Changing face of American race relations

[YoungSoulSearcher]

I think interracial dating is a wonderful thing. It shows just how far the races have come. As a strong black woman I'd like a strong Black man beside me as my life partner but I have dated outside of my race before and I'd have no problem doing it again if thats the person my heart falls for. Its all about personal preference I say

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by Samoon

Interesting...and what are your thoughts on this? Thanks.

Well, the fact that it's gained in acceptance amongst the younger American generation I look upon as a positive thing. I don't equate greater acceptance of interracial relations to the automatic elimination of a people, though. That's just alarmist thinking, and it buys into the concept of racial supremacy, which I reject. White supremacists talk about the exact same thing when they see articles like this - the elimination of their race, the "sullying" of it, the introduction of "impure" or "lesser" DNA to their racial stock, etc.

If, as Steven Biko said, Black consciousness is not a matter of pigmentation but a reflection of a mental attitude, then the specifics of DNA are secondary in the pursuit of Black achievement and Black power. Most of the offspring of Black/White relationships identify as Black as it is. If that Blackness is cultivated, the likelihood that it would be necessarily diluted in future generations decreases. How often do you see light-skinned/dark-skinned Black couples? Quite often. And most of the time, the offspring from those couples tend to be darker, not lighter, than the light-skinned parent. So I really wouldn't worry too much about a decrease in the number of Blacks due to interracial dating.

[Samoon]

Originally Posted by SchoolofSoul

Well, the fact that it's gained in acceptance amongst the younger American generation I look upon as a positive thing. I don't equate greater acceptance of interracial relations to the automatic elimination of a people, though. That's just alarmist thinking, and it buys into the concept of racial supremacy, which I reject. White supremacists talk about the exact same thing when they see articles like this - the elimination of their race, the "sullying" of it, the introduction of "impure" or "lesser" DNA to their racial stock, etc.

If, as Steven Biko said, Black consciousness is not a matter of pigmentation but a reflection of a mental attitude, then the specifics of DNA are secondary in the pursuit of Black achievement and Black power. Most of the offspring of Black/White relationships identify as Black as it is. If that Blackness is cultivated, the likelihood that it would be necessarily diluted in future generations decreases. How often do you see light-skinned/dark-skinned Black couples? Quite often. And most of the time, the offspring from those couples tend to be darker, not lighter, than the light-skinned parent. So I really wouldn't worry too much about a decrease in the number of Blacks due to interracial dating.

Thanks for the clarity on your "position".

[cardiyac]

Originally Posted by Da Flash

I think that when it's all said and done that alot of what the ancestors fought, lived, tried to teach, were violated, and died for will be in vain!

Other than that, I guess to each his/her own

I disagree. In my opinion our ancestors fought for the RIGHT to choose whomever they wanted to be with and do whatever they wanted to do. I have people in my family(mama included) who don't think it's right for brothers to be with white girls and maybe vice-versa. I always play devils advocate on these discussions with my peeps because I believe everyone is entitled to do as they please in life and who am I to be offended because a fine *** sista is with a white dude(okay, selfishly I might feel like he took her from me, but we might not've been compatible anyhow...just because we're both black doesn't mean shyt about whether we'll work out as a couple). Shyt, it's hard enough to find someone that you can get along with any way so if that happens to be someone of another race/culture then so be it.

But getting back on this particular point, our ancestors weren't allowed the right to CHOOSE how they wanted to live their lives. What fountain to drink from, what bathroom to use, what counters to sit at and especially not to entertain the thought that they could walk side-by-side with a white person(it is noted that alot of our people mixed with Indians because they were seen as just as bad as niggers at that time). I really think that in today's time, you can't just single out an individual for something that you don't necessary like about the negative aspects of their people. Shyt, there's alot of things that I don't like about my own people but i'm not gonna say i'm not dating Keisha because she's from the hood and people from the hood are known to be involved in this or that. Feel me?

[Da Flash]

Originally Posted by cardiyac

I disagree. In my opinion our ancestors fought for the RIGHT to choose whomever they wanted to be with and do whatever they wanted to do. I have people in my family(mama included) who don't think it's right for brothers to be with white girls and maybe vice-versa. I always play devils advocate on these discussions with my peeps because I believe everyone is entitled to do as they please in life and who am I to be offended because a fine *** sista is with a white dude(okay, selfishly I might feel like he took her from me, but we might not've been compatible anyhow...just because we're both black doesn't mean shyt about whether we'll work out as a couple). Shyt, it's hard enough to find someone that you can get along with any way so if that happens to be someone of another race/culture then so be it.

