Who would you Vote for in '08 Election?

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Samoon

Hmmm....from the latest indications here, looks like Obama is the front-runner here.....*smh"

That's all....lol.

GWBush was a front runner as well, same thing happening, different candidate; same level of qualifications, or lacktherof. So was Reagan. I'm sure there is some intelligent point you are trying to make.......at least I'm assuming there is.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by carrbow

Obama and Clinton are going to keep arguing to the point they send a lot of votes to Mcclain.

Most of the Clinton backer will most likely defect to McCain. A lot of them are still very bitter from the early mischaracterizations of Hillary and Bill as making racist statements. Ridiculous, but so is the modern media and black psyche.

Because McCain has many liberal/democratic views, he could become a huge beneficiary of the democratic divide. McCain has some huge advantages as well as vulnerabilities. He's a true war hero; didn't avoide enlistment like Obama, Bush, Cheney and a long list of others. McCain has actually fought for campaign reform on the national level. He's also support national bills that are pro-democratic and yes, pro-black. Bills such as job creation, tax incentives to domestic business, tax breaks for the middle class. Obama has only a record of promises of what he 'will' do, but no record of doing any of it.

Don't take my word for it, do the research yourself. McCain could be dangerous, simply because he's actually done something.

This debacle makes another valid point: Great leader unite, not divide. Both Hillary and Obama are dividing elements in the Democratic party, thereby weakening it's position.

With McCain's huge vulnerabilities, he could very well end up the next president.

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by DBlack

GWBush was a front runner as well, same thing happening, different candidate; same level of qualifications, or lacktherof. So was Reagan. I'm sure there is some intelligent point you are trying to make.......at least I'm assuming there is.

Smile. Au contraire, no points being made. Just observation...smile. That's all! lol

[Chinky]

I will be exercising my right to vote no matter what. But my question to those who do not support democratic and republican parties is why choose not to vote at all? If you found someone to support then why not vote for that person instead of boycotting the election?

[Istlota]

Originally Posted by Chinky

I will be exercising my right to vote no matter what. But my question to those who do not support democratic and republican parties is why choose not to vote at all? If you found someone to support then why not vote for that person instead of boycotting the election?

Assuming you are specifically talking about POTUS candidates, I am leaning toward voting for McKinney. But, I also understand why some of my fellow independents will choose not to vote for a POTUS in 2008.

Third party POTUS candidates can not win. Even in the unlikely event that a third party candidate won the popular vote, the electoral college would nullify the will of the people. Since a third party voter knows, going in, that his choice for POTUS can not win, it would not be unreasonable for him to choose not to vote for POTUS.

Where palatable third party candidates are on the ballot for local and state offices, third party voters will show up to cast votes for them.

I do not give any weight to the argument democrats are using that a vote for a third party is a vote for McCain. Keeping a republican out of the white house is a dumb reason for voting. That argument ignores the fact that the POTUS is powerless unless Congress gives him funding.

Did Hillary, a democrat, vote to give Bush his omnipotent war powers? Yes.

Did Hillary and Obama, both democrats, vote to fund Bush's war efforts? Yes.

Did Pelosi, a democrat, refuse to allow impeachment hearings against Bush? Yes.

And, now, these traitorous democrats, who failed to end the war after we turned out in 2006 to give them the majority in both House and Senate, think we are going to show up again just to help them keep McCain out of office? Not going to happen.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by DBlack

He's a true war hero; didn't avoide enlistment like Obama, Bush, Cheney and a long list of others.

True. He didn't try draft dodge and forsake his duties and isn't a Purple Heart.

Originally Posted by DBlack

He's also support national bills that are pro-democratic and yes, pro-black.

Wow, this is a complete about face considering that he didn't support MLK Jr. Day.

Originally Posted by DBlack

Both Hillary and Obama are dividing elements in the Democratic party, thereby weakening it's position.

The butchering of the Union support is great example of your point. Alot of factions were devided from the National to Local level.

Originally Posted by DBlack

he could very well end up the next president.

This remains to be seen given the treacherous political climate.

[s8loud]

Originally Posted by Istlota

Assuming you are specifically talking about POTUS candidates, I am leaning toward voting for McKinney. But, I also understand why some of my fellow independents will choose not to vote for a POTUS in 2008.

Third party POTUS candidates can not win. Even in the unlikely event that a third party candidate won the popular vote, the electoral college would nullify the will of the people. Since a third party voter knows, going in, that his choice for POTUS can not win, it would not be unreasonable for him to choose not to vote for POTUS.

