Old February 11th, 2005, 02:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old February 11th, 2005, 02:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think everyone has the right to choose who it is that they want to be with.

I am a parent and prior to the man I am with now didn't want to date men who had children, go figure! However when I met him all those preconcieved notions went out the window and he adds happpiness to the lives of me and my children.

Everyone has to figure out what they want at their own pace.





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We live in a time of "seemingly" an over-whelming amount of single parent families. It's becoming increasingly difficult for those singles without kids to find childless mates. I have a few relatives who are young, single, and childless. They are adamant in their refusal to get involved with someone who has a ready-made family.

What are your thoughts on this issue?
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Old February 11th, 2005, 03:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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My 34-year-old son got married for the first time in October to a young lady with an 8-year-old daughter. The little girl's Dad died when she was a baby. Her Mom has had a strong support system in place for years, with Mom's Dad and grandma in town and available to help out. My son was ready to have a family, and they hope to have more children (at least one more). So far they are doing great, and I'm happy to be Grandma to the little girl.

Not having Ex-husbands or baby-daddies around makes a difference. And it helps to have other family to give the new couple some space alone every once in a while.
Such voices as saraphen's are living evidences of at least two things: very subtley, she calls us to search the ways of those who came b4 us and quickly we'd find that this single parent family is a contradiction in terms and then we'd see where such cold individualism comes from. Not our traditions in this country and definitely not from our Ancient nor old Afrikan & other folk with land/nature based worldview cultures.

Without the voices of our elders, not b n heard, the young folk flounder pick'n and choosing for self from among alien thought and behaviors.

Its a long trip back, again referring to an elder's voice - tho in age I may be as old or older- is like b n within knowledgeable living OurStories! saraphen also subtley mentioned a word that needs examination: SANKOFA. There's even a movie by that name, directed by an Ethiopian brutha released, if i recall correctly, during late 1980s early 1990s.

Another hint in safaphen's messages: a goal for some of her family to join other family members in retirement in Ghana! I dare say that in addition to wanting to return to their source, its an ancestoral call to keep family intact when possible.

Now, and please do not read the following as a corrpution of thread; first bcause I see life as one connected, related whole. I consciouslly violate rules of debate; tho useful, tends to isolate topics in good old european analytical stylee. Carried on into social relations, its called divide and conquer.

The point re single sistas with children, in our traditions in America and definitely in Afrika - no such word as adoption existed. Nor was there any creature called "nuclear family." For example, in some settings the Grandparents had first choice in the socialization process from pre-natal, to earthday, etc. Its said too much friction lives btween bio parents and children and that Grandparents and new baby arrivals have more in common w/ea other. Also a child will have more than one mother and one father. All family members and age set members are mothers and fathers of a child. However when setbacks or disasters occur, traditionally all of the known family members close ranks to care for both the child and if needed the mother. There's much more included, but this may show a few differences between (I mean that literally) Afrikan cultures and Euro/American ones.

Also ea person did and imo should not have sole right to choose a mate.Why?

Simply bcause marriage is a ritual that organically links two families together.

I'm implying that parents/Grandparents of the intended to be married couple have input on if its to be, to whom, when, and bunch of other factors that inexperienced young people need to know, generally speaking. Of course in tradtional societies, yung folk at puberty undergo a "rites of passage" preparing them for adulthood. Even so, still remains input from others than 2 romantic filled young inexperienced folk: wombman and man*.

This topic also points to a weakness in this Euro/American educational philosophy and methods. It trains folk to fit economic needs; it does and can not educate folk to be human among humans.

Ask yourself; why is it so difficult to meet some one worthy to mate with as wife/husband? Why is it that so many sistas are pegged to fulfill their career goals first and then hope to marry, i.e., if the career hasn't become the all in all in their lives. So do many yung bruthas now.

For serious seekers of an opposite mate and desire to peep into one culture for suggestions on why, who, when and how - do a calm critical read of Jomo Kenyatta's FACTING MT. KENYA. Early in the book he points to the almost diametrically differences btween European Educational Thought, goals and methods and his culture's, the Kikuyu of East Afrika.

WE can't transplant entirely what is found there, but if u agree as I do that we are New Afrikans then how will be manifested to you with others.

*on differences between child boy man, see Dr. Naim Akbars: Visions For Black Men

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EDIT: key Sankofa into search engine; the director may still be selling video and maybe DVD copies. If not ck www.djeliculturalarts.com its here in Atlanta. I viewed it in a movie house here, and bought a video copy. For Regae fans, Muta Baruta is a co-star. The writer/director and his crew did a self distribution trip. Many Black folk missed it. But please buy a copy, and when saraphen mentions expericing feeling ancestors' presences while visiting a Captives holding Fortress, the opening scene in SANKOFA powerfully ignites remembrances. I've never physically been to Afrika, but do believe I experienced it near the Savannah River's dock in Savannah waiting to do a craft show there. In mid-July it had me shrivering as if I'd been forced to drink freezing water and to shower in it. That's onareal. Didn't scare me; just left me feeling sad and angry the rest of that day,,,, and probably even now...
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Old February 11th, 2005, 05:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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We live in a time of "seemingly" an over-whelming amount of single parent families. It's becoming increasingly difficult for those singles without kids to find childless mates. I have a few relatives who are young, single, and childless. They are adamant in their refusal to get involved with someone who has a ready-made family.

What are your thoughts on this issue?
Well, overall I'd have to state that each scenario varies. However, like your relatives, I do not desire to have a "ready-made" family as well. Guess I got "lucky." (lol!)
 
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I remarried in 2003 after 8 years healing myself from an abusive relationship. My hubby was also from a broken relationship from 10 yrs. We both had 2 girls on each side and talked about it for a couple years. There must be understanding that the children will be respectful and accepting of the relationship. Yes, I worried yes but when I finally met his girls they were very respectable and I love them like my own. So it really depends on the situation and your preferences.:)
 
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Old July 24th, 2005, 10:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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27 single no kids, do not want to date a woman with kids. I would do it but she would have to be special. I want my private time I dont want some other mans kids breakin in on my special nights, I dont want to raise someone elses kids if I can avoid it. I did that already and it was too difficult to deal with.
I FEEL YOU ON THAT ONE IM 2O AND SINGLE AND I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH A GUY WHO HAS AN ALREADY MADE FAMILY. I KNEW I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO FELT THIS WAY.
 
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Old July 24th, 2005, 10:33 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I had a wonderful relationship with a man who had an ex wife and a son..it didn't work out..but it wasnt because of the kid/ex wife. I guess it depends on the person's maturity factor..if they can deal with the "other" family..people do have pasts. I don't have kids,keeping my womb to myself until i am blessed with a husband.
 
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I don't think I'd want a ready made family at this point in my life. When I was younger, it would have been very possible. I am at the grandfather age now so if the person had children, they would have to be grown and living on their own. I have been single all of my life so that would be a great shock to my system adding more than 1 person to my lifestyle.
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I do not want a ready made family, but I would be able to deal with it if I felt it was worth it. It really depends on where I am in my life.
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I personally don't think it's worth it. I mean, a woman would have to be so bad I just couldn't resist. Since I don't think this woman exists, the likelihood of this taking place is slim to none.

I just don't see it. My first question is always, "why didn't it work out with daddy"?
 
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