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[sephari]

Originally Posted by daraj

Why all the hatred to whites or any natio?

I know why, what i dont understand is this...

Once slave trade was abolished why didnt the blacks who were taken as "slaves" go back and why not go back today to africa if the whiteman is so bad?
very good question indeed. many of us did go back and some still do today (although not enough)
They were offered to go back and many were taken back by the dutch and french
i do not believe that that is correct (i could be wrong but in my research i have never found that to be true)
Some blacks infact did go back to africa, while others went to the south american countries, so if you are complaining and feeling bitter just ask your great grandparents why they didnt leave?

And incase anyone wants to do research, simply look up london museum and find out exactly where those slaves were taken from, if you do your re-search you will be horrified to see than 80-90% of the blacks or so called "slaves" were sold by kings of other black tribes, as they conquered, like they do today with ethnic clensing they take them as slaves.
this is common knowledge, nobody is shocked, horrified or surprised at this information. and so-called "slaves"!? - clue #1

today its is very common to find slaves from central to north africa, why dont you complain about the arabs, even today they have slaves who are black, but no one complains

they had black slaves as far back as 5000bc right up to today!
this is a very ignorant statement. i know of no contemporary central african slaves, but again it is common knowledge that there are contemporary slaves in the north. and yes we americans do complain about that too. oh and who the hell didn't have slaves 2,000 years ago?!

The zulus sold xhosas to the dutch, in the 18th century, blacks selling blacks?
i don't believe this to be an accurate statementabout the xhosa but again i could be wrong. and once more everyone knows that blacks sold blacks.

half of the blacks that feel bitter have never been to africa and if they have they have only been to south africa, the "american" version of africa/
again this statement is only half correct

Why do you think they havnt been any where above south africa? because there is nothing but violance, corruption and really not much.
you sound like an ignorant american
Half of the african nations want to go to south africa for opportunities?

this is my question having been to central africa today with modern technology, malaria sprays, GPs`s, tents, boats (to get to remote regions) sophisticated lighting etc etc ....

still takes days and days....
clue #2
....no! the incas, mayas, astex even sold their own kind to the spanish, the same thing happened to the dutch, spanish and french.
clue #3. (i'm usually not the spelling police but i can't let this one go, it is spelled "Aztecs") and none of the natives here ever "sold" there neighbors to to the europeans. that is perhaps the most ignorant statement you've made so far.

Im not saying african americans were ill treated, i think they were even more ill treated in the states than in so called "racist" south africa

heres why....

1. the richest blacks up until now come from south africa, remember the rand was stronger than the dollar up until 20 years back

2. they had more cars than their soviet counter parts

3. out of 12 universities in the most racist era, 1 was built for whites, 11 for blacks,
i find this really hard to believe
4. they had free hospitals
this one too
5. more blacks came into south africa from other countries within africa, some 1 million per yer of which 20-25% were re-deported

6. the zulus were in favor for apartheid, they were working with the "so called" racist white goverment.
i think this may be true
7. 80,000 blacks were killed through black on black violance, compared to 3,000 by whites over a 40 year period, of which 90% were trained and crossed the border for soviet union purposes of bombing the country for the gold that lies within

there are 16 different black groups in the country and they cannot understand each others languages, they are as different as a mexican is to a african american, the only differeance is in the skin color.


Today, the blacks in south africa (the average guy on the street) if interview will cry and tell you there is no better south africa and that it is worse than before?


Whats my point?

People write articles, books, television shows for their own agendas.

Like mandela the world doesnt even know, including the black americans who were fighting and against the communists in the 70s, that he is a communist, speaks russian and studied in moscow, he actually blew black people up, and loads of them.


people life is very short, we must look at the big picture, no one is perfect and should descendants pay for the sins of their great great great great great great grand parents, they dont even know their great great great grandparents names.