But getting back on this particular point, our ancestors weren't allowed the right to CHOOSE how they wanted to live their lives. What fountain to drink from, what bathroom to use, what counters to sit at and especially not to entertain the thought that they could walk side-by-side with a white person(it is noted that alot of our people mixed with Indians because they were seen as just as bad as niggers at that time). I really think that in today's time, you can't just single out an individual for something that you don't necessary like about the negative aspects of their people. Shyt, there's alot of things that I don't like about my own people but i'm not gonna say i'm not dating Keisha because she's from the hood and people from the hood are known to be involved in this or that. Feel me?

Actually I don't "feel you" on this issue, I agree that everyone should have the right to date whoever they want, but on the same note I don't have to agree with it! To me(and this may only be an observation of my life experiences) we have plenty of so-called Black folks who have already sold-out to the establishment!! By selling out I mean accepting all the lies, double standards, and their version of his-story. Most of the time that I have know black/white couples, one of them has sacrificed their culture to "fit-in" with the other. Now which culture is usually tossed in the garbage you might add(Hell most of us, including me, don't even know our culture other than what YT has told us about it
), I'll give 2 guesses but you'll only need one!! So to me, all of the BS that our ancestor had to tolerate probably had little to do with individuals who feel some sort of shame about dating a fine *** sista when Becky is willing to change you into the type of (man?) she can take home to Mr. and Mrs. Yt! Somehow that's not exactly what I believe those who suffered for our advancement had in mind!! To me I have alot more "cultural responsibility" than that!! I consider myself a hard working, intelligent, and honorable Black man. Why would I give all of that to ANYONE other than a strong Black woman??

I do agree to what you said about the "light skinned sista/dark skinned brotha offspring though, my wife and I are an example, she's very light and I have a chocolate complexion. Wouldn't you know it that both of my biological children are brown to dark chocolate colored!!

As far as playing the "Devil's advocate" you know that you don't have to take that job soooo literally don't you??

But I could be wrong!

[Meroe]

I understand what race, power and survival means in this world. Others do not. While some don't care.
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I find it amusing interracial subjects always appear to be an obsessive topic of discussion for some black people. Why is that? I can't help but to question these motives. Could reason be those who travel down this road look for validation? Or could it be something else? Let's take a look.

I often hear black men or black women of the 'colorblind' society who choose to go interracial say 'I can't find a good black a man or black woman who is compatible to my personality'. Or 'black men or black women don't vibe with me very well'. This is nonsense. This is a scripted line I hear from disgruntled people who make excuses for their short-comings in the dating scene - and their self-hatred and insecurities often exacerbates this problem. Honestly, those who repeat this fallacy should take a hard look at themselves rather than critiquing personal or social characteristics of black men and women.

Allow me to be candid here: SOME blacks who choose to go interracial do so not because they found 'love' - or fail to find a desirable mate of the same race who they are compatible with - but do so simply because they have hang-ups about race, class, color and hair. A percentage of black males (speaking from a black male perspective) are destroyed to the point where the "love" and validation of white females or non-black females makes them feel as a man, no matter what their education level, income or occupation may be. However, logically, since males tend to marry females who are below them economically, you should find the weakest connection of class rate of interracial mating at the lowest class level, because a male at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder cannot find a woman beneath him. Apparently, though, no matter how low a black man sits on the economic totem pole, he can find a white woman even mentally lower or weaker to occupy his time to smooth his ego.

Again, it's my observations that a number of black people who specifically seek out mates of a different race do so for reasons mentioned above. Shallow, superficial reason may it be. Some may deny it. Others will lie about. But the fact remains often times this is the scenario. And, consequently, the offspring of these biracial unions take out all their frustrations on those who have no qualm identifying with their black antecedents. However those who fall into this category attack blacks as if blacks made up the caste system or one drop rule. In my personal experiences I come to find out that many biracials never castigate whites whereas they do with blacks. In essence many have the same mentality of whites who think negatively of blacks.

