Obama's Accomplishments & Qualifications

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Istlota

I appreciate your post because it shows me an Obama that I did not know about. It shows me that, back then, Obama probably had some measure of concern for the long list of issues that disproportionally affect black communities. And, if he talked like that today, I would vote for him. But, he don't, so I won't.



And, Bush is a member of the Methodist Church. But, that didn't stop him from torturing his enemies [in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 5:44]. What good does it do to physically attend a church whose teachings you do not follow? Specifically, in the case of Obama, when has he ever uttered the words "black liberation" in a speech or public appearance?

Excellent points Istlota!

Obama also had islamic fundamentalist teachings when younger. Do I think he's a terrorist, hell no! But it shows lack of stability in character, but personally, I prefer to keep politics seperate from religion. We don't need a black version of George Bush, and frankly, Obama is starting to look alot more like him.

[dtownbro]

Only one white prez--Harry Truman--ever did anything for our folks--that is-- because he wanted to...

The other two--FDR and LBJ--our folks (via their real or potential movements)--led them to do things for us because they needed to...

Otherwise--when it comes down to the 'real nitty gritty'--Bush Junior lowered the standards bar--hence we have these media overhyped would be replacements--and the one--McCain--being a bit candid about admitting he'll do whatever it will take to become the next president...

The flip side?

The game is being rigged--big time--and whichever one winds up becoming the next president will just carry on the rich white folks business as usual-- aka as their surrogate...

Yes...

There is the false hope some black Obama supporters place in him:

But what can or should I or you say or do when some folks just continue to believe what they want to believe?

The flip side of that:

Like or loathe the other fella--Cosby--all should not just diss the messenger--and we badly need to heed his wake up calls!

So to me the campaigns et al are annoying and just detractions from what we should be doing for ourselves anyway...

As for your criticisms as regards my lack of a serious critique of Obama:

Electoral politics isn't something I was I am advocating to resolve what aills us and our people to begin with!

Otherwise I will heed your wake up call as well...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

I prefer to keep politics separate from religion.

Agreed. At the end of the day, all Black Americans have different religious affiliations. However, at the same time, they will not effect how we vote. More or less, we'll vote according to the obligations that was set by the sweat and tears that our ancestors endured to get this privilege to participate in the process of an Presidential Election.

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Agreed. At the end of the day, all Black Americans have different religious affiliations. However, at the same time, they will not effect how we vote. More or less, we'll vote according to the obligations that was set by the sweat and tears that our ancestors endured to get this privilege to participate in the process of an Presidential Election.

CTJ:

What should begin our day(s) is use placing within a historical context the ups and downs of our peoples past (and present) strives towards equalit and freedom--as in with all of the other ethnic/racial groups--in this nation...

By way of an obvious historical footnote:

Some of our forebears went from being enslaved human beings to elected officials during the era of Reconstruction...

Blance K. Bruce was actually one of the first colored elected officials who was a U. S. Senator...

Instead most (if any) of today's folk only associate the likes of Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. and Ed Brooke with exibiting the same sort of ability or ambition...

No disrespect to either brother:

But, oh really, folks?

Ditto now Barack Obama has become our great black hope...

Instead--at best--only at the city and county level--have our folk been able to exibit any clout--via more recent eras...

So my and the and more to the point:

Vote for who?

And to accomplish what??

The flip side:

Let us belabor to consider our and our peoples true equality:

By all means necessary...

Let's don't limit ourselves to one option...

FYI...

And another one from a friend or the family...

Later...

CTJ

[dtownbro]

Brother DBlack, again I thank you for your recent wake up call, because I admit just starting to know and understand what the questions are, i. e., as regards knowing and understanding what we're up against, as individuals and our relations, etc., this time around?

Though the flip side is this:

Even if one is neither an activist or a theorist?

Even if one merely got a high school diploma is is not a college grad?

Most (if not all) of the people on this board either had to smile thru clenshed teeth and/or have to just be hoping or praying for getting their faces on the local (or network) news casts, i. e., because which colored or black people with active brain cells actually bought what Bush sold or are just back Obama on the basis of his speeches?

I mean, give it a rest, folks!

Y'see, I've been hearing and reading a lot of things, i. e., from back during my BLACKTALK posting days-- up to now on this website's forums:

So you tell me when the world WHITE IMPERIALISM and WHITE SUPREMACY stopped identifying what this nation is all about!