Where palatable third party candidates are on the ballot for local and state offices, third party voters will show up to cast votes for them.

I do not give any weight to the argument democrats are using that a vote for a third party is a vote for McCain. Keeping a republican out of the white house is a dumb reason for voting. That argument ignores the fact that the POTUS is powerless unless Congress gives him funding.

Did Hillary, a democrat, vote to give Bush his omnipotent war powers? Yes.

Did Hillary and Obama, both democrats, vote to fund Bush's war efforts? Yes.

Did Pelosi, a democrat, refuse to allow impeachment hearings against Bush? Yes.

And, now, these traitorous democrats, who failed to end the war after we turned out in 2006 to give them the majority in both House and Senate, think we are going to show up again just to help them keep McCain out of office? Not going to happen.

I'll likely be voting for McKinney as well. I do my best to have my votes be informed and principled, so going the demo/repub route isn't an option for me.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by s8loud

I'll likely be voting for McKinney as well. I do my best to have my votes be informed and principled, so going the demo/repub route isn't an option for me.

You know you do have a vote. At first I was not going to vote for anyone. Can't vote for an UncleTom and certainly can see myself voting for McCain.

McKinney is someone I can vote for in good conciense. After all, she has been right about most of the things she has said and stood for and she is not afraid to offend white people. That is most...

[Kargenac]

Originally Posted by DBlack

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Obama didn't actually evade the draft, FYI. The Vietnam War ended in 1975, when he was 14, and the actual draft ended in 1973 when he was only 12. He had no real reason to enlist in the army, the only "real" war that happened when he was eligible for service was the Persian Gulf War, and he had just been elected first black president of Harvard Law Review in 1990, and what sane person would give that up to go enlist?

Also, McCain isn't exactly the "war hero" you think him to be. Check this out:

Daily Kos: McCain - War Hero or Just Incompetent Pilot?

some highlights - he may have caused a major forest fire that killed over 100 sailors along with a fellow pilot, the worst non-combat incident in the Navy's history thus far. Apparently, he "wet-started" his plane causing a large jet of flame to come from his engines, which caused the rocket on the plane behind him to launch. The rocket may have caused the forest fire, as well as kill the pilot behind him because of the explosion that occurred. He also graduated 894th in his class, out of 899.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by Kargenac

Obama didn't actually evade the draft, FYI. The Vietnam War ended in 1975, when he was 14, and the actual draft ended in 1973 when he was only 12. He had no real reason to enlist in the army, the only "real" war that happened when he was eligible for service was the Persian Gulf War, and he had just been elected first black president of Harvard Law Review in 1990, and what sane person would give that up to go enlist?

Also, McCain isn't exactly the "war hero" you think him to be. Check this out:

Daily Kos: McCain - War Hero or Just Incompetent Pilot?

some highlights - he may have caused a major forest fire that killed over 100 sailors along with a fellow pilot, the worst non-combat incident in the Navy's history thus far. Apparently, he "wet-started" his plane causing a large jet of flame to come from his engines, which caused the rocket on the plane behind him to launch. The rocket may have caused the forest fire, as well as kill the pilot behind him because of the explosion that occurred. He also graduated 894th in his class, out of 899.

At least McCain served! What has Obama done? Anything? We have amazing black leaders everywhere that are pro-black, but we are propping up a underacheiving, smooth talking UncleTom. Come better than that...!

What is a 'real war'? All wars are bad and certainly real. What a trifling way to try and rationalize the choices of another. Keep in mind, Obama had plenty of opportunities to join the Armed services, but just like most cowardly politicians, he avoided it. I don't remember saying that he avoided the draft, but he certianly avoided military service.

Second, you pick an articl from The daily KOS, an over ignorant, bomb throwing, agenda driven blog? What about all the other articles that clearly show McCain's military service and journey as a POW? I grew up in a military family, and I can tell you that ALL military persons have major respect for those that have been POWs. I'm not defending McCain, just showing how blatantly transparent you are being. Do you even know anyone that has been a POW? Let's say McCain was incompetent, does that mean he deserved to be tortured? No one does. Would you feel the same if it was Obama?

I hate wars, and have some contempt of those who engage in it. But I do sympathize with what a human has to go through in that situation. After all, in times of wars 'real' or not; who do you think understands what troops go through more? Your comments show your bias and your inability to be objective and compassionate.

And one needs to realize; if you are running for President of the United States, patriotism should not be an issue. I'm not a patriot, because of the many things that my people have endured here. But I'm not running for president either.