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Old November 21st, 2007, 09:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think that his voting record should be taking into account as well as his qualifiacations and accomplishments. Oh yes and his allies and alliances.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 08:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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A few bills sponsored by Senator Obama

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1. S.CON.RES.5 : A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 1/31/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

4. S.CON.RES.46 : A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 9/17/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 9/17/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

7. S.RES.383 : A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 11/15/2007) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 11/15/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

13. S.133 : A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 1/4/2007) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 1/4/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

15. S.453 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 1/31/2007) Cosponsors (20)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Senate Reports: 110-191
Latest Major Action: 10/4/2007 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 411.

23. S.823 : A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to facilitating the development of microbicides for preventing transmission of HIV/AIDS and other diseases, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 3/8/2007) Cosponsors (18)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 3/8/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

40. S.1790 : A bill to make grants to carry out activities to prevent the incidence of unintended pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections among teens in racial or ethnic minority or immigrant communities, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 7/16/2007) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 7/16/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

48. S.1989 : A bill to provide a mechanism for the determination on the merits of the claims of claimants who met the class criteria in a civil action relating to racial discrimination by the Department of Agriculture but who were denied that determination.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] (introduced 8/3/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 8/3/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
Very far from complete, but I think the bills a person sponsors are pretty relevant to their qualifications, accomplishments, and offer insight into their values.

Source: Library of Congress, also available on the web THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 
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Old February 18th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #33 (permalink)
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A few bills sponsored by Senator Obama



Very far from complete, but I think the bills a person sponsors are pretty relevant to their qualifications, accomplishments, and offer insight into their values.

Source: Library of Congress, also available on the web THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Thanks so much for this information. Taught me some things I didn't know.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 01:56 AM   #34 (permalink)
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A few bills sponsored by Senator Obama



Very far from complete, but I think the bills a person sponsors are pretty relevant to their qualifications, accomplishments, and offer insight into their values.

Source: Library of Congress, also available on the web THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Are you serious? Just read that pathetic and petty list of bills. Surely you aren't trying to conclude that he's presidential because of such meaningless and ineffective bills?!

... And Anyone can sponsor a bill. It's more symbolic than anything else, so that would hardly count as a qualification. Just because one is a senator doesn't automatically qualify them as President and it would be different if he came up with a bill that became law; that shows effective leadership, the ability to bring about...yes, change, rather than rhetorical hope!

And since you are bringing up his senatorial record, please include the 100+ no votes (one of the worst in current senate) and an attendance below 30%. In order to make Change, you actually have to participate in the government. You can't call yourself an agent of change if you are given a job to do so and you don't make the most of it.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 03:12 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Are you serious? Just read that pathetic and petty list of bills. Surely you aren't trying to conclude that he's presidential because of such meaningless and ineffective bills?!

... And Anyone can sponsor a bill. It's more symbolic than anything else, so that would hardly count as a qualification. Just because one is a senator doesn't automatically qualify them as President and it would be different if he came up with a bill that became law; that shows effective leadership, the ability to bring about...yes, change, rather than rhetorical hope!

And since you are bringing up his senatorial record, please include the 100+ no votes (one of the worst in current senate) and an attendance below 30%. In order to make Change, you actually have to participate in the government. You can't call yourself an agent of change if you are given a job to do so and you don't make the most of it.
First let me say that I'm impressed you actually read the bills in their entirety and presented an informed opinion about them being pathetic, particularly the issues that minority farm owners face --definitely well informed.

Sponsoring a bill is hardly just symbolic. Its part of the long process of having a bill introduced for its first reading, debate, and if applicable amendments and second reading and eventually voting. Voting is just part of the formula. I agree his attendance and consistency are sub par, but a congressmen who does not sponsor bills or introduce new legislation is neglecting the voice of his constituents. Bills aren't written by single senators most of the time, they're usually joint efforts such as committees.

Also, I did not imply that simply being a senator makes a person qualified.

