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[onelove917]

Originally Posted by bennew55

but why doesn;t one hear more about what these so called prominent folks are doing in the community besides bullshit charities or gimmicks like paying someone's bills for a year. how come you never hear about oprah or rob johnson(ok BET credit for that ... now you have a ton of dough... so now what?) or anybody doing anything substantive in the black community? after all these people are worth tens of millions up to 100's of millions of dollars of dollars yet i have not heard of one "substantive" thing that any of them have done to support their own. i am not talking about charities. i am talking about creating the kinds of institutions that would economically empower the community. for example banks.

Bill Cosby paid off for or bought a black college somewhere, way back when.

Cosby has also put a number of black children through college.


But, I agree with you that some guys/gals could do so much more.

As a billionaire, Ophrah could set up an holding company (or whatever you call it), use it to buy a significant stake in certain major companies (not necessarily the biggest) and demand that they hire 20% more blacks.

She & others could draw more blacks into certain support functions of the entertainment industry: electronics, graphic design, make-up artist, etc.

Maybe some one should tell her and those like her ???

[onelove917]

Originally Posted by matrixone05

This would be another thread discussion. One that we had before and DBlack wound up deleting. I will tell you that I respectfully disagree with you and others who believe this. Funny, how some (not all) black people are the only ones, to question another's degree of "blackness". Ask a white person whether or not they consider this "group" to be black or not.

Bill Cosby once said on Tony Brown's journal (I believe & years ago) that the mixed children were our children. Whites did not want the part black children; East Asians did not want any part black children (view treatment of bi-racials left behind in Asia); so if "we" did not take care of the children; "no one" would.

Blackness has not been constructed the way whiteness has been constructed: on absolute white purity (Anglo/German) or even on being basically white physically if not pure (Spaniard). Blackness has embraced even mixed people who obviously has minute African input as being "black."

Should we reject this course or affirm it ? In my family, my yellow skinned brown haired birth mother, my white skinned frizzy haired cousin, my dark brown other cousin, his night black female friend & my medium brown skinned self, are all "black." So, I'm shocked that any in here would reject this.

I have thought that "we" should develop an ethnic term for our people because the color term, even if used ethnically, has a tendency to alienate the lighter amongst us.

I mean Hispanics, Arabs, Filipinos, families all have a general common appearance amongst many of its members but are not rigidly locked in as the whites are. I think we should consider that.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by onelove917

Bill Cosby once said on Tony Brown's journal (I believe & years ago) that the mixed children were our children. Whites did not want the part black children; East Asians did not want any part black children (view treatment of bi-racials left behind in Asia); so if "we" did not take care of the children; "no one" would.

Blackness has not been constructed the way whiteness has been constructed: on absolute white purity (Anglo/German) or even on being basically white physically if not pure (Spaniard). Blackness has embraced even mixed people who obviously has minute African input as being "black."

Should we reject this course or affirm it ? In my family, my yellow skinned brown haired birth mother, my white skinned frizzy haired cousin, my dark brown other cousin, his night black female friend & my medium brown skinned self, are all "black." So, I'm shocked that any in here would reject this.

Valid Point. Alot of our people hate to think about the history of slavery/colonization and how it has effected us as a people. For this reason, many of our people have different types of: complexions(hues), hair textures(nappy-straight), eye colors, body types, and facial features. Many of us are already mixed by default and could have a President Jefferson situation in the midst.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by onelove917

What I have long hated are guys who walk around with super black militantly on their chests (calling other people "Uncle Toms" & all that) and then marry anything white a year later. Hey, you can marry whoever you want to but I have long felt there is something wrong when before the I/R you portrayed yourself as mister super black pride.

True. Their behavior is not only contradictary but hyprocritical as well.

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by onelove917

But, blackness is not constructed the same way whiteness is constructed -- on purity, supremacy, antagonism.

History is an indicator of this fact especially after experiments like in Tuskegee. Young people need to learn their hisory.

[daraj]

Why all the hatred to whites or any natio?

I know why, what i dont understand is this...

