Who would you Vote for in '08 Election?

[Fenix]

I'd actually like to see Clinton and Obama on the same ticket. I feel like as it stands, they would split the Black vote, giving another candidate a leg up in the primary. But, since that's probably not going to happen, I'm going to go with Barack because I agree with his stance on most, if not all of the issues.

[reallynow]

Originally Posted by LadyFromThaD

Right now, I'm in favor of consistency as far as ideals, stance, and past voting history/track record...if the vote was today, I'd vote for Barack. He has yet to start talking out the side of his mouth, unlike the rest of the field. Hillary is a little suspect in my opinion because of her switchero on the war issue. I think Black folks are giving her the okay because of her husband, but she has nowhere near the personality and charisma Bill has. She's gonna have to pimp her personality game up if she wants to really connect to voters.

If I was forced at gunpoint to vote republican (cuz that's about what it would take for me to do so), I'd say Guliani. As of yet, he's being consistent with his stance on hot topics and is more liberal than the rest of the candidates on that side of the isle. Up until he changed his stance on abortion and the theory of evolution, I would have said McCain.


McCain courting Christian conservatives - John McCain News - MSNBC.com (McCain & evolution theory)
McCain says Roe should be overturned - John McCain News - MSNBC.com (McCain & abortion)

I totally agree!

[jacqui]

I honestly can't tell the difference between any of them. I can close my eyes and pull the lever and it would all be the same to me. They are all saying the same thing to me. Absolutely Nothing.

[Corals]

Originally Posted by jacqui

I honestly can't tell the difference between any of them. I can close my eyes and pull the lever and it would all be the same to me. They are all saying the same thing to me. Absolutely Nothing.

..and that would most likely be what you would get from whoever wins, nothing. We all know what politicians are good at, talk, talk and more talk.

[DBlack]

Originally Posted by sephari

what switchero? her stance on the war hasn't changed a bit, she even said that if you don't like it there are other candidates to vote for.

LadyD's right bruh, She did pull a swichero as many have. Regardless of what comes from her mouth, she did vote to authorize the war. To her credit, she admitted she made a mistake in that vote long ago, and stated if she had known now what she knew then, she would not have supported.

I don't trust her 100%, but she does have the most experience.

Barack has got to show me more. I'm looking for reasons to jump on board with him, but I have to be able to intelligently do that. His experience is very shallow, which concerns me. he does appear genuine and honest. I like the fact that he can criticize himself before the media gets a change to throw him under the bus. His newness to Capitol hill makes him more vulnerable to the corruptibility of big business and money as he has never had to deal with it before. I'm looking forward to learning more about him in the coming months.

But I don't think Amerikkka is ready for a Black Man to be the most powerful leader of the free world. Not that this would impact my vote.

[sephari]

Originally Posted by DBlack

LadyD's right bruh, She did pull a swichero as many have...

“If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or who has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from,” she said, a veiled reference to two of her rivals for the Democratic nomination — respectively, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because..."

• Critic of Iraq war, but won't recant 2002 vote in its favor. (Nov 2006)
• Regrets Bush's handling of war, but not her war vote. (Oct 2006)

now i ask again why would any of you anti iraq war people favor this woman?
(this is not a rhetorical question)

[LadyFromThaD]

Maybe swicthero ain't quite what I mean....

on January 28th, Hillary: “This was his decision to go to war with an ill-conceived plan and an incompetently executed strategy,” the Democratic senator from New York said in her initial presidential campaign swing through Iowa. Clinton: Bush must not pass war along - Politics - MSNBC.com

Yet in the 2004 story that sephari mentions, she pretty much says she doesn't regret her vote of support for the iraqi war. if the initial plan was a joke, then how could she not regret her decision? It seems that she wants to call it a mess on one hand but doesn't want to admit that she was wrong on the other. IMO if she's gonna stick to her guns, then she should be working on ideas for improvement of the situation in iraq and work that route only. Hillary talking smack about something she was willing to ride out on only makes her look bad. not that I think her saying "I'm sorry" is gonna change the world, but it would work to make her seem less bull headed and conflicting to the public. John Edwards is doing the apology dance, she can too. Sorry not so hard for John Edwards - John Edwards News - MSNBC.com

whether she says sorry or not, the fact more than likely remains that the US will not be out of iraq before bush leaves office. So at this point, we should be looking at who has the best and most realistic exit strategy. As for whether I would vote for her when the time comes, I'm still torn over that one. if she has the best plan for the way out of iraq, i guess I'll have some thinking to do...

