Why Is The Older Generation...

[Ascension2012]

That's the thing, skiz

You're right, we (I came up in the 80's) had our share of "garbage" too.....rappers that degraded women - TooShort.......silly records, Rappin Duke. But it was token, now it's common. It's almost like it's a contest to see who can say the most ridiculous thing, or act the wildest. And kids, not to pick on your gen Moe, but you are the demographic targeted by these "artists"...kids eat it up.

I have a 14 year old, and I regularly talk to him about music and rappers, so he's not fooled. It's cool to like what's hot, but understand why it's hot, who's making money off of it (off of YOU), and that you can't just listen, you have to hear.

[Juice.]

Originally Posted by Moe17

Bashing the music of today so badly? I mean, I was having a discussion with my father about this two or so days ago.
He was bobbying his head to some old-school rap...saying "See, that mess today-that t-pain, etc." He called OUR music popcorn...saying that the rap back then was !sh, classic, etc. I brought up how, even the generation before the 80's was bashing he music to the ground too---he got a little tongue tied, stating that the music in the 80s was highly appreciated by the older folks. Because it brought something new to music...that really pissed me off. I wanted to keep the argument going, but...its my father (lol).
And t-pain is nothing new? It sounds "corny" to everyone else, but this is OUR generation...I mean I could go down to talk about Lupe Fiasco, etc. I mean people from OUR generation around OUR age range.

Anyways, stuff like this gets to me, why is the older generation always bashing us? Im so sick of it, we just want the older generation to be by our sides...I know we have had it easier than many people before us, Im probably labeled just another spoiled brat---who's not afraid to bring this up.
Whether a song sounds "dumb" to you, someone always has to generalize our generation like we are not sh...this has really made my blood boil for the longest!


...and yes, that comment Ice-T cream lovin' behind made about Soldja Boy, got to me...(even though I dont like Soldja Boy)

Speak on it sista.

Lyricism in Hip-Hop, today, has far surpassed the Hip-Hop of the past. Today we have dudes like Dead Prez, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Joell Ortiz, Paris, Nas, etc. Their lyrics are more hard-hitting, educated, revolutionary, and progressive than the Hip-Hop of the past.

Most old folks tend to use groups like Run DMC and the Sugar Hill Gang to justify their hatred of modern day Hip-Hop. I never got that. Run DMC was rapping about their shoes and the Sugar Hill Gang was rapping "i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop a you don't stop the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie the beat."

Now we have dudes rapping about poverty, racism, Capitalism, religion, the media, the banks, the United States government, the Israeli government, and a litany of other social and political viewpoints. How was "My Adidas" better than the Hip-Hop of today?

The thing y'all have to realize is that we live in Capitalist America. Therefore music is produced, controlled, distributed, and treated like a product. As with any other product, the distributors have to market it to appeal to the majority of the population.

It just so happens that the majority of Americans are ignorant fools who do not want to hear social commentary and meaningful content. Middle Class white folks don't want to hear that because it's contrary to everything they were raised on. That's the reality of the music industry in America.

BUT, that does not mean that Hip-Hop as a whole is a mindless genre focused on mindless lyrics. The stuff that's keeping white women dancing in the clubs is NOT out in bigger numbers then truly meaningful Hip-Hop. That's just the Hip-Hop that is marketed to you.

[Moe17]

I tell ya, I listen to A LOT of music...You guys should hear this because we are not the only ones who are not 'original' if you will...
YouTube - You Belong to me Remix (all 5 )Versions
I am not bashing, but I thought this was interesting...there is alot more where this came from. Its a lot of 'original' classics that duplicate from songs decades old...even from songs from other countries!

[Moe17]

Originally Posted by Ascension2012

I have a 14 year old, and I regularly talk to him about music and rappers, so he's not fooled. It's cool to like what's hot, but understand why it's hot, who's making money off of it (off of YOU), and that you can't just listen, you have to hear.

Thats the quote that stood out the most to me...yes, we (well, most of us if not all) know what 'real' music is today. Our gen is hypnotized by the beats of these songs...not the lyrics at all. I could post some of the songs in particular that Im talking about...lol.
Its a few songs that have lyrics or whatever you want to call them...lol, but the beats are off the chain.
That is what all the crappy airplay is all about...Im just surprised people representing the gen before ours overlook the really talented artists of today. Well they notice them but they point out the T-pains (just using an example) & generalize from there.

[serene]

I'm 21 and even i can barely take the music coming out these days. Its nonsense after nonsense. Artist like common, and lupe don't get they pub they really deserve. I seldomly hear those compared to the garbage that the radio will play over and over again.

[JamieC]

Guess that's why I listen to jazz. It doesn't yell at me, call me out of my name and it respects me.

Originally Posted by JamieC

Guess that's why I listen to jazz. It doesn't yell at me, call me out of my name and it respects me.

mmmmm! now thats real talk!!

[JABOOM]

I listen to LOTS of music (if I don't my mind goes racing and I get bored fairly easy with the same garbage that goes on day to day) so music is my life outside of poetry and being a symbole of difance.

I love Hip Hop most of all because of Lyrics, a great artist or group can use his or her words to evoke so many emotions from just a few lines. The you combine that with a beat and you have this magic that if used right can move a crowd to do anything.

And there lies a problem...you can slap a great beat behind any garbage and get great air time, still not many people take the time to listen to the lyrics enough because they blast the song because of the beat.

That's why I listen to limited artist like The Roots, Mos Def, Common, Outkast, Lupe, Kanye, Nas (one of the best lyrist) they the time to write out their songs and think long and hard about the messages the put in them.

A lot of talk was over Nas's lastest album and the idea of naming it Ni@@er. Now here's a question for you all

HOW MANY HAVE HEARD THE ALBUM AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE MESSAGE HE PUT IN IT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_hQ4...ffee-n-news_3:

YouTube - Nas - ****** (The Slave And The Master)

[Moe17]

Originally Posted by JABOOM

I listen to LOTS of music (if I don't my mind goes racing and I get bored fairly easy with the same garbage that goes on day to day) so music is my life outside of poetry and being a symbole of difance.

I love Hip Hop most of all because of Lyrics, a great artist or group can use his or her words to evoke so many emotions from just a few lines. The you combine that with a beat and you have this magic that if used right can move a crowd to do anything.

And there lies a problem...you can slap a great beat behind any garbage and get great air time, still not many people take the time to listen to the lyrics enough because they blast the song because of the beat.

That's why I listen to limited artist like The Roots, Mos Def, Common, Outkast, Lupe, Kanye, Nas (one of the best lyrist) they the time to write out their songs and think long and hard about the messages the put in them.

A lot of talk was over Nas's lastest album and the idea of naming it Ni@@er. Now here's a question for you all

HOW MANY HAVE HEARD THE ALBUM AND THOUGHT ABOUT THE MESSAGE HE PUT IN IT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_hQ4...ffee-n-news_3:

YouTube - Nas - ****** (The Slave And The Master)

I heard that song before Jaboom, I loved everyone word in it. Especially how the beat collaborated with the lyrics...I played that about 10 times when I first heard it-I wanted to have every word of it embedded in my mind.

[Moe17]

Originally Posted by JamieC

Guess that's why I listen to jazz. It doesn't yell at me, call me out of my name and it respects me.

Uh-oh, here we go........