It seems and sounds to me it is our own folk who would turn back the ole clock and then relegate things to a 'we too are americans' -- or at least 'good negroes' stanch-- and a PRE rebellion era mindset...

Instead?

Them rebellions DID take place!

I. e., white/black relations, as in based on what the one (whites) were (mis)led to believe about the other, as in there were (or are) no things WE (the PRESENT generations) are actually willing to fight for, (which I truly doubt), will never be the same again!

Above and beyond that:

Anybody who gets attacked has their right to defend themselves!

So what else is new and news?!?

My point?

Let us quit avoiding and evading OUR adult responsibility for helping to make OUR communities etc. places and spaces that decent and morally upright and honest and hard working people CAN live in again!

FYI...

And another one from a friend of the family..

Later...

CTJ

[The Dragon]

So to me the campaigns et al are annoying and just detractions from what we should be doing for ourselves anyway...

This is the bottom line.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by LadyDivine

Obama membership in an UNASHAMEDLY black liberation theology church, which promotes a Black Value System……..
LINKS:
Obama's Pastor...one of my mentor's in the Ministry.
YouTube - Jeremiah Wright on Fox/I]

Little did we know, when we were talking about Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright five months ago, that it would now be front page news.

There is a great clip of Jeremiah Wright on YouTube that reveals just how far Wright's views of America are from Obama's.

As I listened to Wright, I found myself thinking what a safer world we would live in if the next POTUS was as opposed to war and violence as Jeremiah Wright. Unfotunately, that will not happen. the next POTUS will be Obama, Hilllary, or McCain. And, all three of them have, frequently and strongly, expressed their commitment to continuing America's misguided, racist, war on terror.

[DBlack]

Well stated my brotha, you are dead on!

[Curious1]

Barack Obama on the Issues

I am more "confused" now than ever...This inbreed democratic fighting is giving me a headache...I will admit since his speech..I am now torn..I;m not sure where he truly stands...and it's not race based...but politically speaking..based...I will have decided come election day...trust that...but here is a site that delves into the voting and proposal plans of the candidates..where they reportedly stand/spoke pro/con/ for/against...key issues..race, immigration, abortion, the "war", and of course the powderkeg issues of health care....

This is the weirdest freakin' PRIMARY race I can recall....Come the actual election and race between the Repubs/ Demo's...the gloves are gonna for sure come off...and there will be some no hold's bar...mess ..that will come out of the closets...

Let the Games Begin...

[dtownbro]

Originally Posted by Istlota

Little did we know, when we were talking about Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright five months ago, that it would now be front page news.

There is a great clip of Jeremiah Wright on YouTube that reveals just how far Wright's views of America are from Obama's.

As I listened to Wright, I found myself thinking what a safer world we would live in if the next POTUS was as opposed to war and violence as Jeremiah Wright. Unfotunately, that will not happen. the next POTUS will be Obama, Hilllary, or McCain. And, all three of them have, frequently and strongly, expressed their commitment to continuing America's misguided, racist, war on terror.

CTJ:

Good afternoon, my good brother...

But what we need to face up to is how others fall for what our peoples enemies say while their deeds we're very aware of by now...

Has the agenda from Columbus 'discovery' (invasion) of these continents to Bush Junior's' 'liberation' of Iraq changed much?

Not really!

One individual's ambition--regardless of their ethnic or racial background--matters not or little in relationship to that...

The flip side:

Both the late Shirley Chisolm and Brother Jesse Jackson were a wee bit more for real about it than Obama even comes close to...

The illusions is things could be business (or politics) as usual since those 9/11/01 attacks...

The reality is Osama Bin Laden operates not only as his minions did but maybe things are worse than they were...

Add to that:

How the enslavement of our african ancestors preceded how white folks got in it just to advance their own petty and/or self serving interests...

Never mind the fragile egos of their minions:

Ditto like those fictional capo of that legendary movie of the seventies put it candidly and honestly?

"It's not (really) personal: It's (just) business..."

For some it's about the need:

For others it's about the greed...

Though let our struggles based on a recover of our peoples rightful place as equals among the world's humanity go on anyhow...

FYI...

Later...

CTJ