[DBlack]

Well, I'm not about to get into defending Hillary and when she disagreed with the war. The bottom line is that she changed her view, and admitted her regrets. Last time I checked, we are all adults and have made decisions that we later regret. Facing up to our mistakes takes character. Doing it under the fire of others takes character and courage.

If you want to hang someone for changing their mind, then you might as well be a Bush supporter; he hasn't changed his mind on the war one bit. That's not the kind of leadership we need.

Barack has got to bring more to the table than the fact that he voted against the war. As much as I hate to admit it, right now, he has NO record. NO mayorship, NO governorship, no established record as a congressman. No experience as a successful businessman. I'm waiting and hoping that in the next year, he can show me much more. I want to give my vote to him, but I gotta have compelling reason to do so.

[LadyNoir]

Originally Posted by the-Batts

Whats up D black. Man its Barak Obama, and you missed a few canidates like John Edwards (D) and John Mclean (R).

I havent had time to do too much reasearch on any canidates but I watch C-Span as much as possible. Barack is completely against the war in Iraq, and has voted against the war from day one. He was very impressive at the last Democratic Convention endorsing John Kerry. And, he's definetly...black.

John Edwards is pro-war, and ran for vice president with John Kerry. John Mclean is a tough one. He acts and speaks like a democrat but is a republican. He is a army vet and very old. We really have to wait until the Primary Elections.

In comparison, Mr. Reagan (with his Alzheimers and his personal dilusions of grandeur), was "old" too; and though he didn't have half the sense as Mr McClain; he was elected twice to the Oval Office. I always felt Nancy was actually the one running the office, but that's just an opinion—and a personal one at that.

Mr McClain is a very astute politician, a decorated ex-veteran. [During his military career, he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Purple Heart, and a Distinguished Flying Cross.] He seems fair-minded, and capable. I didn't post this to indicate which way I'd vote, just to say that age, especially in people who happen to be above the age of 30, does not necessarily deem that person unfit for leadership.

Now do you see, DBlack why I feel my age here at AC?

It's okay, though, because you young people are great thinkers and debaters, and you're the ones who'll carry on when we old folks are gone and forgotten. Keep up the good work young people.

[LadyNoir]

Originally Posted by Fenix

I'd actually like to see Clinton and Obama on the same ticket. I feel like as it stands, they would split the Black vote, giving another candidate a leg up in the primary. But, since that's probably not going to happen, I'm going to go with Barack because I agree with his stance on most, if not all of the issues.

Hillary as the President?
Obama as the Vice President?
William Jefferson Clinton as the First Gentleman, and the first Ex-president to return in any capacity? Thats very interesting.

Or:

Obama as the President?
Hillary as the Vice President?

According to official/unofficial records, President Bill Clinton, when he left the Hill, there was approximately a 127 Billion dollar surplus, but as we all know (those of us who keep an eye on fiscal matters) or have been personally caught up in these matters, we know that in spite of that surplus left by President Clinton, that G. Dubya Bush put us right back in the red in less than one year of being in office and he never looked back!

I may be the one person on AC living long enough to be able to relate to what was in the past, years ago, called or deemed "Hoover Days" (not that I was here during that time, but have family members who were), people whom I sat at their feet, learning from them.

From what was related to me, as bad as it was then, there was some help —WPA—AND family, friends, and neighbors— among other things. But that's another story, and all of it, the "help," was not Guv'ment related, because we, as a people, during that period, looked out for each other. But I brought this up to say we need to be careful how we vote and we may need to begin to prepare for hard times. If any of the young AC people here are blessed to have grand- or great-grand parents still living (especially in the age range of approximately early 60's and above), sit down with them and ask them about Hoover Days, WPA, commodities, etc. This is how I learned a lot about what went on before I was born and my early years after being born.