Moreover, I don't see this demographic gravitating toward the black parent which another member stated. I truly don't. My personal opinion, and historical evidence to substantiate my opinion, says just the opposite. The opposite is a buffer class. This buffer class in control of local entrepreneurial economies in many black neighborhoods and black countries where whites currently reside or have been ousted. This percentage will provide a substantial buffer between black and whites regarding land, wealth and resources.

Constructing a buffer simply preserves white privilege. One does not have to take my word for it. Simply look at South Africa, South America or any location where blacks and whites have clashed. Read the Sanskrit if this helps you. Whites need to create a buffer class of mixed raced, loyal individuals who manage black people for them so whites can maintain their social construct of superiority over blacks. They need a group who speaks for them, are SEEN as black by blacks and act like whites toward blacks so that black "rage" is vented at them and not white people.

One does not know history if they don't understand Darwin's natural selection or survival of the fittest ruse - a ruse white people comprehend quite well and practiced for the last several thousand years. But for some unimaginable reason blacks are not astute to this genocidal scheme.

[SistaJosie79]

Originally Posted by Meroe

I often hear black men or black women of the 'colorblind' society who choose to go interracial say 'I can't find a good black a man or black woman who is compatible to my personality'. Or 'black men or black women don't vibe with me very well'. This is nonsense. This is a scripted line I hear from disgruntled people who make excuses for their short-comings in the dating scene - and their self-hatred and insecurities often exacerbates this problem. Honestly, those who repeat this fallacy should take a hard look at themselves rather than critiquing personal or social characteristics of black men and women.

Allow me to be candid here: SOME blacks who choose to go interracial do so not because they found 'love' - or fail to find a desirable mate of the same race who they are compatible with - but do so simply because they have hang-ups about race, class, color and hair.

Moreover, IRR is absolutely *sinful* and *wrong*...

Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked

It's *wrong*..

Period.

Sista Josie has **Spoken!!!!**

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

Moreover, IRR is absolutely *sinful* and *wrong*...

Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked

It's *wrong*..

Period.

Sista Josie has **Spoken!!!!**

Could you please show me exactly where in the Bible it says that interracial relationships are a sin against God?

The specific Bible passage you quote is only partial:

In the Bible 2 Corinthians 6:14 says:

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" (KJV)

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (NIV)

"Do not be teamed with those who do not love the Lord, for what do the people of God have in common with the people of sin? How can light live with darkness?" (LB)

In your philosophy, Sister Josie, if whites and Blacks are inherently unequal due to biological differences in the physical makeup, then where are whites in conjunction with you? Above you, or beneath you? Do you consider whites to be human beings?

I'd also like to point out that slave masters once justified the slavery of African people and Indigenous American people on the basis of Biblical interpretation. Did that make it acceptable?

[MadameX]

Originally Posted by SistaJosie79

Moreover, IRR is absolutely *sinful* and *wrong*...

Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked

It's *wrong*..

Period.

Sista Josie has **Spoken!!!!**

Speak on it Sista Josie. The keyword is evenly yolked. Alot people these days totally forget that .This is in the Bible and is written in the text of the Old Testament. They go against the word and backslide but they will have to answer for it come Judgement Day because all that sinning will catch up with you.

[SchoolofSoul]

Originally Posted by MadameX

Speak on it Sista Josie. The keyword is evenly yolked. Alot people these days totally forget that .This is in the Bible and is written in the text of the Old Testament. They go against the word and backslide but they will have to answer for it come Judgement Day because all that sinning will catch up with you.

Please explain why we have Old And New Testaments?

Since the time of the cross, even now in this Christian age, men live under the law of Christ rather than under the Law of Moses as in the Old Testament times. (John 1:17). Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant (or Law of Moses), nailed it to His cross and ended it there. (Study Luke 24:44 and Col. 2:14). Thus no portion of the Old Testament binds us today; even the 10 commandments have been replaced by better requirements. To illustrate this statement regarding the seventh commandment, where Jesus (during His sermon on the Mount) commanded, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart".

To return to the old law, that is, to bind parts of the old law on Christians is to say that Christ died for nothing (Study Galatians 2:21). It is to be severed from Christ and fall from grace (Galatians 5:4), it is to return to sin and death (Romans 8:2), it is to sink back into perdition (Hebrews 10:39).

Not only that, I just provided the quote where the phrase is used (three different translations, too), and if you know your Bible, you'll find that 2 Corinthians is in the New Testament, not the Old Testament.