Is He Still A Man If He Slaps A Woman? I missed the memo

[charliekilothree]

My father slapped Mom one time too many and ended up wearing fried chicken grease while it was still frying.

[Zorro]

I'm sure that he was good after that. Finger lick'in good I might add.

(I couldn't resist.)

[charliekilothree]

Originally Posted by Zorro

I'm sure that he was good after that. Finger lick'in good I might add.

(I couldn't resist.)

He wasn't in any condition to lick anything. He was in the VA hospital for a couple of months getting skin grafts.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by mariaic

No he has no right to slap her. Her body, her choice, her decision.

Are you saying that in a situation where a woman is making her choice with regard to something that is hers it's not ok, but that there might be an occassion when it is?

Originally Posted by charliekilothree

He wasn't in any condition to lick anything. He was in the VA hospital for a couple of months getting skin grafts.

That statement meant that he was good to her from then on.

[Serenity4Ever]

I don't think that a man should hit a woman either, but let's examine the example that you gave shall we?

Okay girlfriend tells boyfriend that she had an abortion.....

Boyfriend gets angry and slaps her......

Was he justified????........

Well, given the situation, it's obvious that she got an abortion WITHOUT his conscent. I agree that it was her body, but WITHOUT his sperm, there would have been NO BABY to abort. So in that action, the question is WAS SHE JUSTIFIED????

She created a hostile situation with her bofriend by robbing him of something that rightfully BELONGED to HIM........

His BABY DIED because of HER selfishness and ALL SHE got was a hurt cheek????

SHE'S STILL BREATHING (and will continue to breathe long after her cheek stops throbbing); BUT HIS BABY WON'T EVER BREATHE even after his emotional SLAP subsides.......

So After looking a little deeper..... DO YOU STILL THINK SHE WAS JUSTIFIED???

[shankems2000]

Originally Posted by Serenity4Ever

I don't think that a man should hit a woman either, but let's examine the example that you gave shall we?

Okay girlfriend tells boyfriend that she had an abortion.....

Boyfriend gets angry and slaps her......

Was he justified????........

Well, given the situation, it's obvious that she got an abortion WITHOUT his conscent. I agree that it was her body, but WITHOUT his sperm, there would have been NO BABY to abort. So in that action, the question is WAS SHE JUSTIFIED????

She created a hostile situation with her bofriend by robbing him of something that rightfully BELONGED to HIM........

His BABY DIED because of HER selfishness and ALL SHE got was a hurt cheek????

SHE'S STILL BREATHING (and will continue to breathe long after her cheek stops throbbing); BUT HIS BABY WON'T EVER BREATHE even after his emotional SLAP subsides.......

So After looking a little deeper..... DO YOU STILL THINK SHE WAS JUSTIFIED???

Incredible analysis Serenity and also VERY true. :)

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by Serenity4Ever

I don't think that a man should hit a woman either, but let's examine the example that you gave shall we?

Okay girlfriend tells boyfriend that she had an abortion.....

Boyfriend gets angry and slaps her......

Was he justified????........

Well, given the situation, it's obvious that she got an abortion WITHOUT his conscent. I agree that it was her body, but WITHOUT his sperm, there would have been NO BABY to abort. So in that action, the question is WAS SHE JUSTIFIED????

She created a hostile situation with her bofriend by robbing him of something that rightfully BELONGED to HIM........

His BABY DIED because of HER selfishness and ALL SHE got was a hurt cheek????

SHE'S STILL BREATHING (and will continue to breathe long after her cheek stops throbbing); BUT HIS BABY WON'T EVER BREATHE even after his emotional SLAP subsides.......

So After looking a little deeper..... DO YOU STILL THINK SHE WAS JUSTIFIED???

It appears that you are standing on two different opinions. In your opening statement you suggest that a man should not hit a women. Then in your analysis you suggest that if the boyfriend were to slap his girlfriend for taking something that rightfully belonged to him, it's ok. Ok because she, unlike the aborted child, will continue to breathe after the throbbing stops and the emotional slap subsides.

If I understand your line of thought, it seems that you answered the question in the affirmative, in that under the circumstance described, it is justifiable for a man to slap a woman.

Regarding your asking whether the girlfriend was justified in having an abortion, I believe that's a question for a discussion that's good enough to post on its own.

Would you care to review your example a little deeper?

[Serenity4Ever]

Originally Posted by Zorro

It appears that you are standing on two different opinions. In your opening statement you suggest that a man should not hit a women. Then in your analysis you suggest that if the boyfriend were to slap his girlfriend for taking something that rightfully belonged to him, it's ok. Ok because she, unlike the aborted child, will continue to breathe after the throbbing stops and the emotional slap subsides.

If I understand your line of thought, it seems that you answered the question in the affirmative, in that under the circumstance described, it is justifiable for a man to slap a woman.

Regarding your asking whether the girlfriend was justified in having an abortion, I believe that's a question for a discussion that's good enough to post on its own.

Would you care to review your example a little deeper?

Actually the analysis only presents ONE opinion. The SUBTEXT (underlying implication) of my post presents the argument that a man should NOT hit a woman UNLESS SHE does something to him or creates a situation that triggers that type of response. YOU created an example that fell into the latter category. This thread is not really about domestic violence or the "battered woman syndrome". THIS thread is about ONE PARTICULAR MAN who reacted in a PATICULAR WAY as a result of a PARTICULAR SITUATION evoked by one PARTICULAR WOMAN in his life. Your example noted a PARTICULAR incident and asks a PARTICULAR QUESTION: WAS HIS RESPONSE JUSTIFIED? So regardless as to whether or not I think it is right for a man to hit a woman on a general scale and/or the broadest sense of the issue, my thought-process takes the shape of a more NARROW perspective when given a PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE.

Posing the question about the girlfriend's action was my way of shifting the focus and forcing others to examine BOTH sides of the situation. It's easy to say "Yes he was completely wrong for raising his hand to her","He was a punk for hitting her", or "A real man would never hit a woman" without CRITICALLY looking at the ENTIRE sitution--- who was involved, what was it about, where and when did it take place, how were those involved affected, and why did those involved choose to react the way that they did [what was their motive(s)?]. Instead of only seeing what's presented on the surface, people should try diving a little deeper to discover "what lies beneath" on the ocean floor.... cause some issues are not as CLEAR-CUT as they may seem.

I don't believe a man should hit a woman BUT I also understand that certain situations may cause a violent reaction in most men and the scenario given is one I'd place in that category. A friend and I were discussing marriage scenarios not long ago, what if this happened and what we'd do. One of the questions posed was what if you came home and your spouse was in your bed with someone else? My answer was without a doubt 2 people would be going to the hospital, that man and my wife cuz you best believe she getting her *** whooped for some foul ish like that. I'm sorry but vagina or not there are certain lines a person should never cross. Every single person on this earth has a button that can be pushed that will send them over the edge. IMO in instances such as this if a man does react in this manner toward a female he should not be judged for it.

[mandingo]

A man should never hit or slap a woman. If you justify that it's okay under certain circumstances then you have to say it's okay for them all. You can't keep moving the line when you see fit. "You can slap me when I do this, this or this. But not that". It doesn't work like that. A man hitting a woman for any reason is just wrong. A real man walks away or restrains her.