Once slave trade was abolished why didnt the blacks who were taken as "slaves" go back and why not go back today to africa if the whiteman is so bad?

They were offered to go back and many were taken back by the dutch and french

Some blacks infact did go back to africa, while others went to the south american countries, so if you are complaining and feeling bitter just ask your great grandparents why they didnt leave?

And incase anyone wants to do research, simply look up london museum and find out exactly where those slaves were taken from, if you do your re-search you will be horrified to see than 80-90% of the blacks or so called "slaves" were sold by kings of other black tribes, as they conquered, like they do today with ethnic clensing they take them as slaves.


today its is very common to find slaves from central to north africa, why dont you complain about the arabs, even today they have slaves who are black, but no one complains

they had black slaves as far back as 5000bc right up to today!

The zulus sold xhosas to the dutch, in the 18th century, blacks selling blacks?


half of the blacks that feel bitter have never been to africa and if they have they have only been to south africa, the "american" version of africa/

Why do you think they havnt been any where above south africa? because there is nothing but violance, corruption and really not much.

Half of the african nations want to go to south africa for opportunities?

this is my question having been to central africa today with modern technology, malaria sprays, GPs`s, tents, boats (to get to remote regions) sophisticated lighting etc etc ....

still takes days and days....

Use your common logic brain, do you really think that white men actually tracked into africa to catch africans? common we know today that the african body is an awesome machine, when you see them row their dougouts (trees hollowed out to float on water) boats on the african river, i marvel at their body structure, half dont know what a gym is, yet they look like mini versions of arnold schwartznegger..

getting back to the story, they would have out run, outmanouvered and destroyed some foolish white dudes trying to walk into swamp invested malaria areas.

Have you ever seen a dusk where you literally see mosquitos lifting of the water like a swarm of bees, i have had malaria after taking quinine, today there is no drug for it, would a captain (sailing for a corporation) risk half of his strongest men (you would have to bee strong to walk for days and days in temparatures above 100 degrees to capture africans) for slaves when he still needed to get 7-8000 miles across the ocean to get paid???

Just think for two minutes?

no! the incas, mayas, astex even sold their own kind to the spanish, the same thing happened to the dutch, spanish and french.

Im not saying african americans were ill treated, i think they were even more ill treated in the states than in so called "racist" south africa

heres why....

1. the richest blacks up until now come from south africa, remember the rand was stronger than the dollar up until 20 years back

2. they had more cars than their soviet counter parts

3. out of 12 universities in the most racist era, 1 was built for whites, 11 for blacks,

4. they had free hospitals

5. more blacks came into south africa from other countries within africa, some 1 million per yer of which 20-25% were re-deported

6. the zulus were in favor for apartheid, they were working with the "so called" racist white goverment.

7. 80,000 blacks were killed through black on black violance, compared to 3,000 by whites over a 40 year period, of which 90% were trained and crossed the border for soviet union purposes of bombing the country for the gold that lies within

there are 16 different black groups in the country and they cannot understand each others languages, they are as different as a mexican is to a african american, the only differeance is in the skin color.


Today, the blacks in south africa (the average guy on the street) if interview will cry and tell you there is no better south africa and that it is worse than before?


Whats my point?

People write articles, books, television shows for their own agendas.

Like mandela the world doesnt even know, including the black americans who were fighting and against the communists in the 70s, that he is a communist, speaks russian and studied in moscow, he actually blew black people up, and loads of them.


people life is very short, we must look at the big picture, no one is perfect and should descendants pay for the sins of their great great great great great great grand parents, they dont even know their great great great grandparents names.

Do you know yours?


My point is i hope i havent offended you, if you are black, i am not, i am white just incase you try to tell me i am hiding my identity

learnt several afican laguages from black friends, was looked after by a black refugee from the our neighbouring country whos family was slaughted by Robert mugabes army for being matabele.

Recently thousands of immigrants, black immigrants were attacked by south african blacks worse than in apartheid, some burnt with tyres around their necks others set alite while locked in their houses?

by their own color people

No outcry from any black nation, not even their black goverments in africa, i have yet to even meet a zimbawean who says anything negative about mugabe who has murdered more than 100,000 of his own people

Is that not racist, because if it isnt then i dont know....


