Premarital Sex

[ModernMarvel]

There is no such thing as "Premarital sex" in the Bible.

What a lot of people don't understand is that, according to the Bible, marriage = sexual intercourse. That is what creates the union between man and woman in the eyes of God, that's the actual marriage.

The wedding ceremony, meanwhile, served for the couple to announce to the world that they were husband and wife, but this society's gone and twisted the way things are so people are ignorant of these things.

Just to add, fornication is unlawful sex crimes against God (e.g.: homosexuality, anal sex, S&M bondage, and so on). That's another term that's been defined falsely in this world, when the Bible says different.

Peace.

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

There is no such thing as "Premarital sex" in the Bible.

What a lot of people don't understand is that, according to the Bible, marriage = sexual intercourse. That is what creates the union between man and woman in the eyes of God, that's the actual marriage.

The wedding ceremony, meanwhile, served for the couple to announce to the world that they were husband and wife, but this society's gone and twisted the way things are so people are ignorant of these things.

Peace.

dat's why i asked the ?
lotafoks believe stuff dat not be de correct stuff.
butyacan'ttellem nothin cuase dat what dey believe.
like i said where do GOD say no sex?

[ModernMarvel]

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

dat's why i asked the ?
lotafoks believe stuff dat not be de correct stuff.
butyacan'ttellem nothin cuase dat what dey believe.
like i said where do GOD say no sex?

There is nothing wrong with having sex, as long as it doesn't go into fornication (which is unlawful sex crimes against God). The Lord said to be fruitful and multiply, so such thoughts shouldn't even be there.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

There is nothing wrong with having sex, as long as it doesn't go into fornication (which is unlawful sex crimes against God). The Lord said to be fruitful and multiply, so such thoughts shouldn't even be there.

Agreed. The beauty act of sex is purely for reproduction and not fornication. I like how you eloquently stated your point.

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Agreed. The beauty act of sex is purely for reproduction and not fornication. I like how you eloquently stated your point.

animals in da field have sex for reproduction.

people do it fo fun....dat the difference between us and dem

[Living4Him]

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

There is no such thing as "Premarital sex" in the Bible.

If you mean that the actual modern-day phrase, "Premarital sex," is not in the Bible, you are correct. But the literal and figurative meanings to the Greek word "pornea," meaning fornication, do address the sense of having sex with someone that a person is NOT married to (in this case, meaning other than adultery; however, "pornea" also means to have an adulterous relationship as well).

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

What a lot of people don't understand is that, according to the Bible, marriage = sexual intercourse. That is what creates the union between man and woman in the eyes of God, that's the actual marriage.

Agreed. That's why it is a sin against God for people to just have sex because they feel like it. Madam X keeps saying sex is for procreation. I agree in part, but the "multiplying" was spoken by God specifically to Adam and Eve...husband and wife...heterosexual married couples ONLY.

As you say, sexual intercourse creates that bond, that oneness of marriage. SO, if people decided it's okay to have sex tonight with this person and then tomorrow night with another person, and so on, by your limited definition you are saying that they are ALL married to one another...right?

Biblically, for Jewish individuals only, as the laws of Moses and Israel did not pertain to Gentiles, the betrothal period lasted for months (sometimes for years) before the bridegroom came to get his bride to make her his wife. Moreover there are many procedural steps (some that include money in order to seal the contracted marriage, as well as a public announcement of the intent to marry) that are followed by the intended Bridegroom that lets the world know, before they EVER have sexual intercourse, that the Bridegroom and his chosen Bride are to be married...to join and become one by sexual intercourse. This was why there was such a big issue with Mary and Joseph. They publicly had declared their intentions to marry. People knew that these two were betrothed, and Joseph knew that he had not had sexual intercourse with Mary yet she got pregnant during the betrothal period!!! The people were irate, because an act of fornication had appeared to occur--sex outside of marriage.

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

The wedding ceremony, meanwhile, served for the couple to announce to the world that they were husband and wife, but this society's gone and twisted the way things are so people are ignorant of these things.

Whether having the ceremony before or after the sexual intercourse is twisted or not, are you saying that [b]every one [/B] who decides to have sex before the ceremony is married in the eyes of God? Because if you are, then a lot of us who have had sexual intercourse have NOT come before the "world" to announce who are our husbands and wives. Ooops!!! So, have those who have had sexual intercourse with many people before they settled on one man and one woman caused the other people that they have had sex with to commit adultery by refusing to acknowledge them as their spouses? Hummmmm.


