Changing face of American race relations

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

Please explain why we have Old And New Testaments?

Seek and Ye shall find. This is something you need to determine for yourself and so you may what to consider seminary school before you die.

[SistaJosie79]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

Could you please show me exactly where in the Bible it says that interracial relationships are a sin against God?

The specific Bible passage you quote is only partial:

In the Bible 2 Corinthians 6:14 says:

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" (KJV)

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (NIV)

"Do not be teamed with those who do not love the Lord, for what do the people of God have in common with the people of sin? How can light live with darkness?" (LB)

Heed the words of *The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)* and you will *see* that Black is what is **righteous**...and white is what is **wicked** and **sinful**....

Originally Posted by ScoolofSoul

In your philosophy, Sister Josie, if whites and Blacks are inherently unequal due to biological differences in the physical makeup, then where are whites in conjunction with you? Above you, or beneath you? Do you consider whites to be human beings?

**Beneath**, obviously...and, no, those devils are *Not* "human*....nor will they *ever* be....Their actions *should* be *enough* to convince *you* of same, too!

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

I'd also like to point out that slave masters once justified the slavery of African people and Indigenous American people on the basis of Biblical interpretation. Did that make it acceptable?

The white devils misinterpretation of the *Holy Scriptures* has *always* been prevalent throughout the history of the world..........

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

Heed the words of *The Honorable Elijah Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)* and you will *see* that Black is what is **righteous**...and white is what is **wicked** and **sinful**....

I asked you to show me which passage of the Bible contained what you claimed.

You replied by advocating that I heed the words of a 20th Century religious figure.

OK. I guess you can't actually answer the question, so I'll just let it go.

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

**Beneath**, obviously...and, no, those devils are *Not* "human*....nor will they *ever* be....Their actions *should* be *enough* to convince *you* of same, too!

OK, so, you consider whites to not only be beneath you, but not even human, and incapable of becoming human.

How does that make you any different from those who claim that Blacks are also beneath them and not human?

I hope for your sake that you don't receive a paycheck from a white person or a predominantly white business or agency, because that would make you a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

The white devils misinterpretation of the *Holy Scriptures* has *always* been prevalent throughout the history of the world..........

Indeed it has, but where's the correct interpretation? Can you show me?

[emotionaldreams]

*multiracial family visiting a museum 50 years in the future*.. daughter: Daddy? who is that dark statue of? .. father: Oh that is what they used to call a "black" person" they're extinct now. actually, i think it was a myth. lets move on its not important....





SMH..........

[Chinky]

Originally Posted by Meroe

I understand what race, power and survival means in this world. Others do not. While some don't care.
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I find it amusing interracial subjects always appear to be an obsessive topic of discussion for some black people. Why is that? I can't help but to question these motives. Could reason be those who travel down this road look for validation? Or could it be something else? Let's take a look.

I often hear black men or black women of the 'colorblind' society who choose to go interracial say 'I can't find a good black a man or black woman who is compatible to my personality'. Or 'black men or black women don't vibe with me very well'. This is nonsense. This is a scripted line I hear from disgruntled people who make excuses for their short-comings in the dating scene - and their self-hatred and insecurities often exacerbates this problem. Honestly, those who repeat this fallacy should take a hard look at themselves rather than critiquing personal or social characteristics of black men and women.

Allow me to be candid here: SOME blacks who choose to go interracial do so not because they found 'love' - or fail to find a desirable mate of the same race who they are compatible with - but do so simply because they have hang-ups about race, class, color and hair.

Speak on it!

[sonflour_2001]

curiosity,
love,
white washed standards of beauty,
myths of feminine/masculine differences in other races
dating enviroment,
increasingly multicultural society,
lust,
social status,
goldigging,
at random....


The funny thing is that most of these reasons with the exception of those in bold could apply to why people date ANYBODY...


Sonflour

[cardiyac]

Originally Posted by Da Flash

Actually I don't "feel you" on this issue, I agree that everyone should have the right to date whoever they want, but on the same note I don't have to agree with it! To me(and this may only be an observation of my life experiences) we have plenty of so-called Black folks who have already sold-out to the establishment!! By selling out I mean accepting all the lies, double standards, and their version of his-story. Most of the time that I have know black/white couples, one of them has sacrificed their culture to "fit-in" with the other. Now which culture is usually tossed in the garbage you might add(Hell most of us, including me, don't even know our culture other than what YT has told us about it
), I'll give 2 guesses but you'll only need one!! So to me, all of the BS that our ancestor had to tolerate probably had little to do with individuals who feel some sort of shame about dating a fine *** sista when Becky is willing to change you into the type of (man?) she can take home to Mr. and Mrs. Yt! Somehow that's not exactly what I believe those who suffered for our advancement had in mind!! To me I have alot more "cultural responsibility" than that!! I consider myself a hard working, intelligent, and honorable Black man. Why would I give all of that to ANYONE other than a strong Black woman??