Do you know yours?
of course not. do you? and your fixation on Azania is clue #4

My point is i hope i havent offended you, if you are black, i am not, i am white just incase you try to tell me i am hiding my identity
no you weren't hiding anything. if you were you weren't doing a very good job

learnt several afican laguages from black friends, was looked after by a black refugee from the our neighbouring country whos family was slaughted by Robert mugabes army for being matabele. Recently thousands of immigrants, black immigrants were attacked by south african blacks worse than in apartheid, some burnt with tyres around their necks others set alite while locked in their houses?

by their own color people

No outcry from any black nation, not even their black goverments in africa,
where have you been? a bubble?!

i have yet to even meet a zimbawean who says anything negative about mugabe who has murdered more than 100,000 of his own people

Is that not racist, because if it isnt then i dont know....
no it is not racist. it may be cowardly, fear, stupidity or any number of things but i fail to see how that is racist. and i have heard of enough complaints from zimbabweans to know that your full crap.

Because when it was rhodesia (now zimbabwe)
you europeans sure do love to reminisce about "When We were back in Rhodesia"
it was prosperous, their money stronger than the dollar and british sterling pound, they fed not only their own citizens but half of africa, today 20 years later after america decided to interfear with the rhodesian goverment to being a threat to world peace (can you belive that bull*** in the 70s) there is nothing but death, disease and poverty that no american, latino, black, white, asian or any race has seen, where people hunt rats and mice to feed themselves, they even eat feasies aka poop.
this is a whole other conversation i don't want to get into
not nice


In a way i can try sympathise with the african american because i do beleive the english ill treated blacks like never before in the USA why??

they murdered the boers (white farmers) and blacks in south africa in the thousands for victoria their queen, put woman and children in concentration camps (where do you think hitler learnt about concentration camps), tied them up, they were slaves as well and were fed glass, arsnic and put salt in their wounds, some 60,000 died, so us whites in south africa also know about slavery that was only 100 years (1901) back.... thats not long my great gran was there

!!amazing white slaves to the british!!

Yes and hundreds that ran into the thousands

many black and whites actually rose up together and fought the british, this is the beginning of the ANC mandelas party, apartheid was coined by the british, lord milner and kitchener, wouldnt allow blacks through the front door nor drive a car? can you belive that?????
no really?!!??!
they gave blacks more rights than whites as punishment for defeating the british fair and square the first time, but people only remmber what they want to.

this is the fact

some where every where in the world our ancestors, black, white, asian, african has been taken advantage of and been abused.

It might be hard to believe but its true, lifes to short to be bitter



P.S dont write anything vaulgar or rude about this, it was not intended to be racist in anyway and if you found it so, please forgive me in advance it really was just to expand on what you might have thought or given you some facts you might not have considered.
here is a bit of education because i'm in a good mood right now: whenever you european people say anything along the lines of what you just wrote in the underlined part above all black people hear is "i'm a racist but i don't want to admit it to myself "

God Bless

oh and no you are not welcome here

[afrocentric]

get him sep!

[VICVALLIN]

even though i don't find white women attractive, if i were to find one that i connected with i wouldn't see a problem dating her and i have no problem with others "dating out". race is a social construct created by man, not God. we're all God's children, i'm pretty sure he could care less what color we are.

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by VICVALLIN

even though i don't find white women attractive, if i were to find one that i connected with i wouldn't see a problem dating her and i have no problem with others "dating out". race is a social construct created by man, not God. we're all God's children, i'm pretty sure he could care less what color we are.

You can act like the "construct" of culture and nationalism doesn't exist if you want to but I gladly inform you that it does and is very much a live among people who understand the importance of such "social construct."

Irregardless of what you "think" you know about "God."

[VICVALLIN]

Originally Posted by The Dragon

You can act like the "construct" of culture and nationalism doesn't exist if you want to but I gladly inform you that it does and is very much a live among people who understand the importance of such "social construct."

Irregardless of what you "think" you know about "God."

please, explain this "importance" you speak of "God".

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by VICVALLIN

please, explain this "importance" you speak of "God".