[quote=ModernMarvel]Just to add, fornication is unlawful sex crimes against God (e.g.: homosexuality, anal sex, S&M bondage, and so on). That's another term that's been defined falsely in this world, when the Bible says different.[/OUOTE]

What's the "so on"? Doesn't your "so on" also include sex outside of marriage (because your limited definition of marriage begs the question: What happens when people have sexual intercourse (marriage) and then do not claim, publicly, their sex partners as their husbands or wives? Don't these unclaimed spouses become the countless numbers of people who are having pre-marital sex when they "move on" and have sex with new partners? Are they not "fornicating" when this situation happens?

Other kinds of biblical fornication include adultery, idolatry, bestiality, prostitution, and so forth? In fact, in biblical times, "pornea," or fornication, literally meant: prostitution, adultery and incest. Moreover, fornication meant any sexual union outside of a monogamous marriage. These sexual unions may include not only pre-marital sex, but also adultery, homosexual acts, incest, remarriage after un-biblical divorce, and sexual acts with animals, all of which are explicitly forbidden in the law as given through Moses (Leviticus 20:10-21). Christ expanded the prohibition against adultery to include even sexual lusting (Matthew 5:28).

Today, the definition of fornication has been expanded to include orgies, masturbation, oral sex, fetishes, anything to do with pornography, "improper" thoughts about the opposite sex, homosexuality, and just about any other thinkable sexual sin.

Peace,
Living4Him

[jamesfrmphilly]

Originally Posted by Living4Him

the definition of fornication has been expanded to include orgies, masturbation, oral sex, fetishes, anything to do with pornography, "improper" thoughts about the opposite sex, homosexuality, and just about any other thinkable sexual sin.

Peace,
Living4Him

good grief! now i really know why i'm not a Christian.
you guys have managed to outlaw all sexual fun. booooooring.
i understand why they are so mean spirited and up tight.

[bibadiva73]

I agree that it is a personal choice and between an individual and God. I've had friends in the church with the same questions and many of them have sexual hangups such as childhood sexual abuse, guilt about sex and sexuality stemming from their own parents' baggage,etc. It's a very complicated and deep subject and it's not that cut and dry. Only God can judge, but I believe that a rational human being knows when they are engaging in something that isn't right for them. Having sex with multiple people without a spiritual bond can't be a good thing in the long run. It is better when you are in a committed, long-term relationship that is based on more than making each other feel good. That kind of stuff fades and it takes alot of spiritual wisdom and maturity to understand that.

Originally Posted by jamesfrmphilly

good grief! now i really know why i'm not a Christian.
you guys have managed to outlaw all sexual fun. booooooring.
i understand why they are so mean spirited and up tight.

To say Christians are mean spirited and up tight is highly insulting. I know MANY who are not. I know SOME who are. And Christians do not have a monopoly on mean spiritedness and some of the comments on this board by non Christians can testify to that. Now if your beliefs differ that's fine, I ain't never been one out to change anyone's mind when it comes to Christianity. My belief is you have to find Him for yourself and I can't do it for you. But I don't think it's necessary to make such insulting comments about followers of Christ and His word when stating why it is you choose a different view.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by bibadiva73

I agree that it is a personal choice and between an individual and God.

Also, I would say upbringing makes a difference. More or less, if you come from a household where your parents were overly strict/ overly sacremonious or led a life a Sunday Christrian then, you will have some conflicting thoughts about Christrian religion.
Whereas, if you grow up in a household that isn't so constricting, this is best b/c it allows the individual to grow and know God through their own personal experience. And, I feel fortuanate to have grown up in this environment.

Originally Posted by RanRan

My belief is you have to find Him for yourself and I can't do it for you. But I don't think it's necessary to make such insulting comments about followers of Christ and His word when stating why it is you choose a different view.

I don't disagree with you at all. Everybody's journey to find Christ is different.

Originally Posted by ModernMarvel

There is no such thing as "Premarital sex" in the Bible.

What a lot of people don't understand is that, according to the Bible, marriage = sexual intercourse. That is what creates the union between man and woman in the eyes of God, that's the actual marriage.

The wedding ceremony, meanwhile, served for the couple to announce to the world that they were husband and wife, but this society's gone and twisted the way things are so people are ignorant of these things.

Just to add, fornication is unlawful sex crimes against God (e.g.: homosexuality, anal sex, S&M bondage, and so on). That's another term that's been defined falsely in this world, when the Bible says different.

Peace.

Your points are dead on. Many people fail to realize this people they get caught up in the sinful norms of today.