Who would you Vote for in '08 Election?

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by Northeast APSP

It was a way for good ol' Clinton to say that the Democratic Party is not a Party of Negroes but a Party that will support the same interests it has been supporting. White Power Imperialism!
Didn't hear much from Jesse Jackson after that neither did we?

Preach! Glad you brought this up. Alot changed when Brotha Jesse went from activist to politicing (he forgot about the careful balance that must be kept due to our struggle being in the skin we're in ).

However, as always, Slick Willie was giving numerous N*gga Wakeup calls from his treatment of Sista SoulJah, and Lani Guinier (just for starters I can on). Afterwhile, Jesse got tired of being a pon went back to where he's needed the most.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by MadameX

However, as always, Slick Willie was giving numerous N*gga Wakeup calls from his treatment of Sista SoulJah, and Lani Guinier (just for starters I can on).

Good point. Obama, being the good boy that he is, would not even have nominated a conscious sister like Guinier to the Civil Rights division. Prez Clinton did at least nominate her, but then dropped her like a hot potato when right wingers started their usual whining.

Every four years, 80% of us turn out to vote for who ever the democratic candidate is for Prez. At some point, we are going to have to stop banging our head against that same spot on the wall of White Supremacy.

[abdurratln]

Originally Posted by DBlack

Yeah, it's Clinton's fault you are still recovering from your job loss well over a decade ago, lol! Get real!
If you know of a President that created more job growth for blacks than Clinton, regardless of your ridiculous opinion of wages, I'd love to hear it. But you've already proven you can't objectively respond to a debated point. Besides, this thread is not really about him anyway.

Bottom line is blacks will lose more jobs under Obama's watch.

FDR created more jobs than Clinton. And, they were NOT (excuse the bold-face print) below poverty level jobs.

It is not Clinton's fault than he hurt me very badly; but he did not destroy me. By this I mane that I am recovering even though it took this long. And, I will suceed no matter who is president becaue this time I am basing my business in Africa. lol

[PLAC3]

you guys forget that Lani Guinier's nomination was withdrawn because it came out that she had some seriously insane ideas on how voting should work. She believed that voting be manipulated so that minority groups (blacks, latinos, etc) would have an unfair chance of winning, in effect making it so minorities would be as represented as the majority. (I'm sure some of you are thinking this is a good idea...it's not.) Once this hit the mainstream (courtesy of republicans) people on both sides of the aisle started pressuring Clinton to rescind the nomination. As Clinton mentioned in his book he lost her as a friend because of this. IMO this was the right decision. Her ideas on voting are/were straight up undemocratic.

Also, Dblack, I am curious about what your ideal candidate would be, given your opposition to Obama.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by PLAC3

you guys forget that Lani Guinier's nomination was withdrawn because it came out that she had some seriously insane ideas on how voting should work. She believed that voting be manipulated so that minority groups (blacks, latinos, etc) would have an unfair chance of winning, in effect making it so minorities would be as represented as the majority. (I'm sure some of you are thinking this is a good idea...it's not.)

A synopsis of her ideas on Cumulative Voting can be found here:

CdPNY

She noted, correctly, that our current winner take all Electoral College system guarantees that the will of the majority [whites] will always trump the will of minorities [the rest of us]. Such a system is immoral, racist, and _SHOULD_ be replaced with something else. Her idea of some thing else involved a reasonable plan to replace the current geographical, and racially polarized, voting districts with voluntary interest constituencies where individual voters complement each other based on common interest rather than the race or ward into which they happened to have been born.

Needless to say, there is no way in hell that the majority [whites] would support someone who favored an electoral system designed to remove the priviledged status they have come to view as an entitlement.

[s8loud]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

why in the world would you want cynthia mckinney?

I think a more apt question would be, 'why not?'

She wants to get the US out of Iraq now, not within a timeline convenient to the US and at the expense of Iraqis.

She wants true, universal (single-payer) healthcare.

She supports the right of return for all Katrina survivors.

She's wants to hold government contractors accountable for the atrocities they commit abroad (iraq).

She supports a liveable wage for all americans, acknowledging that the federal minimum wage is insufficient for just about all those who work for it.

Etcetera, etcetera...

Do you disagree with any of this?

[Paul Cuffee]

Originally Posted by mgarvey4evr

ill be votin for Cynthia Mckinney

Good man, excellent choice.

[PLAC3]

Originally Posted by Istlota

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The minority should not have equal power. The minority of the population should have a minority of the representation. If you think about it, it would make our government similar to the ones in South Africa and Rhodesia, only somewhat reversed. As I said before, the reason her nomination was withdrawn was because even people who had nothing in common as far as politics go agreed that her ideas were, for lack of a better word, retarded.