I really don't have to explain sh*t to you but If you made a little more sense up above, than maybe I could at least try.

[golpe de estado]

Originally Posted by VICVALLIN

even though i don't find white women attractive, if i were to find one that i connected with i wouldn't see a problem dating her and i have no problem with others "dating out". race is a social construct created by man, not God. we're all God's children, i'm pretty sure he could care less what color we are.

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by daraj

Why all the hatred to whites or any nation?

Probably because they have done so much ? And, still do ?

Originally Posted by daraj

Why do you think they havnt been any where above south africa? because there is nothing but violance, corruption and really not much.

(1st) If you're speaking of why white settlement is heaviest in South Africa, then, I take issue with this statement.

The disease wall kept whites out of tropical Africa for a looong time. Thank God or blacks would have suffered the fate of the South American natives: dispossession, and replacement.

(2nd) A lot of African vs African violence was fostered by Europeans before and after the colonial conquest.

Originally Posted by daraj

black on black violance

Blacks much share responsibility for this and I don't deny it. But, let us not forget the use of one tribe by Europeans to conquer another and the bitter legacy that has left in people's mouths. Divide and Conquer was how they did it. Like telling the Rwandans that Tutsi were superior to Hutus and using them to rule Hutus ! Importing Asian Indians to act as colonial adminstrators. Placing mixed race people in a separate category from other blacks even though they put all shades down and so on.

[Meroe]

I wouldn't bother wasting bandwidth responding to this troll. This S.O.B. should be banned for his/her trolling. I believe this Daraj is east indian living in South Africa. The ONLY purpose for agents like this who go from one black forum to another is the create DISINFORMATION, CONFUSION and DIVISIVENESS among black people - break down any sort of collective Uhuru for the purpose of stalling black advancement.

Saboteurs like Daraj have their own agenda which is counterproductive to ANY black person in South Africa or anywhere else. What these agents of confusion deliberately fail to mention about Azania is there is only two types of people there - the indigenous Africans and the illegal white squatters. The squatters are the ones spending the money they didn't earn, living in houses they shouldn't own in a country where they shouldn't be. These whites still run South Africa. Africans there are no better off now then when whites were in "official" control. When talking about the lack of progress in South Africa, why is it you never hear agents like Daraj pointing fingers at whites who are clearly at fault? Because he/she identifies with whites and views Africans as less. All others peoples in SA, i.e., the coloreds and east indians were both used by whites as buffers between the African. Which I might add both coloreds and east indians had a higher standard of living over the indigenous African - and never complained about their roles until the black led government of South Africa took over. Whites and their co-conspirators have run a skillful campaign not to be held accountable for any of the crimes they committed on the grounds that punishing them would be "inhumane," or wrong on the auspice of forgiveness.

One would assume that the economy for blacks in South Africa would be booming. But since blacks do NOT own the mines or control the wealth, conditions are slow to change. Africa has only been largely independent for 50 years and South Africa was the last place to become independent. But either way nobody can compare european countries that have 400 years of TAKING money and resources from Africans and expect everything to be equal only 40-50 years after legal oppression and thievery ended. People don't bounce back like that.

Africa and the African diaspora need a return to the status quo ante. Since a hands OFF Africa policy can never be implemented through western or white peoples apparatus, Africans will have to institute it through force. Africa should copy the political model of Japan. Foreigners own NOTHING, are not able to immigrate and can do business ONLY on the terms that are favorable to the Japanese. The Japanese wouldn't have it any other way. The rules of engagement should be no different for Africans. The west complains of covert Japanese racism and the Japanese ignored it, and have maintained their sovereignty and independence.

In the immortal words of Dr John Henrik Clarke, "I want an Africa so dominated by Africaness that you can walk down the street in Africa without wondering if your skin is getting darker, or hair more curly."

There's nothing I wouldn't do to meet this coward Darja face to face in a dark back alley somewhere. And to tell you the truth I would fail to prevent myself from doing physical harm to this lying provocateur.