Because when it was rhodesia (now zimbabwe) it was prosperous, their money stronger than the dollar and british sterling pound, they fed not only their own citizens but half of africa, today 20 years later after america decided to interfear with the rhodesian goverment to being a threat to world peace (can you belive that bull*** in the 70s) there is nothing but death, disease and poverty that no american, latino, black, white, asian or any race has seen, where people hunt rats and mice to feed themselves, they even eat feasies aka poop.

not nice


In a way i can try sympathise with the african american because i do beleive the english ill treated blacks like never before in the USA why??

they murdered the boers (white farmers) and blacks in south africa in the thousands for victoria their queen, put woman and children in concentration camps (where do you think hitler learnt about concentration camps), tied them up, they were slaves as well and were fed glass, arsnic and put salt in their wounds, some 60,000 died, so us whites in south africa also know about slavery that was only 100 years (1901) back.... thats not long my great gran was there

!!amazing white slaves to the british!!

Yes and hundreds that ran into the thousands

many black and whites actually rose up together and fought the british, this is the beginning of the ANC mandelas party, apartheid was coined by the british, lord milner and kitchener, wouldnt allow blacks through the front door nor drive a car? can you belive that?????

they gave blacks more rights than whites as punishment for defeating the british fair and square the first time, but people only remmber what they want to.

this is the fact

some where every where in the world our ancestors, black, white, asian, african has been taken advantage of and been abused.

It might be hard to believe but its true, lifes to short to be bitter



P.S dont write anything vaulgar or rude about this, it was not intended to be racist in anyway and if you found it so, please forgive me in advance it really was just to expand on what you might have thought or given you some facts you might not have considered.


God Bless

[daraj]

Why all the hatred to whites or any natio?

I know why, what i dont understand is this...

Once slave trade was abolished why didnt the blacks who were taken as "slaves" go back and why not go back today to africa if the whiteman is so bad?

They were offered to go back and many were taken back by the dutch and french

Some blacks infact did go back to africa, while others went to the south american countries, so if you are complaining and feeling bitter just ask your great grandparents why they didnt leave?

And incase anyone wants to do research, simply look up london museum and find out exactly where those slaves were taken from, if you do your re-search you will be horrified to see than 80-90% of the blacks or so called "slaves" were sold by kings of other black tribes, as they conquered, like they do today with ethnic clensing they take them as slaves.


today its is very common to find slaves from central to north africa, why dont you complain about the arabs, even today they have slaves who are black, but no one complains

they had black slaves as far back as 5000bc right up to today!

The zulus sold xhosas to the dutch, in the 18th century, blacks selling blacks?


half of the blacks that feel bitter have never been to africa and if they have they have only been to south africa, the "american" version of africa/

Why do you think they havnt been any where above south africa? because there is nothing but violance, corruption and really not much.

Half of the african nations want to go to south africa for opportunities?

this is my question having been to central africa today with modern technology, malaria sprays, GPs`s, tents, boats (to get to remote regions) sophisticated lighting etc etc ....

still takes days and days....

Use your common logic brain, do you really think that white men actually tracked into africa to catch africans? common we know today that the african body is an awesome machine, when you see them row their dougouts (trees hollowed out to float on water) boats on the african river, i marvel at their body structure, half dont know what a gym is, yet they look like mini versions of arnold schwartznegger..

getting back to the story, they would have out run, outmanouvered and destroyed some foolish white dudes trying to walk into swamp invested malaria areas.

Have you ever seen a dusk where you literally see mosquitos lifting of the water like a swarm of bees, i have had malaria after taking quinine, today there is no drug for it, would a captain (sailing for a corporation) risk half of his strongest men (you would have to bee strong to walk for days and days in temparatures above 100 degrees to capture africans) for slaves when he still needed to get 7-8000 miles across the ocean to get paid???

Just think for two minutes?

no! the incas, mayas, astex even sold their own kind to the spanish, the same thing happened to the dutch, spanish and french.