I do agree to what you said about the "light skinned sista/dark skinned brotha offspring though, my wife and I are an example, she's very light and I have a chocolate complexion. Wouldn't you know it that both of my biological children are brown to dark chocolate colored!!

As far as playing the "Devil's advocate" you know that you don't have to take that job soooo literally don't you??

But I could be wrong!

LOL....I can appreciate how you but "devil's advocate" in quotations...like, "literally". I don't know dawg, most of the time I see or have known of a brotha, nigga, black dude,(whateva you choose to call us--I still can't get past using "niggaz") dating a white woman, he was still his regular nigga-self because that's what they like about us...especially in the days of over-nigga-saturation on television. I'm not saying that there aren't sell-out niggaz and sell-out sistaz as well. I define them as STRICTLY deciding to date someone who is "other". Usually those are the ones who change themselves to fit in with the "others". But I personally could give a rat's *** who dates whom and I don't see it as a slap in the face towards our ancestors. Me personally, I prefer my sistas. If my brother wants to date/marry/bear children with a white girl then good for him as long as he's happy....that's more important than worrying about who's going to judge you because of who you're with.

[Da Flash]

Originally Posted by cardiyac

LOL....I can appreciate how you but "devil's advocate" in quotations...like, "literally". I don't know dawg, most of the time I see or have known of a brotha, nigga, black dude,(whateva you choose to call us--I still can't get past using "niggaz") dating a white woman, he was still his regular nigga-self because that's what they like about us...especially in the days of over-nigga-saturation on television. I'm not saying that there aren't sell-out niggaz and sell-out sistaz as well. I define them as STRICTLY deciding to date someone who is "other". Usually those are the ones who change themselves to fit in with the "others". But I personally could give a rat's *** who dates whom and I don't see it as a slap in the face towards our ancestors. Me personally, I prefer my sistas. If my brother wants to date/marry/bear children with a white girl then good for him as long as he's happy....that's more important than worrying about who's going to judge you because of who you're with.

I can respect your view on IR dating, for as I stated earlier I don't believe it's my job to tell our people who they should or shouldn't date. I just don't wanna hear the weak and/or lame excuses used by most of those who partake. You know the excuses/reason that involve pointing out general flaws about our people instead of actually considering the flaws in themselves! If a brotha wants to date Becky and Becky is willing to let him be a real Black man, other than personal choice, I have no problem with it. As far as what "I believe" the ancestors fought for, I just can't see it being forgetting who we are and where we've come from or who did what against us...........sadly I see quite a few of us that haven't a clue so they follow everything that Yt tells them!!!!

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by emotionaldreams

*multiracial family visiting a museum 50 years in the future*.. daughter: Daddy? who is that dark statue of? .. father: Oh that is what they used to call a "black" person" they're extinct now. actually, i think it was a myth. lets move on its not important....





SMH..........

This spoke volumes. Thank you.

[ColdSoul]

Oh my we have such open racism by some people, and quoting the crazy leader of the Nation of Islam is just something!, damn white people are still brain killing some black people.

Sisterjoise, white is just a genetic skin difference, they are human we are human, in fact there is only one race, the human race and we all come from Adam, it seems to me that you are a hypocrite accusing the white of what you clearly suffer from.
And please don’t use the bible to support your argument, its confused old book, its already done so much harm in the world and to black people.

I agree with Mero, skin colour is an issue for lot of people, black and ‘dark’ is made ugly and so widely accepted that we get black girls bleaching themselves so they can be attractive.
Men define what is attractive and men and some females prefer ‘the light skinned’ girl if not all together ‘white’. This inferior problem we have need to be dealt with and the blame shouldn’t always be white. ‘the darker the berry the sweeter the taste’

I have nothing against IR, but I believe that people should check themselves before they embark upon one. Think of the confusion the children will suffer, think of family/cultural heritage, especially the African culture. I am proud east African and love my culture I would never change or fuse it with another.
I also believe love is a social act, you fall in love with people you ‘know’ soul and body, what is the point falling for someone you know only half?

In Britain we have bigger racial issues then US, although it is said Britain is more comfortable with IR marriages/ families then the US. Black/African are a minority and usually close knitted communities, but since UK it is so small we are more integrated with other communities, unlike America where you can find Schools and cities populated majority blacks. Identity crisis and IR are at the heart of it most times, single mother house holds and lower economic status followed by poor education, there is no stability for majority of children that are born from IR.

I live in little village in Wales and the black community is small, but our black community is mixed race, it un-usual to find a pure black family, and the worst thing is when immigrants move here they follow the trend and get with someone white/Asian and have some mixed race kids.
Its sad its like the community wants to run away from it self.


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