cultural and racial minorities. Whether you like YT or not, there is a lot to be gained in terms of wealth building, commerce, education and cultural progression. All of these thing increase the power of the black collective, so that we, progressively become more powerful and influential in America as well as abroad.

With every generation is a chance for race relations to improves with blacks and whites. But it will take a long, long long time before we are all truly treated and respected as equal. Segregation would essentially negate and rollback all of the progress we have made in this country.

Wise up!

I understand what he was doing but when it became okay for us to go on the other side of town, we walked past Claira's Kitchen to go to Chili's even though the food sucked but because we could and Claira's eventually went out of business. Same can be said for everything we had in our neighborhoods. We had everything all the way up to the Black Wallstreet where is all that now, go to any hood in America and that's what we got. We started leaving our neighborhoods fast because we could and now look. The only reason they stopped segregation is because they had this plan in place for us and it worked beautifully.

I was a fan of MLK but I didn't like some of his tactics. You marching and you know they waiting with dogs and hoses why you got women and kids with you. I identified with Malcolm more. I'm not a muslim or never been 1 but I loved the black pride message and the eye for a eye.

The CRM had good intentions,but they were fighting a different beast. Segregation which was unequal. If segregation can be equal it is perfectly fine and for me preferred. Personally, my sandwich never tasted better because I sat next to a white guy, I didn't read my books any better being seated next to Sally. If the schools are funded equitably, the roads and city services equitable, and laws applied equally, separation will be far superior. A race without any self determination ever will never be confered respect.
We must look at the facts. Since integration; schools are worst; poverty rate has not decreased; violent crime; areas that were economically dominated by Blacks, are now dominated by Arabs, Chinese and whites. The largest increase ion Black income was not after CRM, but the ten years before the Civil rights Act. We also must remember their were many Blacks who did not support the CRM, but it isn't promoted that way now; do some research many rather pro Black people didn't support the CRM. It is not a cut and dry situation, many groups had many different schools of thought. CRM was most moderate and able to satisfy whites(Jews & Liberal) and moderate & intergrationist Blacks.

[dtownbro]

Both slavery and segregation were not just a reflection of unjust laws but also enforced by the worse brutality and bloodshed via recorded human history...

So, in both the cases of the black maroon communities set up by those who became the Black Seminoles and who aided hundreds of enslaved blacks to regain their freedom during their Second Seminole War, to those courageous Civil Rights activitists during the fifties and sixties who helped to topple the separate AND unequal system called segregation:

It was a case of do or die!

Perhaps it has come to that again...

Do keep that in mind as well, posters...

And another one from an ally...

FYI...

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Afro Saxon

The CRM had good intentions,but they were fighting a different beast. Segregation which was unequal. If segregation can be equal it is perfectly fine and for me preferred. Personally, my sandwich never tasted better because I sat next to a white guy, I didn't read my books any better being seated next to Sally. If the schools are funded equitably, the roads and city services equitable, and laws applied equally, separation will be far superior. A race without any self determination ever will never be confered respect.
We must look at the facts. Since integration; schools are worst; poverty rate has not decreased; violent crime; areas that were economically dominated by Blacks, are now dominated by Arabs, Chinese and whites. The largest increase ion Black income was not after CRM, but the ten years before the Civil rights Act. We also must remember their were many Blacks who did not support the CRM, but it isn't promoted that way now; do some research many rather pro Black people didn't support the CRM. It is not a cut and dry situation, many groups had many different schools of thought. CRM was most moderate and able to satisfy whites(Jews & Liberal) and moderate & intergrationist Blacks.

Afro, you have some great points, but come on now....The problem with our social infrastructure has nothing to do with race. It's elitist government agendas that are deliberately under investing in it's people. We, as a people stand to gain the most when we have equal access to the same opportunities that whites have. THAT is the primary purpose of the Civil Rights Movement. To suggest that segregation is somehow beneficial for the qualitative survival of our people is ridiculous.

Take myself for example. Military brat, borned and raised on welfare. We had it so bad, mom had to leave me with kinfolk, while she joined the ARmy because that was the only thing she felt she could do. If Jim Crow were alive an well, my mom would never have had that same chance to get us out of the ghetto, and I probably wouldn't be in I.T. and probably wouldn't be typing this post, because I wouldn't know, let alone have access to the internet or a computer.

[dtownbro]

First of all?

There's a need for some I. T. tech to check out the log in thingee (because yet again after I had signed in it malfunctioned and my text was lost in the process)!

Let's move on anyway!

Simply put?

Dblack, very on point/on time comeback, my man!

More to the point?

Please do your homework, beforehand, posters...

I. e., the white status quo (not the Civil Rights advocates) have been the ones undermining our forebears and our own attempts to 'do for self', and for generations...