I'm hardly enthusiastic of any of the candidates, but its pretty clear who the lesser evil is. Any other inferences you make are on you.
 
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Old February 25th, 2008, 12:39 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I guess this doesn't apply to me since I'm not american, but, I don't trust him, not because he's black, but because he's a politician, and I have no faith in ANYONE involved in politricks...the campaign (for all) is about lies and deceit to sway your vote, afterwards you mean nothing...I've heard a lot of good about obama, but I don't support any politician..even if he's black, I see him as a politician (liar) first, then a black man.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 01:02 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Qualified or unqualified, Mr. Obama may actually become the next U. S. president, and only after he's served in the office will he prove if he's the man for the job or not at all...

The flip side is any objective overview of that earlier generation of black elected officials, i. e., who served their voters well, back during the Reconstruction era,
easily reveals (even after slavery) some of our own were just as capable of helping to run things as the whites would have us to believe all of their elected officials are nowadays...

Yes...

Let us crow a little bit about one of our own making it that far...

But...

Let us also strive to judge one and all on the basis of their merits...

That may well usher in true equality (and during our lifetimes)...

FYI...

Later...

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Old February 26th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #38 (permalink)
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[b][i]Obama in his own words on community organizing…..
I appreciate your post because it shows me an Obama that I did not know about. It shows me that, back then, Obama probably had some measure of concern for the long list of issues that disproportionally affect black communities. And, if he talked like that today, I would vote for him. But, he don't, so I won't.

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And, Bush is a member of the Methodist Church. But, that didn't stop him from torturing his enemies [in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 5:44]. What good does it do to physically attend a church whose teachings you do not follow? Specifically, in the case of Obama, when has he ever uttered the words "black liberation" in a speech or public appearance?
 
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Old February 26th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I appreciate your post because it shows me an Obama that I did not know about. It shows me that, back then, Obama probably had some measure of concern for the long list of issues that disproportionally affect black communities. And, if he talked like that today, I would vote for him. But, he don't, so I won't.



And, Bush is a member of the Methodist Church. But, that didn't stop him from torturing his enemies [in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 5:44]. What good does it do to physically attend a church whose teachings you do not follow?

Chuck:

You wrote...

Specifically, in the case of Obama, when has he ever uttered the words "black liberation" in a speech or public appearance?
Me:

No...

I never expected him to...

And you did?

But I don't remember either Shirley Chisolm or Jesse Jackson doing that either!

So, what sort of standards are you expecting folks clamoring to win elected offices to be judged worthy of our votes, bro?

I'm guessing mine are probably a tad bit different than yours...

Anyway...

Holla back...

Whenever, bro...

FYI...

Later...

Peace...
 
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Qualified or unqualified, Mr. Obama may actually become the next U. S. president, and only after he's served in the office will he prove if he's the man for the job or not at all...

The flip side is any objective overview of that earlier generation of black elected officials, i. e., who served their voters well, back during the Reconstruction era,
easily reveals (even after slavery) some of our own were just as capable of helping to run things as the whites would have us to believe all of their elected officials are nowadays...

Yes...

Let us crow a little bit about one of our own making it that far...

But...

Let us also strive to judge one and all on the basis of their merits...

That may well usher in true equality (and during our lifetimes)...

FYI...

Later...

CTJ
First of all, I don't consider Uncle Toms one of "Our Own". But you are certainly welcome to do that, it's your choice. I do agree that we should evaluate people based on their merits, but you seem to be contradicting this point.

But since you claim that Obama is one of our own, you need to look at his policy, his platform. Forget about his lack of experience and acheivement for the moment. Obama has an agenda, that if he's successful, will do more harm to blacks than you can possibly imaging. From Open Borders, to quasi-medical care, to pro-Iraq war support, etc.....

Let's look at the issues and strive to be intellectually honest. King and others died so we could use our minds freely, not be collective uncle toms in mindset.

Good points nonetheless.
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