Im not saying african americans were ill treated, i think they were even more ill treated in the states than in so called "racist" south africa

heres why....

1. the richest blacks up until now come from south africa, remember the rand was stronger than the dollar up until 20 years back

2. they had more cars than their soviet counter parts

3. out of 12 universities in the most racist era, 1 was built for whites, 11 for blacks,

4. they had free hospitals

5. more blacks came into south africa from other countries within africa, some 1 million per yer of which 20-25% were re-deported

6. the zulus were in favor for apartheid, they were working with the "so called" racist white goverment.

7. 80,000 blacks were killed through black on black violance, compared to 3,000 by whites over a 40 year period, of which 90% were trained and crossed the border for soviet union purposes of bombing the country for the gold that lies within

there are 16 different black groups in the country and they cannot understand each others languages, they are as different as a mexican is to a african american, the only differeance is in the skin color.


Today, the blacks in south africa (the average guy on the street) if interview will cry and tell you there is no better south africa and that it is worse than before?


Whats my point?

People write articles, books, television shows for their own agendas.

Like mandela the world doesnt even know, including the black americans who were fighting and against the communists in the 70s, that he is a communist, speaks russian and studied in moscow, he actually blew black people up, and loads of them.


people life is very short, we must look at the big picture, no one is perfect and should descendants pay for the sins of their great great great great great great grand parents, they dont even know their great great great grandparents names.

Do you know yours?


My point is i hope i havent offended you, if you are black, i am not, i am white just incase you try to tell me i am hiding my identity

learnt several afican laguages from black friends, was looked after by a black refugee from the our neighbouring country whos family was slaughted by Robert mugabes army for being matabele.

Recently thousands of immigrants, black immigrants were attacked by south african blacks worse than in apartheid, some burnt with tyres around their necks others set alite while locked in their houses?

by their own color people

No outcry from any black nation, not even their black goverments in africa, i have yet to even meet a zimbawean who says anything negative about mugabe who has murdered more than 100,000 of his own people

Is that not racist, because if it isnt then i dont know....


Because when it was rhodesia (now zimbabwe) it was prosperous, their money stronger than the dollar and british sterling pound, they fed not only their own citizens but half of africa, today 20 years later after america decided to interfear with the rhodesian goverment to being a threat to world peace (can you belive that bull*** in the 70s) there is nothing but death, disease and poverty that no american, latino, black, white, asian or any race has seen, where people hunt rats and mice to feed themselves, they even eat feasies aka poop.

not nice


In a way i can try sympathise with the african american because i do beleive the english ill treated blacks like never before in the USA why??

they murdered the boers (white farmers) and blacks in south africa in the thousands for victoria their queen, put woman and children in concentration camps (where do you think hitler learnt about concentration camps), tied them up, they were slaves as well and were fed glass, arsnic and put salt in their wounds, some 60,000 died, so us whites in south africa also know about slavery that was only 100 years (1901) back.... thats not long my great gran was there

!!amazing white slaves to the british!!

Yes and hundreds that ran into the thousands

many black and whites actually rose up together and fought the british, this is the beginning of the ANC mandelas party, apartheid was coined by the british, lord milner and kitchener, wouldnt allow blacks through the front door nor drive a car? can you belive that?????

they gave blacks more rights than whites as punishment for defeating the british fair and square the first time, but people only remmber what they want to.

this is the fact

some where every where in the world our ancestors, black, white, asian, african has been taken advantage of and been abused.

It might be hard to believe but its true, lifes to short to be bitter



P.S dont write anything vaulgar or rude about this, it was not intended to be racist in anyway and if you found it so, please forgive me in advance it really was just to expand on what you might have thought or given you some facts you might not have considered.


God Bless

[afrocentric]

P.S dont write anything vaulgar or rude about this, it was not intended to be racist in anyway and if you found it so, please forgive me in advance it really was just to expand on what you might have thought or given you some facts you might not have considered.

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

(nothing amazes me anymore)

Uh-huh. We got that.....roflol!

[Voluptuous Miss]

Originally Posted by afrocentric

my sediments exactly...