Also you people voting for Cynthia McKinney are crazy. Not only are you throwing your vote away, but you're supporting someone who gave a speech praising the Weathermen, ( Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) ) along with other radical groups, like FARC. She also has demonstrated support for RevCom (communist revolution in America) and 9/11 truth organizations. And let's not forget the capital hill police incident. She actually punched a policeman in the chest, and then later had the balls to say HE was at fault. He could have actually taken her to prison right there, but he decided not to.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by PLAC3

The minority should not have equal power. The minority of the population should have a minority of the representation.

I can't believe you are going to lead with that as your best argument. You do know this is a black forum, right?

America's version of democracy _proves_ what is wrong with what you are saying. A winner take all system like ours _GUARANTEES_ the tyranny we have now where the majority uses the power of the State to force their will upon the minority.

Mortals, in this age, are far from perfect. Most people vote in a purely selfish manner, in their own self-interest. A moral form of government has to be structured in a way that prevents the selfishness of the majority from becoming domestic and foreign policy. Otherwise, you end up with what we have now where black people who smoke crack get heavier sentences than white people who snort cocaine. And, you end up with not one but three immigration policies -- one for immigrants from Europe, another for cubans who think they are white, and a third most restrictive policy for black [Haitian] and brown [Mexican] immigrants.

A racist white person might think all this is acceptable. A brainwashed brother like Obama might think this is part of the "goodness and greatness" of America. But, a moral citizen of the world, which Lani Guinere happens to be, will seek a better way.

And, by the way, everything you said about Cynthia McKinney is a lie. Why are you so hostile to black female political figures? Bush is one baby step away from nuking Iran. Hillary [a rich white woman] is begging her supporters to pay her political debts. Obama has pledged his complete and total support for the Israeli war machine. And, McCain has taken the politics of personal attacks to a whole new level.

Yet, you choose to focus on lies the media cooked up years ago about two black women who dared to stand up to White Power and say Hell No. If these two sistas are crazy, than clearly America needs a hell of a lot more crazy black women in the White House and Congress.

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by PLAC3

Also you people voting for Cynthia McKinney are crazy. Not only are you throwing your vote away, but you're supporting someone who gave a speech praising the Weathermen, ( Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) )

This lie is a great example of how some people lie by telling less than the whole the truth. It is based on two true events.

One true event is when she and her supporters chanted “Power To The People”, which is, indeed, a slogan used by many anti-fascism organizations. But, that hardly proves she is a member of any of them. Lots of AfroChat members use that slogan.

The second true event is when she said "you don’t need a weather man to tell which way the wind blows”. This, of course, is referring to the weather, not the Weathermen militant group.

along with other radical groups, like FARC. She also has demonstrated support for RevCom (communist revolution in America)

I assume this is referring to the Revolutionary Communist Party. McKinney is not of a member of, nor has endorsed the Revolutionary Communist Party. She is running as a candidate for another party, the Green Party.

These lies, about her being a communist, are not based on any proof of any kind. It is just old school McCarthyism. I know this because I took the time to research it. I intentionally suffered thru the worst of anti-McKinney sites, which interestingly enough, but not surprisingly, also tend to white supremacist sites. All of them repeat the same lies. None of them, not one, provide even one reference to anything remotely resembling proof.

and 9/11 truth organizations.

I agree with her, as do millions of other Americans, that 9/11 was an inside job. You can hear her articulate her point of view on this at the following link:

YouTube - Dr. William Pepper (introduced by Cynthia McKinney)

And let's not forget the capital hill police incident. She actually punched a policeman in the chest, and then later had the balls to say HE was at fault. He could have actually taken her to prison right there, but he decided not to.

She did not punch anyone on the chest. The media just repeated what the cops told them. I assume we all understand if she really had punched a white cop, he would have done what any other white cop would do after a black person punched them. He would have beat her *** Rodney King style and insisted she made him do it,

But, that is not what happened.

McKinney was wearing a label pin that identifies her as a member of congress. Not that it is necessary since it ain’t like there are, or have ever been, that many black female congresswomen for the Smiths to keep track of. And, note, on other days, other cops let her pass thru after checking her lapel pin. But, on this day, this particular white klansman, Paul McKenna, decided to make an example out of her and insisted she show some other ID. She refused.

What happened next is contested. He says she assaulted him. She says he assaulted her. The media, of course, printed the white cop's version of what happened.

McKinney, following the advice of her lawyers, went on the floor of Congress, and apologized. She specifically stated that there should never have been any physical contact. But, and please note the distinction, she did not say it was _she_ who initiated the physical contact.

It is a complete and, I suspect, intentional, lie that the cop chose not to take her to prison. Cops do not legally have that power. It is a grand jury who makes that decision. And, the grand jury, after reviewing the evidence, decided not to indict her. And, that is good enough for me not to hold it against her as well.