Don't just forget about what happened in Tulsa in the 1920's...

Don't just forget about urban (black) renewal (removal...

And, don't dare forget about white DISINVESTMENT, (which took place everywhere after the urban rebellions)...

Some just need to quit bleeding...

Others need to do more leading...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Mr Gumbo

Civil Rights killed us. Our attempt to blend in with them ruined our own neighborhoods.

Gee, that's funny; a lot of them think it ruined their neighborhoods too.

I'm guessing that you'd like to go back to the good old days of "whites only" and "colored only" signs and separate drinking fountains and so forth.

Always interesting to see who's in the rah-rah section for apartheid, after so many have fought and died fighting against it.

Isn't it amazing how other ethnic communities can thrive and prosper without promoting racial and ethnic segregation and pining for the good old days?

Believe me when I say that you really don't want it to be like the good old days, because those good old days really weren't that good in the final analysis.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

The problem with our social infrastructure has nothing to do with race. It's elitist government agendas that are deliberately under investing in it's people.

Hmmm. Essentially, the comments made by you and Afro are parallel in nature. The varied socio economic status and socio-familial infrastructure of our people have been effected by the institutional racism that was put in place in colonization prior to the creation of this country by its founding fathers/aristocrats.

[Sasori]

There were Nubian [as well as Nubian women] soldiers in the military since WWI and prior, my family is a military family as well, and my ancestors been on the frontlines since WWII. There have been also been blacks who haven't lived in the ghettos of America as well, albeit a small number.

Since we are only dealing with the present and not a time machine, they can't take computers, technology, or any of the sort away from you. So that isn't even a problem.
Who says we want to return 'to the old days'? But honestly, if there was a time machine... war will be the only thing on my mind with our former captors

Black Wallstreet and early era Atlanta are the archetypes for striving Nubian communities, who didn't have any whites invested in their areas at first, only when they seen that it would be more lucrative for them to enter, and when they can't enter, they sought to destroy in other ways.

Let them, we could take care of ourselves, in our communities, creating our own infrastructures and the like... such as 'Chinatown' and 'Little Italy' or any Jewish community, they do for themselves without outsiders interference for the most part, but catered by the government because of their consolidated powers.

What they have done is segregation without the leglislation, it is self imposed Aparthied, it is what China's original foreign policy was when they said they didn't want interference from the outside.

[Mr Gumbo]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

Gee, that's funny; a lot of them think it ruined their neighborhoods too.

I'm guessing that you'd like to go back to the good old days of "whites only" and "colored only" signs and separate drinking fountains and so forth.

Always interesting to see who's in the rah-rah section for apartheid, after so many have fought and died fighting against it.

Isn't it amazing how other ethnic communities can thrive and prosper without promoting racial and ethnic segregation and pining for the good old days?

Believe me when I say that you really don't want it to be like the good old days, because those good old days really weren't that good in the final analysis.

I really don't care what they think about their neighborhoods. The good old days we were doing way better than we are now. The more integrated we became the worse off we got. I don't know what the answer is and nobody else does and I understand what people died for but look at the result. As much as they hated us back then why do you think they allowed this to happen, what because of marches and protests? Look at the plan that they had waiting for us.

Everywhere I go I see other ethnic communities living racial and ethnic segregation, not sure if they promoting it but go to any city and you'll see a place where it's mostly spanish, mostly chinese and so on and so on.

There were parts of the good ole days that were very good and that we are currently missing. Of course I don't wanna go all the way back but we need some of the stuff in us that they had during that time.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Mr Gumbo

I really don't care what they think about their neighborhoods. The good old days we were doing way better than we are now. The more integrated we became the worse off we got. I don't know what the answer is and nobody else does and I understand what people died for but look at the result. As much as they hated us back then why do you think they allowed this to happen, what because of marches and protests? Look at the plan that they had waiting for us.

Everywhere I go I see other ethnic communities living racial and ethnic segregation, not sure if they promoting it but go to any city and you'll see a place where it's mostly spanish, mostly chinese and so on and so on.

There were parts of the good ole days that were very good and that we are currently missing. Of course I don't wanna go all the way back but we need some of the stuff in us that they had during that time.

^^^Great post. And also it was the unequal treatment and mistreatment under Aparthied and Jim Crow that cause people to protest. If people simply wanted separate communities there would not have been many problems, protests or need for "civil rights."

Just like Gumbo said, we are separated today!! As a matter of fact, sources recently pointed out that here in Michigan, Black and white folks are more separated then they were before the Civil Rights Movement.

Integration totally destroyed and divided our communities, among other things. I agree with a pastor who was recently quoted as saying "We should have fought for equality, not integration." Tru-dat.